Fred Barnes on FOX just said Terri Schiavo had NOT had an MRI

[madhat]

But last night on ABC news they reported that she had.

Which is true?

[mimitabby]

1. uh, does fox ever tell the truth?

[rodeodance]

5. some see an MRI as superior over a CAT scan (Terri)--sometimes it is

and sometimes it gives no additional clinical information. Yet, I have heard this claim lots over last few days. And the Right has used this information (maybe it is true) to further there cause.

[Warpy]

13. The films posted online

looked more like CAT scans. MRI scans show different densities of structure within the brain. The scans online were sufficient to show hugely enlarged, fluid filled ventricles with the rest of the tissue atrophied. An MRI would not improve the situation. There isn't anything in her head that is capable of thought, interpretation, memory, or personality. It would just cost an additional thousand or so bucks.

It's amazing how medically ignorant blow dried bobbleheads confuse a diagnostic test with a cure, aint it?

[ET Awful]

2. The MRI is publicly available and has been posted on DU

She has no cerebral cortex. Any assertion to the contrary is a LIE.

[Nederland]

9. Link

Got a link to the MRI?

[ET Awful]

18. Excuse me, wasn't an MRI, but CT Scan.

I don't have the link handy, but it's here on DU somewhere. I'll poke around and see what I can find.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

3. she cannot have MRI..she has electrode implants in her brain......

from previous treatments and unless they surgically remove them an MRI could kill her ... but a PET scan could be done :shrug:

[Warpy]

14. The elctrodes would cast "shadows"

which would make an MRI useless as a diagnostic test. It wouldn't be fatal, it just wouldn't show anything but areas of blankness at the electrodes.

MRIs will fry wristwatches. However, the fillings in your teeth won't kill you if you need one. They just won't get any diagnostic information on your jaw because of them.

A PET scan is a completely different animal. It tracks brain activity through radioactively tagged glucose uptake but doesn't reveal much about the physical structures.

[Pirate Smile]

4. There is so much disinformation out there on this issue. Even

the politicians have been reciting it which is why the issue should be left to the courts and the family.

[rodeodance]

8. yes, it is easy to highlight a medical procedure instead of talking of

real issues like lack of health care, access to health care, eating disorders in America. etc etc. So much wasted time!!

[Riding this Donkey]

6. She did not have one, she only had a cat scan, which really does not show

much. If she can't have the MRI, she should at the very least be given the next best available which is a pet scan. or take the electrodes out and have an MRI done.

[Warpy]

22. Uh, you want her put under and her skull sawn open

to remove electrodes so she can have a TEST???

An MRI isn't going to improve anything. It's not going to show anything but atrophied brain sitting in a huge amount of fluid.

MRI scans aren't magic. They're great when there are soft tissue problems like non calcified tumors and ligament damage in knees. They won't create brain tissue where there is none.

[Riding this Donkey]

23. Not particularly, but every available test that can be done, should be

perfomed, don't you think?

[madhat]

24. Why?

When do we stay enough?

[Warpy]

27. "At least do no harm."

Sawing her skull open to remove old electrodes and further damage what brain is left in order to do a useless TEST is doing great harm.

The test is not medically necessary, will not work in her present condition, and will cause what's left of her a great deal of harm if conditions under which it can be done are met.

This is ridiculous. Enough is enough. Let her GO. She's dead.

[meegbear]

7. Who yah gonna trust? Fred Barnes or some leftist news organization?

Fah.

[Skidmore]

10. Shoot, Fred Barnes has been missing

his cerebral cortex for years. He just doesn't know it yet.

[Azathoth]

11. These guys are spinning and lying so fast they can't keep it straight

But then again, that's their goal. Keep people as confused and uninformed as possible.

[peacetalksforall]

12. INCITE Partners

My old name for them - CPNs = Corporate Propaganda Networks

My new name INCITE OPERATIVES

Incite - to move to action : stir up : spur on : urge on

synonyms INCITE, INSTIGATE, ABET, FOMENT mean to spur to action. INCITE stresses a stirring up and urging on, and may or may not imply initiating <inciting a riot>. INSTIGATE definitely implies responsibility for initiating another's action and often connotes underhandedness or evil intention <instigated a conspiracy>. ABET implies both assisting and encouraging <aiding and abetting the enemy>. FOMENT implies persistence in goading <fomenting rebellion>.

IN OTHER WORDS - they were trained to REPORT, BUT......

They are blatant PARTNER-OPERATIVES for and of the right wing cabal and pnacer imperialists. They instigate.... by lies, repetition, bias, weighting in favor of and against the citizens of the U.S.

Their privilege to send news over the air waves of the citizens of the U.S. should be revoked.

Do not be blindsided by the moral crap coming from the FCC -the moral issue for the survival of the country is their propaganda and incite operation.

[babylonsister]

15. I heard ABC say that as well.

But it was done quite a few years ago, maybe before electrodes were implanted?:shrug:

[madhat]

19. That's what I heard...

She had had one in 1990-1 or around then and only after that did they implant the electrodes. What are the facts?

[PC12]

16. Peter Jennings has thousands of times the integrity of Fred Barnes.

[lojasmo]

17. Of course she has. EOM

[rodeodance]

20. The Right is losing this one and instead of bowing out gracefully, we

have to witness this crap.

[kliljedahl]

21. On my TV Faux is labeled "LIES"

http://www.kliljedahl.net

[pdxmike]

25. I'm a Radiologist

Who reads both MRI and CT. If she has signifigant encephalomalacia (where the affected brain is essentially liquified), as one of her Doctors said, then a CT can show that just fine.

[moobu2]

26. Well what's your opinion about this scan

Well what's your opinion about this scan
I read the darker areas are cerebral/spinal fluid and I looked at a healthy brain scan that looked nothing like this (very few dark area).
Terri Schiavo's brain scan:

[pdxmike]

28. Is that her scan?

FWIW- this is a single slice from a CT scan, posted backwards for some reason. No Radiologist would render an opinion on a single image. But, there is marked diffuse cortical loss on this single image. This is the type of pattern one would expect in someone who has had a massive global ischemic event.
That white oblong shaped thing in her right lateral ventricle(remember the image is flipped left/right) is part of a shunt tube, meant to reduce pressure in the ventricles. There are no electrodes on this single image.

[madhat]

30. Frist would be very comfortable rendering an opinion.

He's a Doctor, you see.

But this is a very interesting assessment.

Does anyone have a list of exactly what tests she has undergone?

[moobu2]

31. Yes, it's a photo of Terri Schiavo's brain scan used in the 2000 trial

That is one of several scans entered into evidence in the 2000 trial.

That's about all I know of it. I'm not sure about all the tests done by the various doctors but I do know they did these cat scans, EEG's (were said to be flat), then many external tests like responses to pain and other stimuli (was said she might have some responce to deep pain), ability to visualy track objects (negative). That's about all I know about tests.

[yellowcanine]

29. Fred Barnes wouldn't know the truth if it bit him in the ass.