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greenbriar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 09:54 AM
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on CNN schindler's preacher said at 11:30 they were going to take
a drink of water to Terri.



won't she die trying to swallow? That would drown her
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 09:55 AM
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1. reflex action - swallow - is not imparied
:-(
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purji Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 09:59 AM
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2. In my experience
having worked with people on a feeding tube,they cant swallow or else they would be spoon fed.Thats just what I have seen though,I have no idea what the doctors have ordered or why.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 10:01 AM
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5. She's failed 3 swallow tests
She cannot swallow without choking.
Maybe that is there point.
Choke her--that way she has to go to the hospital and at least she get's IV's to keep her hydrated.
SICK.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 11:26 AM
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21. dying is not simple for many.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 11:44 AM
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37. forceful chocking of a patient is what is cruel and inhuman care
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 10:01 AM
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4. Yes, it is.
Edited on Wed Mar-23-05 10:02 AM by incapsulated
Swallowing food or water is a voluntary action requiring conscious awareness. This is why you don't pour water down an unconscious person's throat and why someone can choke to death on their own vomit while unconscious.

She would drown.

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 11:22 AM
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18. yes, choking occurs but some gets into lungs and leads to 'aspiration
pneumonia"--when people like Terri are encouaged to swallow (this is somethings given as the medical legel for death--as a consequense of food getting into the lungs).
We do have a primitive relflex but it is for our protection--the body is trying to tell us in these circumstances ---NO__DO NOT ATTEMPT THIS ACTION OF SWALLOWING!!
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 10:00 AM
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3. She can't swallow...
Terri's former Guardian Ad Litem explained thoroughly on Nightline that Terri can't swallow.

He also indicated that she had "swallow tests" performed a few years after she had the initial heart attack. Those tests indicated that she was unable to swallow.

Her husband and his attorney have both also said she can't swallow.

I suppose that's the reason for the feeding tube.
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 10:02 AM
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6. So they'll drown her...............
:eyes:
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lavenderdiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 10:17 AM
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7. I read somewhere this morning, that her husband
was by her side and not leaving until this whole thing is over... Won't they have to get past him to do this? Unbelievable...
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 11:23 AM
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19. The are 3 layers of guards before you get to her bedside.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 10:26 AM
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8. If she can take water...why wait until 11:30? What is hospital policy? nt
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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 11:06 AM
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9. They need to give time for the news folks to get there...
to show them getting arrested. Publicity stunt.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 11:10 AM
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11. they also said Jeb Bush has the option of an "exectutive order"--to
intervien if need be. they did not postualte if it is likely or not that he will do this.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 11:11 AM
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12. They said Jeb B. is very disappointed. I think he is disappointed
that is issue in not yet settled and now it just may be back in his lap.
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AllegroRondo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 11:09 AM
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10. They have to make sure the media is there
its all for publicity and politics anyway.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 11:12 AM
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13. I do not believe they will be allowed to enter the hospice -they tried thi
a yesterday-or the day before also.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 11:14 AM
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14. Nursing care allows for frequent swaping of mouth to keep it mosturized
there is no need for these theatics and the media ought to be ashamed of themselves for not pointing this out!!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 11:17 AM
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16. I think nursing is taking a terrible blow in this circus. The two nurses
they parade out on Fox and CNN are not the image of nursing I know of.
It is disgraceful!! Nurses have Standards of Care for these situations and the media should at least mention them!!
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OneTwentyoNine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 11:15 AM
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15. BS....They can't intervene n/t
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 11:22 AM
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17. there is probably water in the room. probably has a faucet even
and a sink. dont know why they have to bring it to her
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 11:24 AM
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20. as someone above said--it is for media attention only but I do think
that people do feel sorry for her.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 11:27 AM
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22. except the thousands of people that have experienced death
Edited on Wed Mar-23-05 11:29 AM by seabeyond
of a loved one. i felt sorry for her. i had horror visions in my head about what she would go thru. then i started listening to people that have actually watched those they love die. adn i talked to friends who have taken carre of loved ones who have died.

all those that have experience tell me it is nothing to what i thought it was

seeing how i have never experienced, i am clever enough to listen and learn from those that experienced

but thousand, know better

on edit, this is why bush and repugs arent going to get away. too many have done. they are calling into question peoples experience, powerful experience with loved ones. they are accusing those that have made tough decisions to pull plug. they are offending a lot of people. they are hurting a lot of people. and this experience is too big a deal for so many people, they will protect their experience with all they have. they wont be swayed. and they will be disgusted
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 11:29 AM
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23. yes, as someone else pointed out--the polls reflect how we would
want our loved ones treated (or ourselves) when the time comes.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 11:31 AM
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24. well, it is 11"30 ET ---
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 11:31 AM
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25. ah--yes Fox is playing out the scene--they are trying to get past with
the expectation of being arrested.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 11:32 AM
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26. so far noting happening
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 11:33 AM
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27. some preacher with a bible is talking
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 11:33 AM
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28. "Operation Save America" is the name of group trying to get water in
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 11:34 AM
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29. a 70 year woman will "lay her live down" by trying to get through
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 11:37 AM
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30. she looks young for being a 70 yr-old. Fox said it was a 'ceremoniouly"
offering.
I just find this all so fascinating.
Acts of civil disobediance is what the group calls it.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 11:37 AM
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31. she is being arrested now--going onto private property
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 11:41 AM
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34. well, they have not yet arrested her--she is still talking
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 11:42 AM
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35. well she walked thru the first layer of police and no one has stoped her
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 11:38 AM
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32. an "act of civil disobedience' is what the group calls it. even Fox says
it is "staged".
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 11:40 AM
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33. talking of how the Vatican is saying it is her 'personal way of the cross"
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 11:43 AM
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36. But she was arrested once she walked a few steps forward. Drama over
Fox is taking a commerical break.
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