kentuck
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Fri Jan-23-04 10:06 PM
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Here is the argument they will use if Clark is the nominee.... |
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He got George McGovern to endorse him. He is even more liberal than Howard Dean on the issue of civil unions and gay rights.
He was fired from his job as Allied Commander for integrity reasons.
Saddam Hussein would still be in power today if Clark was the president, instead of in a prison and the world would be much less safe.
He doesn't know what he stands for...He's a waffler...He didn't know he was a Democrat until he decided to run for the Presidency. In fact, he praised the job that George W Bush did in the war, but later says something entirely different. Does he know what he stands for?
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Fri Jan-23-04 10:08 PM
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1. Looks like Edwards will finish in front of Clarke |
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Maybe that will end the nonsense of talking about a war 40 years ago. Let us talk about the future.
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Fri Jan-23-04 10:15 PM
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2. Interesting take on the subject |
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How do you feel about Jane Fonda?
You probably should brush off your notes because you can be sure to hear a lot more about that old war if Kerry is the Dem nominee.
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Fri Jan-23-04 10:32 PM
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10. Jane Fonda or anyone that stood with the enemy I am against |
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I can't be a hypocrite when I stood for Bill Clinton and Al Gore when they were attack for what they did during Nam.
It is over.
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Fri Jan-23-04 10:18 PM
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4. Edwards takes 4th or 5th in NH. |
kentuck
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Fri Jan-23-04 10:17 PM
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3. The point is that we cannot permit them to put us on the defensive.... |
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by asking questions such as these. We have to be on the offensive. That is why I thought Kerry was somewhat naive today by not responding more "appropriately" to the question about Jr's AWOL...When you get a big fat fastball like that, you're supposed to hit a homerun....not bunt. That is how we get them on the defensive.
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Fri Jan-23-04 10:19 PM
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5. Yup, they're gonna say |
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"This is career oppurtunism on the part of the general, and his record reflects that. Oh, and everyone else in the military hated him."
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mikehiggins
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Fri Jan-23-04 10:27 PM
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Clark was making millions in private industry, for the first time in his life. He walked away from that to run for President.
What is opportunistic about that?
How many people do you know that would do that?
He had it made, had a sure thing, gave it up because he thought he could help his country.
Yeah, that's a hard one to sell.
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Fri Jan-23-04 10:32 PM
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9. if he doesn't make a fool of himself his price tag goes way up |
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thats why.
Only problem is, he forgot the "if".
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mikehiggins
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Fri Jan-23-04 10:24 PM
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On the other hand
Bush lied and Americans died.
Bush failed to prevent 9/11
Bush lied about the war and the weapons of mass destruction.
Bush lied about the link between al QUeda and Saddam.
Where is Osama bin Laden?
Why is the Taliban seizing power in Afghansitan again?
Why have Iraqi women lost all their freedoms and rights now that Bush has set them free?
Why does Bush continue to lie to our people about so many things?
Bin Laden would be in jail, or dead, if Clark was president. Saddam would be disarmed. The Saudis wouldn't be paying off terrorists.
And here at home...
Where is the surplus?
How big is the deficit?
Why are our jobs bleeding away?
Why is poverty growing and growing and growing?
Why can't I buy my prescriptions from Canada?
Why do the rich get the tax cuts?
Why does Bush lie to our people about so many things?
And a few dozen dozen more.
This is not going to be a "defensive" campaign if Clark is running.
It will be an attack, directly, covertly and from the flanks.
And we will win.
This time, Bush has a record as president. It will hang him.
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Fri Jan-23-04 10:31 PM
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8. They will make many arguments about any Dem - and we will fight them |
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with all we have got by talking to people one on one about these issues.
None of these candidates, absolutely none of them, is perfect. Besides, Rove just makes up stuff, throws it and tries to make it stick.
So enough of the gloom and doom! George Bush is a Miserable Failure, and it is going to be hard to argue w that fact.
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Fri Jan-23-04 10:51 PM
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12. Now you're getting it ! |
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They will attack whomever is the nominee. The trick is, do we let them define us or do we take the offensive and define them first. =================================================================== There is no polite way to say this to the American people. They lied to get us into the war. Yes, they captured Saddam Hussein. But we have lost over 500 young men and women and thousands have been seriously injured, many loss of limbs and blind. They were crazed and berserk about Bill Clinton lying to our people about sex. But now, they turn their eyes the other way when Bush and virtually his entire cabinet lie to get us into a war we did not have to fight. They can slapon the lipstick, spray on the perfume, and powder full body, but the fact remains, they lied and our people died.
And it is not just the war they have screwed up, they have screwed up the economy so bad that it may take decades to fix. They made promises and broke them. They said all the huge surplus was the people's money and they gave away a huge surplus and now we have record deficits for as far as the eye can see. They took over an economy that had employers begging for workers. Now, 4 years later, they are the first Administratin since Herbert Hoover and the Great Depression to have a negative growth in the job market. They would like for the people to believe it was all because of 9/11 or it was the fault of Bill Clinton. That too, is a lie.
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Fri Jan-23-04 10:42 PM
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11. One solution would be to avoid stepping onto baited ground again. |
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They never should have agreed to participate in a Fox sponsored pseudodebate.
They should have decided in solidarity to stay away from it. I hope that it was a lesson to each of them. In the future, don't walk into baited traps.
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Fri Jan-23-04 11:50 PM
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13. One thing to keep in mind |
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is that ALL of the candidates have negatives that will be exploited to the fullest by the Bush cabal. NONE of the candidates is pure and unsullied.
Expect a phenomenally dirty campaign. Expect every effort to be made to steal the election since Bush cannot possibly win in a fair, free, and honest election.
While I am decidedly not a Clark supporter, a list like this to oppose Clark on grounds of "unelectability" isn't very useful. Such lists can be made for all of the candidates, without exception. Only the specifics vary.
I have my own reasons for whom I support and whom I don't, but in the end it's not based on "electability" but whether or not I think the given man would be a good president.
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