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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 09:12 PM
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NEW NH ARG 1/23: Kerry +3 Dean -3 Clark -1 Edwards +2
Edited on Fri Jan-23-04 09:17 PM by Feanorcurufinwe
3-Day Results  	16-18  	17-19  	18-20  	19-21  	20-22  	21-23
Clark 	        20% 	19% 	18% 	19% 	20% 	19%
Dean 	        28% 	28% 	26% 	22% 	18% 	15%
Edwards 	8% 	8% 	9% 	9% 	11% 	13%
Kerry 	        19% 	20% 	24% 	27% 	31% 	34%
Kucinich 	1% 	2% 	1% 	1% 	1% 	1%
Lieberman 	6% 	7% 	7% 	7% 	7% 	6%
Sharpton 	0% 	0% 	0% 	0% 	0% 	0%
Other 	        0% 	0% 	0% 	0% 	0% 	0%
Undecided 	15% 	13% 	13% 	14% 	12% 	12%
	  					
Sample size 	617 	617 	718 	811 	806 	712
	  					
Democrats 	432 	436 	511 	573 	558 	484
Undeclared 	185 	181 	207 	238 	248 	228
Undeclared (%) 	30% 	29% 	29% 	29% 	31% 	32%
Margin of error is ± 4 percentage points


Today's tracking gives some hints about debate performance on
Thursday and the impact of Howard Dean's Primetime interview.
The trends suggest that (1) Howard Dean's slide in ballot
preference has stopped (Dean's 3-day favorable has increased
to 35% from 31% and his unfavorable has decreased to 37% from
42%), (2) Wesley Clark has dropped to his lowest single-day
ballot preference since January 4, and (3) John Kerry and John
Edwards continue to gain support (Kerry began his upward trend
on January 15). As Kerry's lead continues to grow, Clark,
Dean, and Edwards are battling for second place, but remain 20
percentage points behind Kerry. Ballot preference for Joe
Lieberman remains in the single digits. 

As of the tracking ending January 23, Clark's strong support
is 63% of his ballot preference, Dean's strong support is 47%
of his ballot preference, Edward's strong support is 77% of
his ballot preference, and Kerry's strong support is 74% of
his ballot preference. As a result, a total of 29 percentage
points overall could switch before Tuesday, not including the
12% undecided.
http://www.americanresearchgroup.com/nhpoll/demtrack/
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LiberalBushFan Donating Member (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 09:14 PM
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1. I hope ARG is the accurate one
as supposed to others I've been seeing. Otherwise it's lookin bad for Clark.
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overground1 Donating Member (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 09:49 PM
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15. "Wesley Clark has dropped to his lowest single-day ballot preference"
It will take a few days for the old numbers to drop off to start really showing how wounded Clark is now.
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boxster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 09:17 PM
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2. Wow, Edwards is within striking distance of 2nd, and 3rd is very likely.
Edited on Fri Jan-23-04 09:17 PM by boxster
Dean could end up as low as 4th.

I hope that Clark's trend reverses!
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mlawson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 09:21 PM
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4. He and Kerry are consistently climbing.
Actually, Edwards needs only a second place in NH, or even a close 3rd. It isn't his primary to win, anyhow, and anything higher than 4th is gravy. His states are yet to come.
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DjTj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 09:22 PM
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5. Go Johnny Go!
...he's coming up fast on the outside...
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 09:30 PM
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9. Edwards and Dean are statistically tied, within MOE
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 09:40 PM
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11. Edward's strong support is 77% of his ballot preference -- highest!
Edited on Fri Jan-23-04 09:43 PM by AP
Clearly, the more peole who know about Edwards, the better he does.
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DJcairo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 09:21 PM
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3. I was about to post but u beat me - check out how low Dean's strong is
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DJcairo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 09:26 PM
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6. I can't help but think that if Kerry wins by 20 points...
This thing might be over. Remember, Feb. 3 is alittle over a week away. There isn't much time for Edwards-Clark-Dean to do much post-NH. The last two dems to win back to back in Iowa and NH was Carter and Gore.
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mlawson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 09:30 PM
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10. It would be over for one of them, but not the others....
Each have different situations, post-NH.
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jmaier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 09:27 PM
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7. Not so good
for my man Wes. I think his one day result for 1/23 must have been around 15% which means that he is likely to decline tomorrow also unless he gets at least a 21% on the 1/24 numbers.

It's odd that Edwards and Kerry who are getting the new bounce are also showing high in strong support. It's like these late deciders don't want to have to make up their minds again!
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 09:43 PM
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13. That's exactly how it was in 2000. I think voters no longer have strong
party identification, and, in fact, pride themselves on their independence.

I'd guess that translates to lots of people who'd say "I haven't made my mind up" as a show of independence, when, in fact, they're strongly leaning. They'll play like that up to the last minute, but I bet they break for the favorites, just like the rest of the voters.
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DaisyUCSB Donating Member (455 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 09:29 PM
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8. could/would Dean keep going after a 4th place finish?
anybody?
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 09:48 PM
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14. I say no because, if he's behind, he's going to have to spend ALL his...
...money. I don't think he'd do well on Feb 3 anywhere if he doesn't finish in 1st or close 2nd in NH. He'll have strong motivation to spend hard to win. He'll be out of cash after NH, and without a win, he'll have no prospects of raising enough to win anywhere (if he couldn't win with 40 mil in NH or IA).

(It may be the case, however, that he's resolved to be some kind of power-broker doling out ducats to other campaigns -- maybe he won't spend money in NH, but he won't run hard anywhere -- he'll just keep his millions, and keep trying to raise money while he puts enough of a facade of running so that he can raise more cash -- which is how he lives, right? He's a frugal hoarder? Maybe that was his plan all along.)
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Zech Marquis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 09:40 PM
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12. Edwards is doing better than I expected in NH
that's a very nice surprise. I won't be shocked again to see him pass Dean by--BTw Dean may be able to hold off Clark, but overallhe's been unable to make up any lost ground at all.

Meanwhile, Kerry is really on a roll!
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 09:49 PM
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16. Dont' underestimate John Edwards.
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 09:49 PM
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17. He's being cheered on by the corporate media
Edwards and Clark while Clark is being continuously smeared so why should these results be any surprise.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 10:01 PM
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19. Riiiiggghhhhhtttt. They're looking at him, and they're trying to find bad
things to say. It isn't easy. But they're trying.

Perhaps you aren't familiar with the MEMO. My local news, nowhere near NH spent some time on that one yesterday.
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 10:38 PM
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23. When you have Novak, Carlson and other RW
nuts cheering on your guy and praising him don't you wonder why?
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 10:45 PM
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27. Ok. So what's the argument? Why do they want him to be the nominee
over the rest? Because he's a corproate whore? Nope. Because they think he can't win? OK. I'm willing to hear the argument. He's lowest in the polls now, so techncally, yes, this is they guy they should be propping up. But should he be fourth in the polls? Is he the weakest one really?

Make your argument.

I'm willing to listen.
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 10:02 PM
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20. You know
I have been guilty of this myself, adding the word 'corporate' in front of the word 'media' to make it sound worse.


But the interesting thing is

"He's being cheered on by the media"

means the exact same thing as:

"He's being cheered on by the corporate media"



Just an observation.

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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 10:09 PM
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21. Sort of like...
how I've been saying whore media...

That's like saying whore prostitute -- it's completely redundant.
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jenk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 09:55 PM
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18. go edwards!
this is what we saw in Iowa in the closing days, inching up!!!
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mohc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 10:30 PM
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22. Not just inching
This poll uses 3 day rolling averages, so for his numbers to go 9->11->13, his daily for the 23rd has to be higher than 13. He could be as high as 17 or as low as 15. Its a 3-way race for 2nd place, and Edwards has momentum on his side. But Kerry is storming away with this. Unless this poll is way off, its probably going to end with results around:

Kerry 40%
Edwards 19%
Clark 18%
Dean 14%

I just don't know if the media will view 2nd place as significant if Kerry wins by as much as it looks like he will.
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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 10:43 PM
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25. I hope so.
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Namvet04 Donating Member (151 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 10:46 PM
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28. I never paid attention to Edwards until after Iowa - did you notice
with all the screaming about Dean's scream, some of you should listen to what Edwards said after Iowa. He could win over repubs with how good that talk was.

He is young, bright and fresh with new ideas. I am concern that being a very rich trial lawyer could hurt him.

I have him to place 3rd and hope he sinks clarke, Dk (will give him his people).

Get this to Kerry, Edwards and Dean and let them go at it. Debates will mean something.
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Namvet04 Donating Member (151 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 10:42 PM
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24. My prediction for NH
Kerry, Dean, Edwards, Clarke

Maybe we can get it down to the top 3 dems and have some good debates.
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Meshuga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 10:45 PM
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26. True...
The debates would be much better than with fewer candidates in my opinion too. My prediction for NH is the same.
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