This nurse on CNN is going nuts on Schiavo (Micheal)

[Atman]

Wow...this will get played LOTS today, unless they dismiss her as a psycho!

On Edit...Okay, it's over already. I didn't think it would be significant, until it dragged on. CNN has dredged up a woman who claims to be a nurse who cared for Terri Schiavo in 1995. She says there are videotapes (again, from 1995 -- Hemmer never mentioned the ten years which have passed, and the possibility that her condition might have deteriorated since then) that show Shiavo could talk and respond to them, but that the courts put a gag order on "any positive news" about Terri Shiavo. She claime Michael would come to the nurses station and threaten them and ask "when is that b-i-t-c-h (yes, she spelled it out) going to die?" Then she went on to say she had called the police because of suspicious track marks on Terri's arm, and all but accused Michael of attempting to kill her. It was weird, man!

[Bunny]

1. Would you mind telling us a little about what she is actually saying?

[JI7]

8. trashing Michael Shiavo

saying that Michael called would call Terri a bitch and wanting to know when she will die and that he only cared about her looks and wanted makeup on her . and some other crap about how he would shut the door when he was with Terri so others couldn't see.

Bill Hemmer kept bringing up the fact that investigations have shown no evidence of her claims and she said there is some gag order which is put in place in order to help Michael and prevent the evidence from being seen.

she came across really bad though.

[pbartch]

48. CNN is showing the interview now. She says husband THREATENED her

directly. She says she told the police. She says that husband took out papers from the patients file and told other nurses not TO FOLLOW THE DOCTOR'S orders.....but to follow his.

She was asked why she didn't say anything THEN.....why is she doing it now and she replyed.....it will take just a little bit of therapy for her to impove.

CNN reporter said they have called Michael Shiavo's attorney. We will hear more.

I say....the nurse is lying big-time.

[gasperc]

53. uh lying isn't beneath them, even in God's name

they are consumed with something

[DesEtoiles]

2. CNN has really jumped the shark with this crazy woman

[JI7]

3. she comes across as hard to believe

[rodeodance]

7. she was on Fox earlier saying Terri could swallow, and has said a

few words. The nurse (? aide) did seem a bit frantic on this show--but she was being egged on by a Fox talk show host. I had to change channesls--it was too much for me.

[JI7]

12. yeah, she claimed Terri could talk and would say "mommy" and "pain"

very hard to believe especially with her accusation that a gag order was put in place to prevent evidence of what she is saying from being seen in order to help Michael.

[mimitabby]

59. if she could swallow, why don't they just feed her sans tube?

if she can swallow, she doesn't need a feeding tube!

[drdon326]

4. Seemed legit to me.

She was very believeable.

[DesEtoiles]

6. Yeah - especially her vast anit-Terri conspiracy/gag order claims

[rodeodance]

11. well, I wonder what the gag order was about? as she was chatting on Fox

Wonder if there is a transcript?

[Atman]

13. You're joking, right?

There is a gag order prohibiting any "positive" news about Terry? COME ON!

[thebigidea]

23. from the Bill Frist school of instant video diagnosis.

[salin]

30. Is she the one whose "affidavit"

was thrown out as inadmissable? The charges sound the same. For some reason the court didn't find her statements believable. Did they report that on the news?

[Azathoth]

5. What did she say?? n/t

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

49. She said Michael Schiavo would destroy his wife's progress reports

The nurse alleged that she was helping to treat Terry Schiavo and that she was improving (back in 1996). She said that Terry Schiavo was eating throughout her mouth, things like pudding and taking food from a baby bottle. She also says that she was able to speak, such as saying the word "pain" (although she says she had trouble pronouncing the letter "n"). The nurse alleged that she kept a running paper record of Terry's daily progress and that Michael would come into his wife's room and remove the progress reports. She says the hospital said they would take care of the problem but that they did nothing. She also said Michael called his wife a bitch ("when's that bitch going to die").

However, this nurse was fired by the hospital in 1996. She says she was fired over her improper manner in the treatment of Terry Schiavo. Before believing this nurse's story, it might be important to know the exact circumstances under which she was fired.

[Blue_In_AK]

58. Terri Schiavo is a Rorschach inkblot test...

...people see (and hear) what they want to. All of this stuff about her smiling and talking, whatever, reminds me of parents of newborns saying, "Oh, look, how cute. She's smiling," when in reality the baby is merely responding to some internal cue, a little gas in the tummy or some involuntary little facial twitch.

[DenverDem]

9. She has been exposed as a fraud before.

CNN is absurdly out of control.

[drdon326]

10. See this !!! Carla Iyer AFFIDAVIT

Terri’s medical condition was systematically distorted and misrepresented. When I worked with her, she was alert and oriented. Terri spoke on a regular basis while in my presence, saying such things as “mommy,” and “help me.” “Help me” was, in fact, one of her most frequent utterances. I heard her say it hundreds of times. Terri would try to say the word “pain” when she was in discomfort, but it came out more like “pay.” She didn’t say the “n” sound very well. During her menses she would indicate her discomfort by saying “pay” and moving her arms toward her lower abdominal area. Other ways that she would indicate that she was in pain included pursing her lips, grimacing, thrashing in bed, curling her toes or moving her legs around. She would let you know when she had a bowel movement by flipping up the covers and pulling on her diaper.

8. When I came into her room and said “Hi, Terri”, she would always recognize my voice and her name, and would turn her head all the way toward me, saying “Haaaiiiii” sort of, as she did. I recognized this as a “hi”, which is very close to what it sounded like, the whole sound being only a second or two long. When I told her humorous stories about my life or something I read in the paper, Terri would chuckle, sometimes more a giggle or laugh. She would move her whole body, upper and lower. Her legs would sometimes be off the bed, and need to be repositioned. I made numerous entries into the nursing notes in her chart, stating verbatim what she said and her various behaviors, but by my next on-duty shift, the notes would be deleted from her chart. Every time I made a positive entry about any responsiveness of Terri’s, someone would remove it after my shift ended. Michael always demanded to see her chart as soon as he arrived, and would take it in her room with him. I documented Terri’s rehab potential well, writing whole pages about Terri’s responsiveness, but they would always be deleted by the next time I saw her chart. The reason I wrote so much was that everybody else seemed to be afraid to make positive entries for fear of their jobs, but I felt very strongly that a nurses job was to accurately record everything we see and hear that bears on a patients condition and their family. I upheld the Nurses Practice Act, and if it cost me my job, I was willing to accept that.

9. Throughout my time at Palm Gardens, Michael Schiavo was focused on Terri’s death. Michael would say “When is she going to die?,” “Has she died yet?” and “When is that bitch gonna die?” These statements were common knowledge at Palm Gardens, as he would make them casually in passing, without regard even for who he was talking to, as long as it was a staff member. Other statements which I recall him making include “Can’t you do anything to accelerate her death - won’t she ever die?” When she wouldn’t die, Michael would be furious. Michael was also adamant that the family should not be given information. He made numerous statements such as “Make sure the parents aren’t contacted.” I recorded Michael’s statements word for word in Terri’s chart, but these entries were also deleted after the end of my shift. Standing orders were that the family wasn’t to be contacted, in fact, there was a large sign in the front of her chart that said under no circumstances was her family to be called, call Michael immediately, but I would call them, anyway, because I thought they should know about their daughter.

10. Any time Terri would be sick, like with a UTI or fluid buildup in her lungs, colds, pneumonia, Michael would be visibly excited, thrilled even, hoping that she would die. He would call me, as I was the nurse supervisor on the floor, and ask for every little detail about her temperature, blood pressure, etc., and would call back frequently asking if she was dead yet. He would blurt out “I’m going to be rich!,” and would talk about all the things he would buy when Terri died, which included a new car, a new boat, and going to Europe, among other things.

http://www.terrisfight.org/documents/CIyerAffidavit090203.htm

[rodeodance]

19. that is a save Terri website--guess I do not put much credence in it.

Excerpts of this nurses testimony have been in print for a while now--but I am surprized that both CNN and FOX actually are interviewing her now.

[Cooley Hurd]

20. *yawn*

It's pretty plain this woman has an agneda, not to mention the affidavit you're citing has been debunked (i.e. no notary stamp, etc...)

And why hasn't ANY OTHER employee come forward to substantiate her claims? :shrug::eyes:

[Stand and Fight]

21. Sigh... What nonsense...

This has been up on her parent's website all this time -- why don't they post a PDF of the actual affidavit? This woman is full of shit.

[Atman]

25. Oh, yeah...this sounds like a woman who wants to live forever...

"Terri spoke on a regular basis while in my presence, saying such things as “mommy,” and “help me.” “Help me” was, in fact, one of her most frequent utterances. I heard her say it hundreds of times. Terri would try to say the word “pain” when she was in discomfort, but it came out more like “pay.” She didn’t say the “n” sound very well. During her menses she would indicate her discomfort by saying “pay” and moving her arms toward her lower abdominal area. Other ways that she would indicate that she was in pain included pursing her lips, grimacing, thrashing in bed, curling her toes or moving her legs around. She would let you know when she had a bowel movement by flipping up the covers and pulling on her diaper."

Good grief. And this was ten years ago. I can't believe how this woman is interpreting all this as being positive indicators that Schiavo wanted to live. Crying "pain" and "help me" hundreds of times means "I love being a vegetable!" to these people. JESUS!

[springhill]

34. Maybe the help me..............

was please let me die; I don't want to live like this.

[asjr]

27. This woman sounds as if she has the

right wing script down pat.

[Clark2008]

37. And this was thrown out of court

Janx knows more about it than I do - but, apparently, the judge found this not credible based on doctor testimony that Terri has NO CEREBRAL CORTEX and cannot talk.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

39. Good, let's put her under oath and see if she sticks to it

[AntiCoup2K4]

45. An "affidavit" without a signature or notarization

is a useless piece of paper with no legal standing whatsoever.

[CoffeeCat]

56. Was this "evidence" from this "nurse" ever presented at trial?

I've never heard of this woman.

I'm sure, if her claims were true--there would be untold scores of doctors, nurses and aids who could validate these claims.

This "nurse" is saying that Michael pretty much roamed the halls wishing that Terri would die.

In this "affidavit" she says that this was common knowledge around the staff. If so, where are others to corroborate her claims?

This woman sounds crazy.

[President Jesus]

14. What a surprise that Hemmer is the tool 'interviewing' her

Schiavo should sue over this interview. This woman is outright slandering him.

[DesEtoiles]

15. next she'll b be saying Terri was the hospital chess champion

[Stand and Fight]

16. Oh Jeeebus....

I wonder how many of the right-wing freeptards I work with are going to be quoting this bat-shit crazy lunatic in the next couple of days... I live in one of the most conservative right-wing bible-belt "Bush is God" sections of Oklahoma, so you can imagine...

[underpants]

17. As alarming-Randall Terry is now a spokesman for the Schindler family

He was on Scarborough country last night.

Randall Terry?

http://mediamatters.org/items/200503220001

[rodeodance]

26. I listened a bit to Joe S. show last night. Pat Buchanan was comparing

the case to Hitlers regime--as doing what we want to people. It was horrible.

[sandnsea]

51. I told you guys

I wrote on this overnight. A handful of right wing theocrats pushing a handful of Congressman to usurp the Constitution. They are few, but highly organized and always there to repeat the talking points and back each other up on everything.

http://www.lightupthedarkness.org/blog/default.asp?view=plink&id=600

[AntiCoup2K4]

55. Terri Schiavo has more functional grey matter than Randall Terry.

Hell, even the Chimp might be smarter than that fuckwit.

[Ganja Ninja]

18. She is a psycho.

She's done this before. These right wing wack jobs have to attack Michael Schiavo because they don't have a medical case. The doctors and her court appointed guardian (who is also a doctor) are all in agreement. The case has been litigated for 7 years and the courts agree. This woman is a nurse and all she can offer is a scathing personal attack on Mr Schiavo as a reason to keep Terri Schiavo alive.

[rodeodance]

22. 9,760 for Carla Iyer Goggle search (I won't bother)

[kevinmc]

24. Another Case of Lying for Christ.................

Here is all the documents on this case, which show she is lying. I would bet she is a fundi-plant doing the new tactic of Lying for Christ.

http://news.findlaw.com/legalnews/lit/schiavo/index.html

[Bleacher Creature]

28. Must have missed that day in law school

When they discussed gag orders on any positive information for one side. And by the way, a gag order is not the same as excluding evidence at trial.

This woman is not credible.

[Supersedeas]

41. your finger right on the key to her statement--too bad Hemmer did not pay

as much attention in journalism school.

[Ruffhowse]

29. Pat Boone was on cable news last night making allegations and

insinuations that Michael Schiavo was somehow responsible for Terri's condition through some kind of abuse and that the reason he wanted her to die was so she wouldn't wake up and tell what he had done to her. Just incredible how these crazed fundies will outright lie, all for the glory of Jesus. They are NOT true Christians.

[rodeodance]

32. I like his voice not his thoughts/talk

[sandnsea]

54. Where's the bulemia information?

A jury found that bulemia was her cause of death, they wouldn't have awarded malpractice money if that hadn't been the case. It is just insane that stuff made up out of thin air can be thought to be the facts more readily than the actual facts themselves. How the hell do you argue that the malpractice money is what Michael's after, then ignore the cause of death in the very same case.

[Emboldened Chimp]

61. A simple question: what the fuck does Pat Boone have to do with this?

[Ruffhowse]

66. Beats me. You know how the main stream media loves to roll

out token right wing religious wackos during these contentious issues. Makes for good infotainment I guess.

[OneTwentyoNine]

71. Once again,when is Schiavo going to sue the shit out of SOMEONE??

These crazed Jesus fucks think they can go on nationwide TV and call someone a murderer,abuser,killer,thief etc...without ANY ramifications.

I'd file at least a half dozen slander suits tomorrow,his attorney needs to stop this kind of SHIT NOW....

[The Flaming Red Head]

31. How unprofessional and unethical

I would never, ever talk about a patient who had been in my care.

[bmbmd]

35. Sounds like a Hippa violation to me.

Helath care workers are prohibited from discussing patient information with anyone without explicit consent.

[quaoar]

33. CNN should be ashamed of itself

for putting on that nurse. Bill Hemmer told her a couple times that her allegations were found to be untrue and she gave the answer about the gag order that was suppressing the "evidence." It shows an incredible lack of news judgment to put on a person whose claims have been investigated and dismissed and to do so without any rebuttal from another source.

CNN did interview an expert before the crazy nurse, a guy who had been appointed by Jeb Bush to investigate the case. He said he found it remarkable that in 15 years Terri Schiavo had never had a single bed sore -- indicating that she had received excellent care.

[MsMagnificent]

36. Why is she lying?

It all sounds very credible -- and if this woman has that level of consciousness then IMO there should be no question if she should live or not.

Are we just knee-jerking a response because it is opposite to the hypocrisy of the Reprobates? Don't worry, their hypocrisy can deal with and expose it's own self.

Let the Reprobates use this poor woman as a political tool, we don't need to butt in too. It looks VERY bad us cheering on the death of a woman, especially one not in our own family.

We should just stay out of it.

[Tinoire]

42. Thank you. I've been too disgusted at the knee-jerk responses

on such a serious matter to post lately.

This is NONE of our god-damn business. It's a matter between the parents and a husband who seems to want to "move on". It's also a matter between the insured and insurance companies that don't want to pay out. If the husband wants to move on that bad, there's nothing to stop him from divorcing her so he can marry his current flame and let the parents take care of their beloved daughter. As far as the insurance company is concerned - tough.

My personal hope is that the love and faith of the parents quietly triumphs over the greed of the insurance companies.

It looks VERY bad us cheering on the death of a woman

Bad??? It is utterly REVOLTING.

And the spin from the Left is as pathethic as the spin from the Right. There are certain issues in life which should be free of politics and this is one of them. Nevermind what the insurance companies want and specifically, never mind what politicians are trying to do with yet another wedge issue.

[gulfcoastliberal]

62. What insurance companies?

Her care is paid for my Florida medicaid, not a private insurer. Medicaid is a program the repukes are trying to eliminate.

[Tinoire]

64. You think insurance companies aren't watching this closely

armed with spreadsheets and charts of how much they will save down the road if this passes? I think they are.

[yellowcanine]

43. Well her impressions don't square with several neurologists working for

the courts on whether this woman is in a vegetative state or not - so I think I will go with the neurologists, thank you. Also - why is this nurse going public now - seems highly convenient and self serving. If she had relevant information in 1995 - why wasn't she swearing out affadavits then? No one is cheering for her death. She is dead already. Feeding tubes get removed from patients in a vegetative state every day all over the world. The travesty is that she has been kept alive for fifteen years because her parents can't accept the fact that she is never going to be conscious again. Nothing knee jerking about opposing that kind of irrationality. It is wrong to do what her parents are doing.

[MsMagnificent]

76. Not to disparage the neurologists

And believe it or not, I'm really not coming down on any side... it's just that I HAD to comment on the reports of the professional nurse(s) who care for Terri Schiavo 24/7.

I trained as an RN, and I can tell you there are many doctors who come to some decisions based on God-knows-what reasoning, certainly not reality. Especially in these kinds of circumstances the doctors should spend hours caring for a patient before they pronounce their learned opinion based on 5 minutes of observation during rounds. If you want a true and honest prognosis talk to the nurses who take care of the patient hour-to-hour, day-to-day!

I have followed this case for years. The allegations against Mr. Schiavo are nothing new, it's been his apparent MO for quite some time. That does not mean, however, that he wants to pull the tubes for his own selfish reasons. As someone here pointed out, he could have divorced and long been removed from this responsibility.

I don't know what his reasoning is, but I'm surely not on his side either.

As for the nurse going public at this time, I believe you'll find that the nurses and other caretakers of Terri Schiavo have had no problems publicly stating their take on the situation, their prognosis, for years.
Would you expect them to shut-up NOW?
I know that if I were directly involved in palliative care for Terri Schiavo, and she did indeed have the levels of consciousness as described, you can be God-Damned sure I will speak up! Not for money, not for notoriety nor Munchausens Syndrome by Proxy, but for doing what is right!

I agree with you completely that the family just cannot cope. The suffering Mrs. Schiavo surely has experienced all these years was mainly for the families well-meaning but selfish reasons. It is, quite plainly, terrible. They, IMO, have not kept her alive for her sake, but for their own.

Then again, the adage 'Where there's life there's hope' is true, and sometimes miracles do indeed happen... but very very rarely.


Dying from starvation &/or dehydration is horrific and slow. If indeed the courts wished to lessen her suffering they should talk to someone like Dr. Kevorkian, because this sentence is truly cruel and unusual punishment. We as a people have more empathy for and a provide a kinder death for feral stray cats.

That is solely my problem with this entire case, no matter what partisan, political drama plays out.

[OneTwentyoNine]

70. Cause her lips are moving......

Honestly,I heard this "nurse" on Hannity this afternoon. Give me a break,Schiavo running around shrieking outloud "when is the BITCH is going to die",always wanted her in a darkened room,didn't even want her bathed.

She didn't sound credible to me,but give Michael Schiavo as much air time on CNN and MSNBC as all the right wingers and religious nutballs and maybe we can make a decision on our own. Of course that won't happen...

[Tomee450]

73. I agree completely.

It's amazing the amount of support being given to the husband. I have a funny feeling about him. He's just fighting too hard to have her die. I saw the nurse being interviewed. She did not appear to be nutty to me.

[OneTwentyoNine]

75. Read post #44,I heard the nurse say the same thing on Hannitys show...

You think thats credible? I think its a load of crap....

[UTUSN]

77. No Knee-jerking Going on

*********QUOTE**********
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=2270&ncid=2270&e=2&u=/krwashbureau/20050319/ts_krwashbureau/_bc_braindamagedwoman_guardian_wa

.... Wolfson was appointed by a Florida court in the fall of 2003 to be Schiavo's guardian ad litem, or guardian at law, to deduce Schiavo's best interests and represent neither her husband nor her parents but Terri Schiavo herself.

This makes Wolfson one of the very few people to have spent extended time with Schiavo and gauged her level of awareness without having a vested interest at stake.

In the end, after long hours at Schiavo's bedside and after poring over 30,000 pages of legal documents, Wolfson concluded that Schiavo was indeed in a permanent vegetative state. ....

But Schiavo never made eye contact. When Wolfson visited her when her parents were there, she never made eye contact with them either, he said. And for all of Wolfson's pleadings and coaxing, he never got what he most wanted: a sign. ....

Wolfson was dismayed to learn Friday that Barbara Weller, an attorney for the Schindlers, claimed that Schiavo tried to speak. "Terri does not speak," he said. "To claim otherwise reduces her to a fiction." ....

********UNQUOTE*******

[candy331]

38. This Nurse should be made to prove what she wrote in her affidavit

or wherever she spews these lies. Surely no one believes that she is the only one who heard this. What about he other nurses and attendants working there? The lawyer/judge should subpoena everyone there while nurse was there to testify. Take that woman's license away she has broken every iota of the Hippocratic oath for personal agenda. I am sick of people for book deals, notoriety or whatever making all kind of false claims outright lying to be heard. Enough!

[Avalux]

40. What kind of nurse?

CNN never specified whether she was an RN, LVN, etc. Listening to her speak, she didn't sound well-educated and I wonder if anyone at CNN even bothered to check her background.
There's no way she would have been the only person to witness what she claims - she was Schiavo's nurse for 1 YEAR out of the past 15. Her statements were very unprofessional and totally bogus. She needs to be hauled into court for claiming Michael Schiavo tried to kill his wife.

[moobu2]

46. The Schindlers tried to use her testimony in court

and the judge ruled her testimony completely unreliable. I wish I could find the ruling because the judge explained in detail why he didn't believe her, it was very good and made perfect logical sense.

I'll look around and see if I can find the ruling, the only problem is there are about 5,000 (exaggeration but it's a lot) to look through.

One thing to remember though, throughout this case, the entire Florida judicial system allowed the Schindlers a great deal of access to the courts with whatever evidence the Schindlers thought they had. They just had nothing to support their claims.

[rodeodance]

68. she has RN after her name on the avvident

[janx]

69. She was an LPN when these things supposedly occurred. n/t

[mainer]

44. Does anyone believe a husband would SAY that in public?

Really, now. Try to imagine any man coming to a nursing station and asking them "when is the bitch going to die?" This is what totally strains all credulity.

[moobu2]

47. Hell no....Shame on CNN

[springhill]

50. Which Republican operative paid her I wonder........

It's becoming all too familiar. The swift boat vets, Jeff Guckert-Gannon, fake news stories. All lies, all paid for to further their agenda.

[joanski01]

52. I heard that Nurse on CNN

saying there were needle marks on Terri and she said they were from her husband injecting insulin in her. The Nurse said she checked Terri's glucose readings and they were low. She said that the husband was giving her the insulin so she would die. The interviewer, a woman (forget her name) asked the Nurse if she told the police. The Nurse said yes, but the police asked her if she actually saw the husband injecting the insulin. The Nurse said No, so the police ignored her.

CNN is really going to get the Right Wingers all roused up against Michael. I certainly wouldn't be surprise if the Nurse was paid to go on CNN and say that.

[AntiCoup2K4]

57. Now as any diabetic (or anyone who has lived with one) knows.....

...you don't "mainline" insulin, so why the fuck would there be "tracks" ?

And any nurse who doesn't know that should lose her goddamned job.

[deadparrot]

60. Looks like she already did.

Bitter barn, anyone?

[Robin Hood]

63. I had to go ballistic on a nurse before.

My dear wife was recovering from gall bladder surgery and we were given the incompetent nurse from hell. I had to go to the nurses station and demand a new nurse. We got a male nurse that was an angel, he listened to us and was capapble of doing his job, unlike nurse ratchet before him.

There are a lot of evil nurses out there, I suspect that this is one of them. I would sue her for defamation of character.

[rodeodance]

67. we have our bad apples but for the most part we do a good job!!

[Lars39]

65. Who's paying her? Bet it's these folks:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3324144

[ScreamingMeemie]

72. Wouldn't it be funny if it ended up being the swifties?

Sigh.....

[OneTwentyoNine]

74. This just prove when all else fails Repukes pull out the Swift boats..

I really wondered how long it was going to take to find an "O'Neil" in this matter,looks like we have one or two. Just like with John Kerry forget the issues and make Michael Schiavo the liar in the whole matter.