More revelations about Kerry Campaign Skullduggery

[RogueTrooper]

Recording Reveals Kerry Operative Dissing Dean in Campaign Call...

But the Dean campaign said it was under the impression that the call did not represent just one over-zealous volunteer speaking extemporaneously. Rather, the campaign said in the last day it had heard of Kerry campaign calls to at least five other Iowans reading from what it said sounded like a very similar script.

Dean campaign spokesman Jay Carson slammed Kerry for claiming to run a positive campaign while letting others do his dirty work. 

A third Iowan, Dick Alexander, told ABCNEWS he received a phone call about two weeks ago from an organization claiming to be a polling firm unaffiliated with any candidate, in which pro-Kerry and anti-Dean information was conveyed.

From ABC News

This story seems to have legs.

[MaineDem]

1. We'll see...

I expect reporting like this, and worse. Towards every candidate. It's SOP.

[Democrats unite]

2. Yep it has legs...

It's walking right on out of here.

[RogueTrooper]

3. He used push polling to call Dean

a wife-beating abortionist. I should add that there is nothing wrong with doctors performing abortions; just Democrats using the term prejorativly.

I hope this story has legs and I hope those legs walk right up to Kerry and kick him in the ass.

[Democrats unite]

7. It was here yesterday and debunked...

The whole story came out as to what happend. As I said this is walking right on out of here.

[TLM]

8. Wife beating?

where's that from?

[bushisanidiot]

35. Apparently, Some Guy Who Worked For Dean Years Ago Was A Wife

beater, so that must mean Dean beats his wife too.

gawd, are people really that stupid?

what morons.

[Cheswick2.0]

27. I heard they were asking if Judy "Steinberg" was first lady material,

emphasis on the name Steinberg rather than Dean. Now why doesn't this surprise me?

[JVS]

31. interesting

[KaraokeKarlton]

38. I heard that too

and that it was done in a way that implied it would be bad to have a Jewish first lady. I certainly hope that no Democrat would use such an antisemetic attack against a candidate's wife. This is the story I've heard going around that I REALLY want answers for. If any campaign was pulling that kind of shit they should be kicked out of the race, in my opinion.

[Jerseycoa]

36. Link?

I didn't see that in the story.

"a wife-beating abortionist"

[Nazgul35]

14. rather than be dismissive...

wouldnt you like to see the evidence....

After all, they actually have it on film...

A group doing a documentary was filming when one of these calls came in and the woman who took it scolded the caller and asked for a supervisor.....

[library_max]

32. Roaches and other pests traditionally have six./nt

[CMT]

4. well it does deserve to be look into

afterall everything regarding Dean has been looked at with a fine-tooth comb by the corporate media who may well succeed in getting the democrat they want to go up against Bush.

[XanaDUer]

5. Right.

And when Howard Dean was on the covers of those corporate media rags, that was a good thing.

:eyes:

[TLM]

6. What's this I've been hearing about Kerry push polls in Iowa

including shots at Dean wife not being fit for first lady?


Anybody else hearing this?

[Democrats unite]

9. Only from Dean supporters.

eom

[RogueTrooper]

12. Yes

It would seem that it continued after the Kerry campaign fired their "rogue" employee.

[curse10]

13. Nice way to start an unfounded rumor

:eyes:

[RogueTrooper]

18. No starting unfounded rumors

is when you call somebody a wife-beating abortionist. This is just calling that mendacity to account.

[blm]

19. Sorry. Kerry's internal polls showed he KNEW he was ahead.

He didn't have to pull any stunts like this. The Dean camp also knew things were going south. What tricks do you suppose they would play against the Kerry camp to make news?

[curse10]

10. This is old news

And in the same article the Kerry campaign responds, how clever of you to leave it out :eyes:

The Kerry campaign's response was swift.

"The person who made the call is a young volunteer whose remarks were not authorized or condoned by this campaign," Kerry campaign manager Mary Beth Cahill said in a statement. "It's a terrible mistake for a young person to make, and he is apologizing to the person he called. While we appreciate his support, we have asked him to leave the campaign."

[RogueTrooper]

15. But it continue after the you man was given his pink slip

and there is evidence of a strategy rather than a "lose cannon".

[curse10]

20. nice try

I'm really sorry your guy didn't do better in Iowa, but that's no reason to bring up an article that is old and has already been debated on this board. Next you'll be starting a "Kerry is an evil skulls and bones member" thread.

[killbotfactory]

22. Jan 17th is old news?

That's nonsense.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

37. Huh? Four-Day-Old News Is ANCIENT History Right Now

IOWA is old news, people are looking ahead to New Hampshire.

Far from having legs, this story is an amputee.

DTH

[killbotfactory]

I'll keep that in mind.

Nothing past four days ago is fair game, and is "old news".

[DoveTurnedHawk]

42. Well, It's Definitely Old News

But it's also still fair game, as is obvious from the fact that ancient attacks are recycled here against every candidate, time and time again. It's part of the nature of an Internet forum, especially one that places so much weight on "gotcha" politics.

(And I'm certainly not claiming to be immune from that.)

DTH

[Walt Starr]

11. Ouch!

Does anybody know how New Hampshire voters respond to push polling?

[Democrats unite]

17. I don't know I'll have to ask Dean.

eom

[blm]

16. I heard that Dean operatives got into Kerry's campaign to pull stunts like

this. What did you hear?

[killbotfactory]

21. Obviously.

Supporters of other candidates always infiltrate other campaigns to smear the candidate they support.

[Walt Starr]

25. That makes sense, I guess...

:silly:

:hi:

[blm]

34. If they want to hurt the other camp? Yep.

Who knew their numbers were going south?

[progressivebydesign]

40. That post pretty much violates the rules here..

The rules that we agreed to by posting say explicitly, that questions like that.. used to start rumours are forbidden. I can't believe that the moderators haven't pulled it.

[Cheswick2.0]

23. nothing like corrupting the will of the people

Kerry is such an everyman </sarcasm>

[killbotfactory]

24. Well he does ride a Harley!

Nothing says "everyman" like a millionaire riding a Harley.

[TreasonousBastard]

26. Oh No!

Somebody's accused of pulling a dirty trick in a campaign!

Shocked! Shocked that such a thing could happen. Dirty tricks in a campaign are not nice. Nope, not nice at all, and if somebody does that, they're not a nice person. Nosirree!

And I've NEVER, ever, heard of anyone ever stooping so low as a <gasp> PUSH POLL! What fresh hell or horror will they think of next? It's just too monstrous to contemplate.

The world is undoubtedly coming to an end. We should all just kill ourselves now so we won't have to see it.

[killbotfactory]

29. If you support this, support Kerry

But since the candidate I support was called the abortionist wife-beater, I won't.

[TreasonousBastard]

43. Well, gee...

can't think of anyone who actually advocates dirty tricks, but if we were to eliminate every candidate who has someone here or there who pulled one, who would we have left?

T'aint Nixon's Plumbers or voting machines in the Chicago river we're dealing with here.

Push polls suck, but aren't the end of the world. Every so often some asshole tries something like that, and it usually backfires.

Gotta keep perspective.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

28. Shouldn't that be Skull and Bones-Duggery?

I'm sorry.

[Crude-Ho]

30. thats politics....the name of the game is to win...

say anything ...do anything.....just win....

[Karmadillo]

33. "under the impression"!! "had heard of"!! "sounded like"!!

Can't be much more concrete than that. Case closed. I've heard of someone who was under the impression it sounded like this story was going to maybe force Kerry to withdraw from the race.

[progressivebydesign]

39. There is a point to the initial post here..

The point is.. that a woman, who happened to be on film for a documentary, received a push-poll call from a Kerry volunteer or employee. One of the terms he used was "environmental racist". She was so alarmed by the call, that she wrote down every thing that person said, and asked to speak to his supervisor. The camera crew recorded her side of the exchange. The Kerry people said it was an isolated incident of an overzealous volunteer. But.. the point is that the same script was carried out to at least 5 other voters that came forward. If this was something that someone just made up on the spot, why did it continue? That's the point. I don't expect everyone to believe the story, as they support candidates that are running against Dean. But.. I find it sad how many people will jump against Dean, time and again, rather than admit this could and did happen.

[sandnsea]

41. And immediately fired, old, old, old

Keep bashing. Throw it all out there. Keep going until you just wear yourselves out.

[bearfartinthewoods]

44. i head the kerry kids mooned the dean headquarters.

off with their heads </sarcasm>