Ridiculous. More fake studies to justify the vote

[2diagnosis]

Kerry is Catholic!
This study from these guys- "Those are just a few of the insights to be gleaned from the Fourth National Survey of Religion and Politics, a project of the University of Akron that was underwritten by the Pew Charitable Trusts and the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life .."

"Among all evangelical Protestants, 78 percent voted for Bush, while 50 percent of all mainline Protestants voted for Bush. But among Hispanic Protestants, Bush garnered an amazing 63 percent of the vote. That’s 26 percentage points higher than the Republican Party identification (merely 37 percent) in that category. So Hispanics Protestants responded to the electoral choice more like Protestants than like Hispanics. Religion trumped ethnicity.

The same pattern was generally true for Hispanic Catholics. Although only 15 percent of Hispanic Catholics are Republican, 31 percent of them voted for Bush, doubling the GOP base." ...
http://www.thehill.com/thehill/export/TheHill/Comment/Pollsters/DavidHill/030905.html
"By breaking out non-Hispanic Catholics into a separate category, it is clear that Democrats are in more trouble with Catholics than some have suspected. Overall, 41 percent of non-Hispanic Catholics are Republicans and 44 are Democrats. But on Election Day, Bush beat Kerry 53 to 47 percent among those voters, doubtless picking up the lion’s share of independent white Catholics.

As we saw with Hispanics, Bush’s success among non-Hispanic Catholics derives from more than social issues. Only 39 percent of the non-Hispanic Catholic category described abortion and gay marriage as “very important” and just 19 percent said those social issues are more important than foreign policy or economic issues. So the appeal of Bush and Republicans to non-Hispanic Catholics, as well as to Hispanics, is broader and deeper than many have speculated." ..

[blm]

1. The media keeps repeating that people who care about values vote for Bush.

They have been pounding that meme for 6 years now.

That shorthand version of the entire issue is what most people have been fed by the GOPcontrolled media.

Unfortunately most of the public has no idea they are being spun and indoctrinated by the rightwing propagandists in the media. Regular folks tend to trust what they hear every day from the so-called "news" networks.

[liberal N proud]

3. bu$h has no values

That is were the media fails.
The are talking about nonexistent values.

[2diagnosis]

10. media may be failing, but Hispanics are being

targeted for major propaganda.

[BL611]

2. Why do say its ridiculous?

Something has to justify the vote, do you have any info that this would discredit this?

[Mairead]

5. Because it presumes the official numbers describe reality

Whereas we know from a number of credible sources--the lead one being Steve Freeman's excellent peer-reviewed analysis--that those official results are not credible. The anomalies they display cannot be explained in terms of random or methodological error, and Mitofsky's attempt at exculpatory 'explanation' is contradicted by his own data.

[BL611]

7. OK

So if this is not credible why do YOU think Democrats lose elections?

[Mairead]

12. "why do YOU think Democrats lose elections?"

You're assuming your conclusion. You haven't demonstrated yet that the 'losses' have been real/legitimate. I'm sure some have been, but, as Freeman et al. have shown, others (e.g. Bush's 'win') have not been.

[2diagnosis]

6. If this is true, we need a strategy of getting people

to put religion out of the voting booth.

[BL611]

8. I find that a reasonable assesment....

Far better then just calling something ridiculous because it is unpleasing.

[2diagnosis]

9. Thanks, your validation is important to me. nt

[Igel]

4. Get the undigested version here:

http://pewforum.org/docs/index.php?DocID=64 It's pdfed.

You can get the exact same thing from the Bliss Institute, which conducted the survey.
http://www.uakron.edu/bliss/research.php

Error is +/- 2% overall, but has to be higher for many subcategories.

[tritsofme]

11. Yep, Pew is on the giant conspiracy too!

Is that a black helicopter I see over there?