Bush Policy Working?

[erpowers]

What do DUers think about the people who are saying that maybe the Bush plan is working in that people are protesting in the Middle East? I think these people are wrong. I contend that these same people who are protesting now have been protesting before. In addition, some of these countries have and will have election, but what are these elections for and how much freedom do these elections give these people. Finally, I contend that these protests were not sparked by the elections in Iraq. They were sparked by other events and yes these people would have protested the events that happened in their countries even if that elections in Iraq did not happen.

[GiovanniC]

1. I Got Out of Bed This Morning

Twenty minutes later, the sun came up.

Therefore, I caused the sun to come up.

This logical fallacy is Bush's foreign policy in a nutshell.

[sendero]

2. Basically...

... the Bush** supporters claim anything positive that happens as a result of their actions when there is no connection whatsoever.

At the same time, they deflect blame for negative situations that are a direct consequence of their actions.

They are shameless.

[shoelace414]

3. It's working if...

you like havign Pakistan selling nuke technology to anyone.

you like North Korea just making as many nukes as they want as fast as they want.

oh yea.. and the middle east, where they don't have nukes yet is becoming de-stabilized.

hmm.. maybe he is trying to restart up the crusades..

[smoogatz]

4. Protests in Lebanon don't mean squat.

Lebanon still has no strong central government--it's basically s Syrian client state. Egypt and Saudi Arabia are paying obligatory lip service to "free-er" elections, but they're unlikely to do anything that jeopardizes the existing power structure. The Palestinian election followed the still unexplained death of Arafat, which looks more and more like a political assassination. The Iraqi election was apparently cooked by Allawi's goons and the US to water down the Shia majority (remember the three day "delay" in the vote counting?). Iraq's government is, surprise surprise, serially guilty of the same kinds of human rights violations committed by Saddam, and by American and British occupiers. So far, I'd say Bush's record of spreading Democracy in the middle east amounts to bluster and posturing at best, vote-rigging, torture and assassination at worst.

[evilqueen]

5. tell ya what...

I don't see no jeebus here yet, monkeyboy ain't walked on water, and just because we don't see the protestors doesn't mean they aren't out there... after all, in 2003 there were the largest anti-war protests EVER IN MANKIND'S HISTORY and we didn't see that on TV either... but it did inDEED happen.

:)

[LiberalEsto]

6. People over there are still infuriated with the U.S.

Just because our media is delivering the Misadministration's spin that things are "working" there doesn't mean it's true.
There are still car bombings, oil lines are still being destroyed, and
our media is playing these things down to give the illusion of better conditions in Iraq.

[Toots]

7. Women in Iraq used to be the most free of any mid eastern country

Not any more thanks to Bush* policy. Iraq used to be a Secular nation, not any more thanks to Bush*. Policy working??? Hell we can't even confiscate their oil properly.....

[LiberalEsto]

8. And the photos of Iraqi women

show them covered up in burkas nowadays. That wasn't the case before our insane invasion.

[leftofthedial]

9. when did people in the Middle East NOT protest

they have protested in most countries of the ME frequently forever.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

10. The pro-democracy forces are the same ones we undermined.

In Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, Palestine, Iraq, Iran, and all over the middle east, in our hunger for oil.