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denverbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 04:26 PM
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When will the DLC start ripping Kerry?
God it seems like only yesterday that those closet freepers at the DLC were ripping Dean as an ultra-left liberal who would be the next McGovern. And I think virtually all of us know that Kerry is probably more liberal than Dean.

Al From and Bruce Reed must be positively frothing over at the prospect of a Kerry or even a Clark nomination.
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 04:28 PM
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1. Baseless speculation
designed to promote an attack, and not a request for information.
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jmaier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 04:29 PM
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2. Now I'm really confused
I thought Kerry, Clark & Edwards were the 'DLC' candidates? It's very hard to keep the rhetorical playbook updated. Here is an interesting notion, the DLC would like a Democrat to WIN. Different tactics than some of us might prefer but the same goal.

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Zolok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 04:34 PM
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3. The same likewise...
Last I heard Kerry was unacceptable because he was the DLC's candidate, a bonesman, a windsurfer....a fan of the "Blues Brothers" movie...
A veritable Nuremburg cataract of unanswered accusations...
:)
I can't keep up either so don't worry.


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denverbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 04:36 PM
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4. They are.
http://www.ndol.org/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=131&subid=192&contentid=252334

Now the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party has spoken: Iowa was a landslide victory for hope over anger.
<snip>

The word "stunning" hardly does service to the performance of Kerry and Edwards in Iowa. Up against all of Howard Dean's endorsements and organization, Kerry and Edwards each won more delegate shares (the arcane measurement used to judge success in Iowa) than Dean and Rep. Dick Gephardt combined.

Kerry's victory and Edwards's strong second weren't just stirring comebacks for those two campaigns. They represent an inspiring comeback for the Democratic Party.

<snip>
While Dean defined himself as everything Bush is not, Kerry and Edwards set their own course for the country. They supported the war against Saddam Hussein and refused to raise taxes on the middle class and those who aspire to join its ranks. But they also pledged muscular internationalism to unite the world against terror, a return to fiscal discipline and Clintonomics, bold plans to expand opportunity for the forgotten middle class, and a challenge to Americans to give something back through national service.

Indeed, the Iowa results represent a vindication for the Blair Democrats who supported the war in Iraq. Even Democrats with serious doubts about Iraq want America to succeed there, and want a nominee who can pass the test as Commander in Chief.

Dick Gephardt's fourth-place finish appears to have finished his campaign, but he will leave the center stage as he entered it: as a class act. He, too, sought to give Democrats an ideas primary instead of an anger primary. And his steadfast refusal to backtrack on his support for the war in Iraq, at great peril to his candidacy, will be remembered as a profile in courage long after this nomination contest is forgotten.

Now the race moves onto New Hampshire, where two other impressive New Democrats -- Sen. Joe Lieberman and Gen. Wesley Clark -- will have their chance as well. Money and region still make Dean the favorite. But Iowa wasn't just a poor finish for Dean; the results undermine the central premises that have fueled his campaign up until now. Democrats desperately want to beat George Bush, and want a nominee who will expand the party's appeal, not limit its reach. Voters want a positive vision, not just a negative one. Candidates with an optimistic vision do more to bring new voters to the polls than candidates without one.

In fact, Kerry and Edwards generated so much excitement among rank-and-file Democrats that the Iowa caucuses turned into a virtual primary. We still prefer open primaries to caucuses, but this year, longtime New Democrat Gov. Tom Vilsack was right about Iowa, and Dean and the DLC were wrong: The people voted, and not the special interests.

Democrats and independents should rejoice: It's a wide open race now, with several viable candidates, plenty of time for Democrats to hear their views, and a powerful endorsement for the politics of hope.


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markus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 04:56 PM
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16. They're only really intereted in preserving their influence
Kerry isn't threatening to them in the way Dean was.

What they really fear is a backlash inside the party or Congress that would marginalize them.

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CMT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 04:37 PM
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5. they won't
Funny, Kerry is from the New England and from Massachusetts to boot (Taxachusetts the GOP likes to call them) yet he is one of the club so he will get a pass.
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 04:40 PM
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6. Kerry is DLC....why would they rip at him?
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denverbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 04:52 PM
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14. Sorry liberalnurse. I was being facetious.
I just find it a tad bit odd that the DLC has been ripping Dean for over 6 months now as an out-of-touch elitist liberal, but don't bother bashing the others, even when they tout their more liberal credentials.

The DLC is nothing but a money-grubbing, corporate whoring, group of Republican wannabees, who are bound and determined to make sure that no progressive ideas ever have a chance again in America. God forbid we 'activists' defeat NAFTA, exporting jobs, privatization of public utilities and government services, or any other Bush-lite agenda.
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overground1 Donating Member (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 04:52 PM
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15. true, as are Clark and Edwards n/t
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Democrats unite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 04:44 PM
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7. The DLC can live with...
Any of our cadidates But Dean, Thats why I am a card carrying financial backing DLC supporter.
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denverbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 04:46 PM
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8. And that's why Gore lost in 2000.
And why Kerry, Clark, and Edwards will lose in the biggest landslide in US history.
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Democrats unite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 04:51 PM
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13. Becareful of what you wish for...
He's backing your candidate.
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polpilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 08:03 PM
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17. It's so clear. They'll poll short of 42% and be crushed. And why?
Because the average voter sees little difference in them and Bush, Jr.

And why is that? Can't answer or my post will be deleted.

Dean '04...
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DenverDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 04:48 PM
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9. Democrats unite
for politricks as usual!!
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DenverDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 04:50 PM
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10. Weird synchronistic posting
I am neither a Deaniac nor denverbill.

But "howdy" db!
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Democrats unite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 04:51 PM
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12. With the slams that the DLC takes here...
Which I happen to like...
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flaminbats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 04:50 PM
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11. There are just a few individuals the DLC never dumps on...
Zell Miller, John Breaux, Ben Nelson, Evan Bayh, and Joe Lieberman.

Anyone else is fair game, those snotty socialists!
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