Bonesman

[Valjean]

Can two Bonesman truly "compete" for the presidency??? Part of the Skull & Bones initiation is allegedly a tell all session while sitting naked in a coffin.

What do the Bonesman know about Jon Kerry that WE DON'T. Can he truly compete at a 100% level. Will the Bonesman pull an extortion card on him in the middle of a presidential race????

I think the other Democratic candidates should get REALLY serious about this. Does the oath of a Bonesman supercede the oath of office? Would Kerry squelch an investigation on a fellow Bonesman because they will spill his darkest secrets if he does????

We should get really serious with this shit. Jon Kerry was asked about being a Bonesman and refused to comment on anything beyond his membership. He simply said those things were "secret".

America has a right to know what is so secret about this bunker of the Eastern Elitist establishment. If it's so innocent, why is it SO SECRET! Why are journalists who investigate this threatened and harrassed. What does one Bonesman owe to one another after they leave Yale????

Finally, this would be an excellent issue to use against Bush in the general election. He likes to spin himself as a folksy Texan. The fact is that he is a scion of a priveleged family. His grandfather got into trouble for helping the Nazi's. Has Bush ever denounced his grandfather in public??? Or is he like Michael Milkin's boy who doesn't this is junk-bond father did anything wrong.

For America's sake, I think we need to know the nature of the Bonesman. What do these men owe to their secret fraternity? Will they sacrifice their oath of office for the oath of a Bonesman????

[trumad]

1. Enough of this crap...

This has been vetted so much here at DU and it's no prob to 99.9 percent of DU'ers... Of course you have those 2 or 3 that continue to harp away at a meaningless college Frat!

[wyldwolf]

3. seconded...

Someone once suggested a forum for conspiracy theories.

I'm beginning to think it would be a good idea.

But DU should only make it viewable for registered members so the casual surfer won't see it.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

47. It's not just the Skull & Bones part ... it's the Russell Trust part

Ignore at your own peril.

[AntiCoup2K4]

16. Meaningless college frat?

I don't seem to recall very many fraternities producing the likes of the Bush Criminal Empire and the CIA.

[Snivi Yllom]

52. more of the same

no thanks..I will stick with Dean.

[Stuckinthebush]

17. Thirded

This is a tired old story.

So Kerry and Bush were in the same freaky fraternity made up of rich kids. Clearly, the rich kids were from families that had influence, so of course, these rich kids would be given prime jobs and money when they graduated. No surprise here.

And, yes, the fraternity had strange initiation rituals involving death. Hell, I had to eat a bug and they said I was going to have to have sex with a goat (the goat thing never happened, btw). It is just silly late adolescence crap.

Now the important stuff:

Will Kerry alienate the world? NO
Will Kerry gut environmental protections? NO
Will Kerry engage in rampant cronyism? NO
Will Kerry destroy progressive programs? NO
Will Kerry give away the farm to his rich buddies? NO
Will Kerry hide 9/11 facts? NO
Will Kerry keep us in Iraq indefinitely? NO
Will Kerry oppose rights for gay couples? NO
Will Kerry open up the Arctic Wildlife Refuge to drilling? NO
Will Kerry allow the NRA and the Christian Coalition into the Oval Office? NO
Will Kerry deplete Social Security? NO
Will Kerry kill Medicare? NO
Will Kerry kill overtime for workers? NO
and on...and on...and on.....

The only thing Bush and Kerry have in common is a stupid frat membership back in the 60s.

Let's fight to get any Dem on the ballot elected.

[DenverDem]

24. Will Kerry

do anything that will substantially change the corporate globalist neo-liberal econominc control so as to give the vast majority of the population of the world a shot at developing a lifestyle that might be sustainable beyond a decade or so from now?

Nope.

[Stuckinthebush]

26. He'll get a hell of a lot closer than Bush

Keep that in mind.

[DenverDem]

34. Kerry will only

delay the inevitable.

Of course, with Bush we will be moving to cultural disaster as fast as possible as the power elite try to become so absurdly wealthy that they think they can survive the energy crash, but not even all of them will survive it.

If you have the guts, see what the experts are saying,

<http://www.peakoil.net/>

We need someone who will tell the truth about this and lead us to a point of sustainablility, if that point even exists anymore.

[wyldwolf]

29. Does the common American voter care about this?

Nope!

[DenverDem]

33. Is the common American voter going to

run headlong into the consequences of this before the next decade?

Yep.

Does living in denial about it help create a sustainable economic and social culture?

Nope.

Beating Bush won't mean anything unless we get a leader that will honestly begin dealing with these issues.

[wyldwolf]

43. Does the common American voter care about this?

nope!

[mb7588a]

35. Fourthed

[Joe the Revelator]

40. Fithed

if this bag of BS is the best you can hit Kerry with then we should just end the primaries now.

[salin]

50. sixthed

:eyes:

[Walt Starr]

2. It's defnitely a legitimate question

They did a History Channel show on Skull & Bones, so concerns over Bonesmen are definitely main stream now.

[reprehensor]

6. Walt...

I wish your vote was not non-transferable. What would a candidate have to say to win your vote?

PM me if you wish.

[Virgil]

It is absolutely legitimate

These guys that say it has been here before could just skip over this. There are many new people that have not read the old discussions.

Why is Kerry so secret about it? The old-timers should be the one that could answer it as the media is obviously not going to answer it. The issue of Skull and Bones is something I would like to hear about and especially why Kerry does not tell how it fits into his life. If I wanted secrecy, I would vote for Bu$h.

[overground1]

25. it is a good question to explore

I don't know enough about it myself.

[Wonk]

32. Google is your friend. I'll help get you started. Welcome to DU, btw.

http://www.google.com/search?q=Skull+Bones+Prescott+Bush
http://www.google.com/search?q=Skull+Bones+Russell+Trust
http://www.google.com/search?q=Skull+Bones+Bush+Kerry
http://www.google.com/search?q=Skull+Bones+Ron+Rosenbaum

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/10/02/60minutes/main576332.shtml

As you can see in this very thread, the standard "debunking" of the significance of this boils down to appeals to ridicule (bringing up Area 51, Atlantis, etc) or claiming that's it's "just another harmless silly frat".
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/appeal-to-ridicule.html

Appeal to consequences of a belief (it's just another harmless silly frat).
X is false because accepting that X is false has positive consequences.
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/appeal-to-consequences.html

If it's really no big deal then why won't Kerry talk about it at all to this day? Oh, right, that "insignificant" little oath he took to Skull & Bones...
http://www.google.com/search?q=Skull+Bones+secrecy+oath

[JI7]

4. this is too funny

"Part of the Skull & Bones initiation is allegedly a tell all session while sitting naked in a coffin."

i don't know whether this is true or not but it's really got me laughing.

[no name no slogan]

5. Or maybe...

they'd all just sit around in their underwear playing cards, smoking cigars and drinking beer, like most frat boys do?

try alt.conspiricies.black.helicopters already. You may get some traction there.

[liberalnurse]

8. Denial is a strong demon.

:scared:

[DenverDem]

36. You are correct, mademoiselle!

But this country was built on denial.

"What Native American genocide?"et al ad nauseum.

[Valjean]

10. Then why not ...

Then why not just say so!!!!!!

I have no ideas what they do. Shit, it could have been a sewing circle.

But I loathe the idea that the oath to Skull & Bones could supersede the presidential oath of office. The other democrats should make Kerry come clean and expose Bones for being whatever it is. If it's truly nothing, there is no harm in telling.

[DemOutWest]

7. The irony

is.... for a "Secret Society" there seems to be a lot of information about it.

[DemOutWest]

9. By the way

when speaking of someone or writing about them, you should spell their name correctly. It's JoHn Kerry, not j-o-n. There is an "h".

I do believe that J-o-n is better though.

Jon Wilson

[reprehensor]

11. One thing to note...

Is that Bonesman are very hooked up. Anthony Sutton's book on Skull and Bones is probably the best expose written so far, because he actually got ahold of a member list.

Some entertaining viddy's here...
http://www.thedossier.ukonline.co.uk/video.htm

[KFC]

12. Here they are!

Kerry is the one in the yellow shirt and tie.

[AntiCoup2K4]

19. You sure about that?

The guy in the middle in the red sweater looks much more like him.

[democracyindanger]

13. The Bonesman Cometh?

[democracyindanger]

14. I am the Bonesman. You are the walrus.

[democracyindanger]

15. It's a bird! It's a plane! It's Bonesman!

[Monte Carlo]

18. Are rhetorical questions sound reasoning?

Hmmm?

[Dookus]

20. OMG!

People know the deep, dark secrets of an 18 year old!

I'm sure Rove will publish a report on Kerry's adolescent masturbatory habits!

[Stuckinthebush]

21. I started to dredge up the deep dark secrets of my own 18 year old past

I couldn't do it.

I think I drank a lot of beer and tried to have sex a lot.

That's all I could recall....and I'm younger than Kerry!

[redqueen]

22. Interesting

I Stole The Head of Prescott Bush!

"My attempt to get further information from the Skull and Bones shell corporation, the Russell Trust Association, resulted in my uncovering a fascinating corporate shell game that led back to the Bay of Pigs. These days any researcher who attempts to track down information from the Russell Trust Association will learn from the corporate filings office of the Connecticut Secretary of State that no such entity exists. This is a bit of a scam. It required some brilliant cross-referencing and close study of the secret Skull and Bones directories on the part of my research associate on this story, Peggy Adler, to discover that the Russell Trust Association changed its name nearly four decades ago and effectively erased its existence from corporate history.

It did so by abolishing itself and then reincorporating itself with the uninformative, anonymous-sounding name "RTA Incorporated." And it chose a very peculiar moment in history to do so. The new papers of reincorporation that erased the century-old Russell Trust Association were filed at 10:15 a.m. on April 14, 1961. Two hours later, at noon on that day, the orders went out to begin the Bay of Pigs operations–the covert C.I.A.-financed invasion of Castro’s Cuba, a bloody fiasco that still haunts us four decades later.

Coincidence? Probably. But then it’s also true that one of the C.I.A.’s masterminds for the Bay of Pigs was a man named Richard Drain, Skull and Bones ’43. And the White House planner of the Bay of Pigs operation was McGeorge Bundy, Skull and Bones ’40. And the State Department liaison for the Bay of Pigs operation was his brother William P. Bundy, Skull and Bones ’39. And the man who filed the reincorporation papers that erased the Russell Trust Association from existence on the day of the Bay of Pigs was Howard Weaver, Skull and Bones ’45W (George Bush’s class), who retired from the C.I.A. in 1959. All of which might lead one to suspect that the Skull and Bones corporate shell had been used as a clandestine conduit of funds for the Bay of Pigs, and then erased from existence to cover up the connection as the invasion got underway.

Still, once again, it’s not any covert connection between Skull and Bones and the Bay of Pigs that’s so shocking and revealing, it’s the overt connection: Whether or not they used the Russell Trust Association as a pipeline, the fact that all these Skull and Bones geniuses devised such a patently idiotic plan in the first place is the scandal. Brave men died because of their elitist secret-society mentality. And then they went on to give us Vietnam. It makes you fear for the future of our country if George W. turns to these types for advice."


No, I don't think I take this lightly.

[redqueen]

23. Kick n/t

[Valjean]

27. Thank You

Thank you Red Queen.

Everyone should take this whole Skull & Bones issue VERY seriously. The deal with the Nazi shrine may very well be the most interesting considering Prescott Bush's notorious past.

John Kerry needs to fess up and reveal EXACTLY what goes on in the Tomb. What oath he has taken. And most importantly, who's skulls those are. Which skull did Kerry's class steal from some grave.

I assume that I need not speculate on what religious officials think of grave robbers.

If not, the other Democratic candidates should LET HIM HAVE IT. Come clean Kerry!!!!!!

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

49. kick!

We had a revolution to get rid of these kinds of people you know.

"Presidents such as William Howard Taft and George Bush; Supreme Court Justices such as Potter Stewart; Secretaries of State such as Henry Stimson; diplomatic mandarins such as Averell Harriman and Robert Lovett; National Security advisers (and Bay of Pigs planners and Vietnam war architects) such as William and McGeorge Bundy; Senators such as Cooper, Chafee, Boren and Kerry, to name just a few; publishing magnates with names like Luce and Cowles; C.I.A. recruits William F. Buckley and William Sloane Coffin. "

[Dr Fate]

28. Kerry needs to come clean on Area 51 too...

AND Atlantis. Illuminati? Masons? "Aliens"? SHRINERS???????

Did he REALLY sleep in a coffin with a red ribbon tied to his genitals??

Vietnam record: FAKED by "the brotherhood????"

Did Kerry "ride the goat"???

I WANT TO KNOW!

[JI7]

30. hahahah

i'm not sure about other kerry supporters but personally i find the whole skull and bones thing amusing. especially reading about the "secret" things they do such as sitting naked in coffins and telling all.

[sangha]

48. What we really need to look into

is why Kerry supports increased penalties for terrorist crimes!! I just read in another thread that it's un-american to support increased penalties for terrorism.

[molly]

31. I really needed a laugh - thanks!

your humor is right on! :toast:

[adadem]

37. this is like the fourth dupe on this subject

[JI7]

38. only the fourth ?

i'm not sure when you came on du. but some months back there were like at least 10 threads about this every single day for a while. i actually kind of like it since we all need to laugh at times.

[snoochie]

39. Not something to be brushed off

Thanks to wonk and redqueen for not treating the rest of us like kindergardeners.


Suck it up, Kerry and supporters, it's your turn under the microscope.

Skull and Bones members (from the New York Observer link above):

"Presidents such as William Howard Taft and George Bush; Supreme Court Justices such as Potter Stewart; Secretaries of State such as Henry Stimson; diplomatic mandarins such as Averell Harriman and Robert Lovett; National Security advisers (and Bay of Pigs planners and Vietnam war architects) such as William and McGeorge Bundy; Senators such as Cooper, Chafee, Boren and Kerry, to name just a few; publishing magnates with names like Luce and Cowles; C.I.A. recruits William F. Buckley and William Sloane Coffin."

[GalleryGod]

41. 'Tis I ! Inspector Jauvert!

:argh:
:hangover: :pals:

[Valjean]

45. Oh no

Oh no.

I must run now, change my name and adopt an orphan child.

;-)

Stay away from Paris!!!!!!

[Loren645]

42. Not just a frat; an elite blueblood group that us folk only read about

One place to read about it, in great detail, is in American Dynasty,
by Kevin Phillips.

"Beginning with The Emerging Republican Majority in 1969, he has published a total of eleven books: Mediacracy: American Parties and Politics in the Communications Age (1974), Post-Conservative America (1982), Staying on Top: The Business Case for a National Industrial Strategy (1984), The Politics of Rich and Poor: Wealth and Electorate in the Reagan Aftermath (1990), Boiling Point: Democrats, Republicans and the Decline of Middle Class Prosperity (1993), Arrogant Capital: Washington, Wall Street and the Frustration of American Politics (1994), The Cousins’ Wars: Religion, Politics and the Triumph of Anglo-America (1999), Wealth and Democracy: A Political History of the American Rich (2002), William McKinley (2003) and American Dynasty: Aristocracy, Fortune and the Politics of Deceit in the House of Bush (January 2004).

Phillips, 63, now lives in Litchfield County, Connecticut, with his wife Martha. He is a commentator for NPR and the Los Angeles Times, and occasionally writes for Time and Harper’s. He did not support either George H.W. Bush in the 1988 and 1992 presidential elections or George W. Bush in 2000. In 2002, he re-registered in Connecticut as a political independent."

http://www.americandynasty.net/excerpts.htm

"At Yale, ìthe most legendary of all college clubs was Skull and Bones. To be tapped by Bones in that era was akin to canonization....The clocks were set five minutes fast to symbolize that Bonesmen started life a leg up.

...That was the elite....I always had it in mind, even to this day, that I was not really a part of that. That three generations of Bushes have been ìpart of thatî is central to the familyís ascent.
...
Friend and foe alike have tied success at the network's schools to three essential underpinnings: good family, good attitude (loyalty to the school and to oneís peers), and good skill at sports. Rough edges made for a poor fit. Prescott Bush (St. Georgeís 1913, Yale 1917, Skull and Bones) and George H. W. Bush (Andover 1942, Yale 1948, Skull and Bones) fit well, thereby unfolding a kind of red carpet on which they could later walk comfortably through the upper echelons of American life."

[foo_bar]

44. Dean should come clean on that Hippocratic Oath

Do Apollo and Aesclepius supercede the oath of office? Isn't the caduceus a famous Masonic symbol? I want answers dammit.

[zulchzulu]

46. It's time to build your secret underground tunnel to escape...

...the Black helicopters...

[sleipnir]

51. Bonesman vs Bonesman is exactly what THEY want

Sorry, but it's true, the ultimate "do you want the Bonesman on the right or the Bonesman on the left?" In the end, the elitist illuminati are still in power and the people are left in the dark.