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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-05 04:12 PM
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Christian activists panicked! Stronger beer coming to North Carolina!
Edited on Sat Apr-30-05 04:39 PM by IanDB1
Taking their eye off "The Gay Marriage Ball" for a moment, the fundies want to protest against "boutique beer."

We need to feed these people more pointless distractions to keep them occupied and away from things that matter more than this.

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From: knowhim@earthlink.net
Subject: {Calnc} Urgent Action Alert

April 30, 2005 Hosted, Designed & Maintained
by Ark Webs


URGENT ACTION ALERT

House ABC Committee Approves
the Sale of Beer with up to 15%
Alcohol Content - Measure Moves To House Floor

Vote to take place on May 3rd or 4th. Call your Representative in the
N.C. House today!

Wednesday, the House ABC Committee took up House Bill 392 - Amend Definition of Malt Beverage in ABC Law. The legislation raises the cap on alcohol content in beer from 6% to 15%. Unfortunately, the bill passed with a slight amendment by a 5-3 margin.

Rep. Stephen Laroque introduced the measure to the Committee by arguing that the 6% cap was an archaic law from the prohibition era that needed to be repealed. He said the law was established 75 years ago when Mill owners in North Carolina were concerned workers would fail to report to work on Mondays, if they drank beers of higher alcohol content.

LaRoque's portrayal of the history of North Carolina's current cap of 6% on alcohol content in beer, however, failed to recognize that loss of worker productivity due to alcohol related causes is not simply a relic of the past. In fact, according to the National Institute of Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism, drinking currently affects productivity in the workplace to a loss of over $97.7 billion annually.

Rev. Mark Creech, Executive Director of the Christian Action League, was the only person to speak out against the legislation at the committee meeting. Creech contended the measure would open the door for some spirituous liquor products, which are currently only allowed to be sold in ABC stores, to eventually be sold in retail establishments. If wine with an abv level of 16% and beer with an abv level of 15% is allowed on the grocery store shelves, then it won't be long before the producers of low proof liquors with comparable abv levels will want access to the same open market, he said. Creech added that two other control states like North Carolina, Idaho and Ohio, for similar reasons are now selling low proof liquor products outside their control stores.

Creech also told the Committee the legislation would open the door to potent malt liquor products that are currently illegal in North Carolina. He said these products are highly associated with city blight. They are problematic in that they are marketed to Hispanics and blacks and are largely the drink of the homeless and unemployed, he said. Creech also argued, "This is to say nothing about ramped up versions of flavored malt beverages, which are clearly marketed to young drinkers and college kids that could become

available. Nor to point out that contrary to some of the information we have heard, there is compelling evidence, that despite price or taste, craft and specialty beers provide a romantic attraction for underage drinkers and college students because they like the quick buzz and fast high it creates."

Sadly, none of these arguments resonated with members of the House ABC Committee. One other argument Creech made that did resonate, however, had to do with the labeling of alcohol content in beer. He said that under federal law, alcohol content is a labeling requirement for wine. But federal mandatory labeling requirements for malt beverages requires alcohol content to be included on the label, only when required by state law. Currently, North Carolina has no such requirement. So if the alcohol content in beer is allowed to increase, the consumer has no way of knowing how much alcohol he/she is drinking. "This is considerably dangerous when considering these new products contain twice or nearly three times the alcohol consumers in this state are used to drinking, with no disclosure required," said Creech.

Following Creech's testimony, Rep. Edgar Starnes sent forth an amendment that requires all beer of more than 6% alcohol content be labeled in the Tar Heel state. The amendment passed unanimously. "Although the Starnes amendment made the legislation better, the bill still has far too many problems," said Rev. Creech.

The bill now goes to the House Floor for a full vote, where it will likely be voted on either May 3rd or 4th.

Take Action: Call Your Representative in the North Carolina House and urge him/her to resist any effort to remove the cap of 6% on beer. Removing the cap will likely open a Pandora's box of problems that exacerbate alcohol-related problems and undermine alcohol control in North Carolina.

For Talking Points Click here...
http://christianactionleague.net/articles/housebill392.html


Do you know who represents you in the North Carolina House?

To find out who represents you in the North Carolina House, take the following steps:

a.. Click on http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/homePage.pl and then click on "Representation" in the left margin of the General Assembly's homepage.
b.. Under "North Carolina Representation" click on "Representation," which is the first category on the page.
c.. Once you reach the "Representation" page, just follow the prompts for determining who your Representative is either by voter registration, district, county, or zip code. (Finding your Representative by the county or zip code way seems to be the easiest.)
a.. Once you find your Representative, just click on his/her name and all the contact information will come up.
This process is very easy and not cumbersome. You need not be intimidated!!!

Another simple way to find who represents you in the North Carolina House is simply to call your local Board of Elections. They will be glad to give you that information over the phone.

In order to share this information with others that attend your church, find the Representative in the N.C. House that represents the area your church is located and take the contact information for that Representative to church on Sunday to distribute. Again, urge others to make calls too!!!

It is best to make phone calls rather than emails,
emails are often overlooked!

If you already know who your Representative is in the North Carolina House, you can just call 919.733.4111 and ask the Switchboard operator to patch you through to his/her office.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-05 04:14 PM
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1. oh egads! what a good laugh!! what century are we living in!!
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TriMetFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-05 04:20 PM
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4. The year is 500 B.C., didn't you know that Liberal?
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Riddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-05 10:33 PM
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33. Between this and the collective hissy fit they're having about a lottery..
it's a wonder these fools have time left to devote to gay marriage, abortion, and all the other ills they claim have decimated our society!!! Maybe it's THEM who have decimated our society with their continual attempts at forcing their beliefs on everyone else. Anything that makes these people complain I'm all for!
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-05 04:17 PM
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2. OUCH! I'm pretty sure a piece of the sky just fell on my head.
yep
THE SKY IS FALLING!
;-)
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entanglement Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-05 04:17 PM
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3. Bwahahaha!
Bow down before yer 15% alcoholic beer overlords, fools! Resistance is futile!
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-05 10:35 PM
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23. Oh good grief
Don't these people have anything better to do?? What about health care and education? Good grief. What moron's. I can't believe this shit. I wonder if someday someone will write a book on this crap as fiction. :crazy:
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-05 04:23 PM
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5. If Catholics are concerned about high alcohol content in beer
I think there's going to be a mass excommunication of the Irish...
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alcuno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-05 04:28 PM
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7. And Catholics in the midwest. Did this mention Catholics?
I only saw Christians.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-05 04:37 PM
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10. Sorry, I got it confused with a Catholic group with a similar name
Edited on Sat Apr-30-05 04:39 PM by IanDB1
The Christian Action League of North Carolina, Inc is
is an affiliate of the American Family Association "AFA"
http://www.calnc.com/

Subject line fixed on-edit.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-05 10:14 PM
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32. Ummm.... I think alcuno was making a funny.
Catholics ARE Christians, of course... but the fundies don't think so.
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Kellanved Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-05 04:23 PM
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6. I don't get the problem
Edited on Sat Apr-30-05 04:24 PM by Kellanved
IIRC wine is perfectly legal in NC. So why are they afraid of stronger beer? People won't consume a 8% bock like they are the light ultra-tasteless bud/miller/... .

And beer with more than 10% seldomly tastes any good anyway.
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wishlist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-05 04:37 PM
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8. N.C. Alcoholics help economy by drinking a case or two of beer daily
Although I live in N.C. I did not know higher alcohol malt beverages could not be sold at regular beer outlets. Several chronic alcoholic beer drinkers I know go through a case or two of beer each day.
If they had the same easy access to higher alcohol content beers, they wouldn't have to drink such huge quantities to keep their buzz which could actually hurt alcohol sales volume and lower state alcohol revenues.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-05 04:37 PM
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9. As so often, these idiots don't even know the facts.
Or maybe they don't LIKE the facts, because they don't support their theories?

QUOTE:
"If wine with an abv level of 16% and beer with an abv level of 15% is allowed on the grocery store shelves, then it won't be long..."

I've lived in NC since '98, and "Wild Irish Rose" at -18%- has been in every grocery store and gas station since the day I got here.

Do they care so little for TRUTH that they don't do any research, or are they just LIARS?

These Fundies can (as always) BITE ME!

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KingOfLostSouls Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-05 04:53 PM
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11. As A Proud Blanketass/Mick Descendant
theres no problem with beer *burp*

the only problem is when you run out.
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-05 05:04 PM
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12. Where the FUCK are they finding 15% beer anyway??
Up here in the Pacific Northwest we have literally dozens of microbreweries. Average alcohol content of the beer ranges from 5.2 - 7.0% alcohol. Occasionally you'll find the Belgian Trippel or Imperial stout that comes in around 9 or 10 %. I think I've seen a barleywine at 12% once or twice. I don't think I've ever seen a 15% beer around here, and this is (to use their language) "boutique beer" country!

If they know where to find 15% beer down there, I want to know about it, damn it. Because unless Jesus is turning the water into that stuff Himself, I don't believe it exists. And if He was, then they shouldn't be opposed to it, right?

Anyway, the only difference alcohol percentage makes in beer is how many trips you have to go to the bathroom. If you drink one 15% beer or 3 5% beers or 5 3% beers, the alcohol is exactly the same. Given my choice of the three, I'd spare the bladder. :beer:
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CatholicEdHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-05 09:12 PM
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15. Here is what they are missing:
http://www.news-record.com/news/government/ga/beer_041805.htm

Backers of �Pop the Cap� legislation say North Carolina�s 6 percent cap on alcohol in beer makes about a quarter of the world�s beers illegal in the state. Among the styles Tar Heels don�t see:

Barley wine: A beer with a misleading name. It is frequently described as �strong� or �intense.� According to BeerAdvocate.com, American barley wines emphasize the hops in their brew. Alcohol content: 8 percent to 15 percent

Imperial stout: A heavy, dark black beer that often has hints of chocolate. Alcohol content: 7 percent to 12 percent

Scotch ales: Also called wee heavy, this is sweet, rich beer brewed with few hops. Alcohol content: 6 percent to 10 percent
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-05 07:36 PM
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13. Here's a thinly veiled racial slur
Edited on Sat Apr-30-05 07:37 PM by Gman
"He said these products (malt liquor) are highly associated with city blight."

Translation: "Oh my God! We're going to have a bunch of drunk Negroes running around here!"

No doubt this righteous white man takes exception with the bruthahs tipping a Colt 45.



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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-05 09:41 PM
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19. Exactly. Notice they are not trying to outlaw, say, Glenmorangie.
:eyes:
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-05 10:09 PM
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31. That sent me to Google!
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Dervill Crow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-05 07:58 PM
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14. Damn, is that where my Kazi went?
Kazi disappeared off the shelves here exactly one week after I discovered how good it is.

This is an outrage. Oregon is supposed to be a liberal state, and I can't buy my 5-point-whatever percent alcohol "malternative" brew. Dang.
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-05 09:19 PM
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16. Give me my Sam Adams Winter Ale (White Ale)
Any day!!!!:toast:
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CatholicEdHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-05 09:35 PM
Response to Reply #16
17. Leinies Honey Weiss is also pretty good
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-05 12:20 AM
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27. Sam Adams is a Democrat Beer!
GREAT NEWS! Boston Beer Company / Sam Adams- DEMOCRATS!
Topic started by IanDB1 on Apr-27-05 12:35 PM (9 replies)
Last modified by TaleWgnDg on Apr-28-05 02:38 AM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=158&topic_id=4156

See also:

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Last modified by IanDB1 on Apr-28-05 03:06 PM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=1747974

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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-05 08:09 AM
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30. I didn't know that.
The Sam Adams Ales are all good. The new Summer Ale isn't bad either.
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-05 09:37 PM
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18. Do these yahoos know that Jesus used to drink wine?
With 12 of his best buds?:evilgrin:
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-05 09:50 PM
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20. BLASPHEMY! Next, you'll be saying he was JEWISH or somethin'.
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-05 10:03 PM
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21. I heard he only got the job because of his dad
:spank:
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-05 10:45 PM
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25. Where's the rimshot when I need it? :)
I know, you're here all week. Try the veal. :applause:
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-05 10:44 PM
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24. You mean he wasn't Christian?
:donut:
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-05 12:23 AM
Response to Reply #18
28. Yeah, and look where it got him
Not to mention all the wars and millions of deaths he caused even after his gruesome demise.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-05 10:06 PM
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22. And wine is *how* much stronger than beer?
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kodi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-05 11:21 PM
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26. apparently nobody around thinks alcoholism is a problem
nor do they seem to accept that what this group is doing is exactly what one would want citizens to do in a representative democracy, viz., petition the government so their concerns are heard by people who decide on laws. you might not like what they are doing but you ought to respect how they are doing it and how this is a reflection of the system in which we live.

does anyone deny that this attempt to raise the alcohol limit in beer is going to adversely affect those who drink to get drunk and that those who do are more likely poor and young drinkers?

it would exceptionally strange to think this is gong to adversely affect primarily well-to-do folks who can afford a fine merlot. it will affect those with a thunderbird thin pocketbook.

i have family and friends who are alcoholics. those who drink "fortified" beers or spirits regularly are without a doubt alcoholics. they are drinking beverages with that high an alcoholic content to get drunk. i have heard of people who open a bottle of wine and drink a couple of glasses of it, but a person who buys a bottle of thunderbird on purpose is prepared to drink the entire bottle quickly.

we lose 50,000-60,000 americans to alcoholism each year. i think that is a bad thing. i think making beer with an alcohol content in the range of port wine is a bad thing.

the egalitarianism on this thread is interesting. basically it supports cheap drugs to keep poor folks inebriated since wealthier folk can buy enough to get drunk anyway.

basically, i am against making it easier to get drunk.

legalize weed instead.
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-05 01:01 AM
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29. Of course alcoholism is a serious problem....
But what can you do? Prohibition? We tried that and got organized crime as a result. As far as legalizing weed goes, I'm all for it, and I haven't smoked in years, but even that was made illegal under corporate pressure. As were cocaine and heroin. Not that I advocate anybody use those two, but the prohibition of these drugs allowed the Bush Criminal Empire, through their subsidiary the CIA, to fund their operations by means of international drug smuggling.

And of course in the (mostly Southern) states where "dry counties" still exist, those who want to drink still find a means by which to do so, and the laws are probably only enforced if a redneck sherriff needs "revenue enhancement" due to all the federal & state budget cuts - which of course came from the Republicans he probably voted for.

The solution is to stop trying to prohibit *ANY* drug. Stop treating it as a criminal or a "moral" problem, but as the public (and private) health issue that it truly is.

You would think a "recovering" alcoholic/cokehead in the White House would get that obvious reality.
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Kitka Donating Member (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-05 10:36 PM
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34. I am against....
Edited on Sun May-01-05 10:36 PM by Kitka
it being impossible for people to make their own decisions about what types of beer they would like to sell and purchase. Nothing egalitarian about it.

Oh, and yes... we should legalize weed. It's not a matter of "instead".
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-05 10:42 PM
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35. Highest Beer Taxes in these states (per gallon)
AK 1.07
HI 0.92
SC 0.77
AL 0.53
NC 0.53
FL 0.48
GA 0.48
MS 0.43
NM 0.41
UT 0.41
OK 0.40

Lowest
WY 0.02
MO 0.06
WI 0.06
KY 0.08
OR 0.08
DC 0.09
PA 0.08
MD 0.09
RI 0.10
MA 0.11
NY 0.11

Oregon does not charge sales tax on beer
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-05 11:09 PM
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36. Malt liquor is a series problem
I am not sure that banning is good, but labeling seems good. Way too many young people drink those 40's and get blitzed.
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Hanover_Fist Donating Member (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-05 11:16 PM
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37. This could lead to dancing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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sleipnir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-05 12:14 AM
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38. Are all the people going to drink Barley Wines now? They're illegal?
I can't imagine not having a great glass of barley wine over a nice cold night. The 12% "beer" warming me up with the strong taste barley and the bouquet of hops inserted into such a lovely drink.

Ahhh...my taste buds are watering for a good barley wine, too bad I can't buy them in NC, until a very short time for now.

I'll have to be content with a Sierra Nevada Pale Ale for now, close but no cigar.
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richmwill Donating Member (972 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-05 01:05 AM
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39. Well this is a surprise...
...Considering that when I hear about a man slapping a woman around it more often than not turns out to be an "Intoxicated Southern Christian-Conservative Man", it surprises me that they'd be against the higher alcohol contents.
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