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feckerman Donating Member (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 11:43 PM
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New Zogby Poll
Edited on Fri Jan-23-04 11:59 PM by feckerman
Fox had put up numbers earlier today when John Zogby was on Hann/Colmes:

Kerry 30
Dean 22
Clark 14
Edwars 7
Nonliberalman 7

Clark has certainly taken a hit. Zogby also said he thinks Dean may have upward movement starting tommorow. Should be interesting.



Edit Note: did this from memory - actually better news for Dean than I recalled from Fox earlier this evening.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 11:44 PM
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1. I expected these numbers.
Dean's daily numbers bottomed really low on Wednesday and now are actually picking up sharply. Because of the averaging system, this won't be seen until Sunday.
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 11:49 PM
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3. So you have access to Zogby's internal polling numbers?
You say Dean's numbers are 'now are actually picking up sharply'.


Really? What are those numbers, pray tell? What is your source for them?
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 11:50 PM
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6. Zogby himself said it on the show
what better source than Zogby? *giggle*
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 11:51 PM
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8. I heard Zogby say as much.
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ringmastery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 11:56 PM
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nevermind
Edited on Fri Jan-23-04 11:59 PM by ringmastery
That's the same poll that was released earlier today.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 11:47 PM
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2. that's good news! for Dean, I mean.
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 11:50 PM
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4. Interesting, yesterday Kerry led Dean by 8, today Kerry leads Dean by 12

That's your idea of good news for Dean?

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NewHampster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 11:51 PM
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7. But this morning by 15
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 12:20 AM
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29. What are you talking about?
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feckerman Donating Member (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 11:54 PM
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15. It is good news..
As Clark has fallen even deeper into third, with the blood stopping around Dean and his new message sounding throughout all of New Hampshire - he is poised for a strong second.

Third in Iowa
Strong Second in New Hampshire (against the odds)

Clinton. oh wait Dean. I mean clinton. Wait, wait Dean.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 11:56 PM
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17. your not reading or else you want to ignore what is written
Zogby said that they are detecting upward movement for Dean today, the tracking numbers he had are not including today--but from Tuesday, Wed, and Thursday. Today (Friday's) numbers will be included in tracking announced tomorrow. Zogby knows how the preliminary tracking is going so that is how he is able to say that they are detecting an upturn for Dean.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 11:52 PM
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10. I LOVE the I Scream You Scream button!
The Dean Team made lemonade!

Now that's the way to respond to media garbage.
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NewHampster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 11:50 PM
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5. Woo Hoo Zippidy Do Dah - the Doctor is Back In town
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 11:51 PM
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9. Back in Burlington soon for good, that is.
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ACPS65 Donating Member (217 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 12:00 AM
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22. Thank God
.
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 11:53 PM
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11. The best news is that Lieberman is falling
on his face.:party:
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feckerman Donating Member (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 11:53 PM
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12. Feanorcurufinwe ..
I have access to Fox News - which in turn has access to Zogby - who inturn says he expects a rise for Dean tommorow and that he thinks the Bleeding has stopped.

:)
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 11:56 PM
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18. Forgive me, I don't have access to Fox News, fortunately,
Edited on Sat Jan-24-04 12:19 AM by Feanorcurufinwe
and since it turns out this isn't actually an new poll, this thread has been a complete waste of mine and everybody's time.
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Blaukraut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 11:53 PM
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13. here's a link
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 11:54 PM
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14. No, that's the old result,
they are talking about something not on Zogby's site yet.
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feckerman Donating Member (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 11:56 PM
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19. no...
We are talking about the Jan 20 - 22 results which were just released tonight. They show the numbers I posted above. :)
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 12:05 AM
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24. You are way out of date, Zogby released those numbers this morning.
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Blaukraut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 11:56 PM
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20. thanks
So Dean has actually been dropping 1 to 2 points a day, while Kerry has been going up 2 to 3 points a day.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 11:55 PM
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16. Edwards is only at 7 not 8 or 9 Kerry at 30 not 32
http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=790

Clark and Edwards took a hit of 1 point Dean took a hit of 2 points and Kerry went up 3. Their are two polls that still have Clark in second and one said Clark was the only one with upward movement. Who the hell knows?
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 11:58 PM
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21. Isn't this a triple or quadruple dupe?
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 12:03 AM
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23. I'll trust Zogby's web page from now on and ignore 2nd-hand Fox reports
the numbers were inaccurate as originally posted, so why believe the reports of 'what Zogby said'?

Here's what he had to say on his web page:

Pollster John Zogby: Kerry had another double-digit lead today. Dean continues to poll in the low 20's.

" Kerry has a substantial lead among Democrats, while the race is tighter among Independents. Kerry has narrowed the gap among younger voters, and his lead increases with each age cohort. Voters over 65 years of age are giving Kerry a 2 to 1 lead.

"Based on the last two days of polling, if the trend continues, Kerry will probably lead by double-digits in tomorrows 3 day roll."
http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=790


Nothing about Dean's numbers being 'up sharply'.

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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 12:06 AM
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25. If Dean starts an uptrend, who is he going to siphon voters from?
Will it be mostly undecideds? Kerry supporters? Clark?
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 12:17 AM
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28. If it ever happens, we'll know.
IF

lol
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 12:07 AM
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26. Still only one thing to say:
SUCH
UNDERSTANDABLY
CHEERING
KNOWLEDGE
OUT OF
NEW HAMPSHIRE
IS
TERRIFIC
!
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 12:08 AM
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27. LOL
And that is all I will say. :-)
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 12:20 AM
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30. You are too kind, Mr Woof
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