Bottom line: If the "DEAL" includes agreement by Dems to NOT filibuster

[AzDar]

future SCOTUS nominees...It's no "DEAL" at all. It's a goddamned
cave-in!!!

[Jawja]

1. Absolutely true.

It smells like "cave-in" to me.

[emulatorloo]

2. Um it doesn't n/t

[DaveinMD]

3. it doesn't

they can filibuster anyone in extraordinary circumstances.

[AzDar]

5. "extraordinary circumstances".... As interpreted by WHOM? n/t

[DaveinMD]

15. we can call it such

at that point.

[LittleClarkie]

16. Someone on Kos called Reid's approach jujitsu

He promised not to use the filibuster in anything but the most extreme cases.

I think the idea was that when Reid uses it again, and the Repubs say "You promised to only do that in the most extreme cases" Reid will reply, "This is an extreme case."

I hope I got that idea right.

[ET Awful]

6. What constitutes "extraordinary"?

To me the anti-person pro-corporate Owen is an extraordinary circumstance.

[Pacifist Patriot]

9. I would think so too. *sigh*

[DaveinMD]

14. I believe

we'll be using the fillibuster for extreme supreme court nominees.

[Democrat 4 Ever]

13. MSNBC is saying that this is a stick in the eye of Frist. That can't

EVER be a bad thing! Also, Warner and Byrd are saying they want to put together a commission to make recommendations to the WH for judgeships (that will go over like a lead balloon - Rove has got to be changing his drawers as we speak!). We can still filibuster, came across as willing to compromise and yet we still have all the powers of a minority.

How is that terrible? Perfect, no, but did we honestly expect perfect? I would have loved to see a line drawn in the sand and the Dems take down the repugs but barring that...we have our dignity and morals intact and the repugs have really pissed off the neocons, Christian Taliban and the White House.

[AlGore-08.com]

19. And who really thinks that the GOP will not use that preemptively?

They are going to scream bloody murder if we even look cross-eyed at their wing nut Extreme Court nominees. "SO WHAT IF OUR NOMINEE IS A CONVICTED AXE-MURDERER!! THAT'S NOT EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES AND YOU KNOW IT!!!"

Also, I don't buy this being devastating to Frist's 2008 campaign. The GOP, unlike us, run to please their base. Frist promised the wing nuts Owen, and he got them Owen. McCain is going to take the hit on this one, for compromising when Frist was standing firm for "Christian judges" (whatever). Gingrich has already been using McCain's willingness to compromise against him in NH, and it's hurting his poll numbers.

Also keep in mind, this is just round one. There is nothing - - nothing that makes this deal binding. Frist can drag us back to the nuclear brink at any point, and if the far right hassles them enough, they could cave.

At best, this is a temporary reprieve, and an extremely minor victory.

[Vincardog]

4. The GOP is the one caving in. Frist did not have the votes.

He is toast. The deal does not limit the right to 'Extended Debate'.
It only says it will be used it extreme circumstances.

[snowbear]

7. Hardball said this is (((BAD))) news for Frist...

So how can it be all that bad for us? ;)

[AzDar]

10. I'm not sure I understand...If the Cat-boy didn't have the votes, why did

we cut a deal?

[Pacifist Patriot]

11. I got that impression too. But I also feel that "extreme circumstances"

can be translated as "Supreme Court."

[Pacifist Patriot]

8. From what I can tell, and I'm no political analyst...

that is precisely what has NOT happened. I get the feeling the Democrats are going to suck up whatever happens at all other levels but are reserving the right to block SC nominees. Works for me. At the moment, unfortunately, it's probably the best we can hope for.

[patricia92243]

12. So, the Republicans can "decide that a filibuster is too extreme and use

the nuclear option. And we got what? Did I miss it? Bush get his judges and we get what - did I miss it. gag, puke

[LittleClarkie]

17. How are they going to do that

if Frist couldn't pull it off this time, what make you think he can do it next time?

[Vincardog]

21. Do not forget that Frist is no going to be the GOP nominee in 08

[LittleClarkie]

24. fill in the "no"

"not"
or
"now"

[housewolf]

18. This was NOT a cave-in

the right-wingers are MUCH more upset about this than we are - they lost more than we did AND, most importatly, the did not emascualte us.

There will be votes on 3 of the 7 judges - Owen, Brown and Pryor. We still have the ability to filibuster in the future if the admin sends more extremist judges. There will be an attempt to consult with the admin to try to come to some agreement on nominating individuals who won't be so extreme.

The country has won and the senate has won. Each of the parties has lost a little.

We didn't cave. We held strong. Comopromise means giving something. Each side gave something. The Repubs gave more than we did.

[GreenPoet64]

20. Yep . . . the RW is NOT happy . . .

they didn't want compromise--they wanted total control.

[AlGore-08.com]

22. Is there any count that shows those three won't pass?

I'm pretty sure that they have the votes to pass these three in an "up or down" vote. I'm willing to be wrong...

[housewolf]

28. I don't know...

it's possible there will be a party-line vote and they'll pass. It's also possible some of the moderate repubs have considered their opinion on them - but I don't really know. I'm sure we'll hear more later today and tomorrow.

[LittleClarkie]

25. I think they wanted that absolute power pretty badly

and now they still don't have it. The sore winners are still sore. They wanted us crushed. We're still standing. Sorry 'bout that freepers.

[housewolf]

27. Frist is really the big loser here

he now has a pack of angry dogs at his heels. They've been lusting after our blood and they're not getting it... will they go after his now?

[GreenArrow]

26. three judges that had already been voted

DOWN.

[Sapphire Blue]

23. Congress is now an extension of the executive branch. The judiciary will

soon become an extension of the executive branch.

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