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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 10:27 PM
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CNN just said that David Kay said that the WMD probably never existed.
I haven't seen anyone here talking about this. This is pretty amazing. Can the pro-IWR candidates still hold Bushco to this?
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 10:29 PM
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1. Of course
they can. If Bush had followed the resolution it would have been Hans Blix saying this instead of David Kay and there would have been no invasion.

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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 10:31 PM
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2. This election is about the future
(That's what our new frontrunner says.) Stop bothering us with ancient history.

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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 10:40 PM
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4. you mean like this?
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 10:42 PM
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5. LMAO!
Good one, maggywaggy.
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 10:46 PM
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9. And the future should include
long prison terms for this administration for their crimes against this country and humanity. Invading two countries on lies and pretext. Stealing the National Treasury for themselves and their friends. You get the picture.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 10:55 PM
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14. It IS monstrous, RC
That's why I'm having a problem digesting my milquetoast.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 10:35 PM
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3. They're in the best position
Edited on Fri Jan-23-04 10:35 PM by sandnsea
They can't be labeled as left wing wacko kneejerk anti-war people. They looked at the evidence gathered by the CIA and were reasonably concerned. Unlike the other candidates, they chose to respond to that concern. With a process that everybody understood. Go to the UN, get a resolution, get inspectors back in the country, and only go to war as a very last resort. They were prepared to protect the country, but had no reason to believe the President of the United States would lie. (95% of Americans would never believe a President would lie us into a war) They have the most credibility on the war. (Clark does too because he's a General and can say anything he wants really.)
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 10:44 PM
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7. Um, one teeny little problem with that. The CIA didn't produce
that information. It was Cheney's special ops folks. The CIA said Saddam wasn't a threat.

That won't fly.

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asjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 10:49 PM
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11. And now someone else is
going to go back to Iraq and spend more of our money on non-existent weapons.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 10:50 PM
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13. Why? Why only bits and pieces?
Why do people do this? Real question.

General Clark said Saddam was a theat. Take it up with him.

Who knew Cheney was screwing around with the intelligence in Sept 2002?

Your comments don't match reality.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 10:46 PM
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10. Good thing like 10,000 people are dead...
...so that our candidates can avoid looking like left-wing wacko kneejerk anti-war people. I don't think we win without people brave enough to go the distance to prove that they were not left-wing wacko kneejerk anti-war people. It's not like they wimped out of this game of chicken and like got angry or anything, even when it became apparent games were being played. And even if they did, they'd make sure they apologized for it.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 10:49 PM
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12. That wasn't the issue
It was whether the "pro-IWR" candidates can hold Bush accountable. And I explained why they're in a better position to do that than anti-IWR candidates. They didn't kneejerk, they behaved in a way to attempt to secure the country, but do it responsibly. Bush lied. And they'll say so.
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 10:43 PM
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6. no suprise
Like all good stories it will be ignored.
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isbister Donating Member (902 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 10:45 PM
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8. candidates?
Isn't Lieberman the only candidate left now that Gephardt is gone?
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 12:08 AM
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15. pro war resolution, not pro war.
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sleipnir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 12:12 AM
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16. As I recall, Edwards and Kerry voted for the Resolution
That makes them Pro-IWR, regardless of present opinion. They still voted to give * unlimited power to conduct war in the Mid-East. Many good Dems refused to vote YES, while some others thought it would be in their best political interest. I don't buy any of that tripe that they were "fooled." Only a fool accepts what Bush tells you, there was plenty of evidence to counter Bush's lies, but some Dems refused to read the damning evidence or would rather have a good, "safe" political vote...
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lurk_no_more Donating Member (582 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 12:41 AM
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17. Kay: No WMD stockpiles found in Iraq
But though Kay has said new information has been uncovered about Iraq's programs -- particularly its efforts to build missiles -- he has since concluded there are no weapons stockpiles to be found.

"I don't think they existed," Kay told Reuters on Friday. "What everyone was talking about is stockpiles produced after the end of the <1991> gulf war, and I don't think there was a large-scale production program in the '90s."

He also told Reuters that most of the weapons evidence has been found but that any further search would be much more difficult after control of the country is returned to Iraqis.


And then there were none!
” JAFO”



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