Does Kerry's sudden success have anything to do with Skull & Bones?

[romantico]

COuld this be why Bush is afraid of him? MAybe he fears Kerry more than anyone else for this reason.Your thoughts?

[boxster]

1. Nope.

Kerry effectively counters Bush's false military bravado. That is plenty of reason for Bush to be afraid of a Kerry nomination.

[JohnKleeb]

2. Could it be that Kerry has campaigned nicely as of late?

Seriously, I've seen him out there on CSPAN campaigning and people like him, and hes good with a crowd. Maybe not some people's cup of tea but I like him.

[DJcairo]

3. Yes it does, and NASA never sent anyone to the moon

It was all a conspiracy. Hello, my name is Mel Gibson

[wyldwolf]

4. YES!

I was decreed in a mystic ceremony around a keg of beer that Kerry would one day rise and lead this country should Bush fail - all the while carrying out the secret Skull and Bones agenda for world domination...

[curse10]

5. Definately

because skulls and bones actually has control over every country in the world. They have implanted us all with chips that, when activated, make us only want to like and vote in Skulls and Bones members. :eyes:

[Comadreja]

6. Geronimo's skull?

Seems I heard that these effete sbobs arranged to become graverobbers and dug up the skull of Apache resistance leader Geronimo.

[snoochie]

14. They did

The evidence is sealed. But it's out there, and known.

Reportedly they have a lot of skulls, actually.

[ozone_man]

46. Prescott Bush.

GWB's grandfather and Nazi facilitator stole Geronimo's skull.

[Valjean]

61. Doesn't matter

According to reports, the Bonesman die from our world and are reborn into the world of Bones. They refer to non-Bonesman as "Barbarians".

So good old Prescott was only digging up the skull of a mindless Barbarian.

Even if he DIDN'T believe it, I don't want a President that ever engaged in this mumbo jumbo foolery.

Also, it would be interesting to know exactly WHAT item Bush and Kerry's respective initiate classes stole as tribute to their pagan goddess.

[incapsulated]

7. aaarrrggghhh!

Shoot me now!

:bounce:

[blm]

8. Nope. Too many of you miscalculated the influence of firefighters and vets

post 9-11.

Internet message boards are not as reflective of the real world and their reactions to candidates. Kerr's lebgthy records as a Democrat who fought for progressive values, his ads and the influence of firefighters and vets made the day.

[lastknowngood]

9. Yes with his connections

the angry outburst he had on the bus was barely mentioned CNN, the Conservative news network, and msgop are protecting him. Dean wasn't even angry and we had 24/7 screaming crazy Dean coverage. Kerry was really angry and screaming at his staff and it gets no coverage.
It ain't hard to do the math.

[JI7]

11. why was he angry ?

is there video of it ?

[lastknowngood]

13. after the debate

had to push his way through the press mess and when he got in the bus he was screaming and throwing around stuff. Very understandable however there is an obvious double standard.

[snoochie]

17. Is this the "Where are my boots?!" incident?

I read something about that somewhere... was there video / audio?

[incapsulated]

21. heehee

This actually sounds funny, I'd like to see it. He always had cranky side.

Kerry's a big guy, if he were screaming "where are my boots?!!" I would damn well find them.

[lastknowngood]

23. haven't seen video or heard Video

but if Dean had done this do we really believe it would not be mentioned on the news. Wake up people money and control of the media are destroying our country. I'm a Dean/Clark supporter I will vote against Bush, but I would not be voting for Kerry but against Bush.

[JI7]

34. yes, i would like video/audio also

.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

10. Of Course, Didn't You Get the Memo?

It clearly said that all of us were supposed to activate our cells in Iowa and order them all to vote for Kerry, thus creating a huge Kerry win that our cells in the media would duly report like the obedient lapdogs they are.

Our cells in NH are also working full-time, so expect a big Kerry win there, too.

Oh wait. You mean you're not S&B?

This message will self-destruct in 10...9...8...

DTH

[lastknowngood]

18. the big Kerry win

was likely do to a large repug influence. Note the turnout was about twice last time. Along with the Kerry Gerhardt/DK Edwards 4 men against Dean mess.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

29. There Was No "Large Repug Influence" in Iowa

Check the entrance poll data. Republicans did not turn out in the bitter cold to schlep it for hours in a hostile room just to try to nominated a candidate who would probably be more electable against Bush than some others.

DTH

[progressivebydesign]

47. How do you know that for a fact?

Caucuses are ripe for abuse. You don't have to show anything proving you're a Democrat. Just sign a paper. I'm not saying that it happened in large numbers.. but I'm realistic. When Republicans willingly vote in open primarys for the weakest Democratic candidate, nationwide, why in the world would they not go to a caucus and do the same. I remember a line from a Dean blog in Iowa. The Dean people took it as a good thing, that we were bringing out the Republicans for Dean. The story was that a man looked over to see someone he knew there and said, "since when were YOU a Democrat?". There were tons of stories about people who were believed to be Republicans, seemingly coming out for the Democrats.

I don't think it was part of a Republican S&B conspiracy. But I think some things like that were done to knock Dean out. He's the one Bush fears the most. That's why he's attacked the most.

So.. if Kerry outranks Bush in S&B world.. will the White House and press lay off of him? This is just too wierd and creepy to even consider, but I know these things are a fact of political life, and has been that way forever, in all countries.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

64. Statistical Significance

First, given the circumstances, it would be incredibly difficult to motivate any statistically significant number of Republicans to vote in the Democratic caucuses.

Second, your contention that Dean is the Republicans' biggest fear is contradicted by just about every Republican pundit out there, and if you take a stroll through Free Republic (sickening, I know), you'll also see that just about all of the mouth-breathers there are dying to run against Dean.

Are they right? Who knows? Maybe Dean would surprise. But the reality is, in terms of perception, the Republican leadership and rank-and-file both appear to view Dean as their easiest opponent.

Third, the entrance polling does not show any significant number of Republicans. Those that came, probably split their votes among various people. If there truly was a concerted effort to throw Republican votes toward one guy (which I dispute), there's no way it could've been kept secret, we'd know all about it by now.

DTH

[Valjean]

66. On the contrary

I think the Caucus system is meant to ferret out spies and force people to be accountable for their votes.

Think about it. If old Bob Ferny is a MAJOR Bush fan but shows up at the Democratic primary, people are going to know.

[Sensitivity]

12. No. It has to do with Foot in Mouth -- of our man Dean.

[cheezus]

15. Kerry probably outranks Bush

I don't know how Skull and Bones works, but I'd imagine it creates some sort of Heirarchy. And I'd imagine that within the society Kerry did a lot better job than Bush. Maybe Kerry can just call up the White House and tell George to give himself a swirley, and he has to because of the law of the Bones.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

19. Kerry's family STARTED S&B and the Russell Trust

Of cousre he outranks Bush. Plus, the Bush family just got snubbed since they wouldn't let Jenna in.

"Kerry can just call up the White House and tell George to give himself a swirley, and he has to because of the law of the Bones"

That's the best way to make this a non-issue - pretend it's all about the college pranks and not the network of rich and powerful adults. That, and make sure you bring up aliens whenever it's discussed.

[jpgray]

25. Yeah, except the S&B society sounds like something from Junior High

Ooh, the Tomb is scary! There's a skull in there! Sinister!

:D

Again, no one can point out how S&B is any different from other Ivy League societies. Why? Becuase it isn't. People want to crap on Kerry, and if this is all they use, it's certainly entertaining for those of us with critical thinking skills. :toast:

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

31. the only difference between S&B and the other frats

Is that S&B is richer, more connected, older, and more secretive. Oh, and that S&B alumni have been involved in financing Hitler, the Bay of Pigs invasion, the invention of the bomb, the drug trade, etc. Other than that, it's just another frat with keggers and all.

"it's certainly entertaining for those of us with critical thinking skills"

Good too - make sure you mock those who bring it up too. We'll have a Skull vs. Bones election yet! Bad Cop S&B (Bush) vs. Good Cop S&B (Kerry).

After all, that's why America was founded - so we could be ruled by a bunch of aristocrats!

[jpgray]

36. Again, you fail to make your point

No other Ivy League folks from frats did ANY of those things? Try again, friend.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

49. and again, you fail to keep people from talking about it

Try again.

[jpgray]

53. Talk about it all you want, but I will still call it height of silliness

:hi:

[Valjean]

70. Skull & Bones is NOT a frat!!!!

Skull and Bones is a cult. A cult of wealthy SOBs who want to make themselves more wealthy.

From reports, alcohol isn't even ALLOWED in The Tomb. You cannot have a frat without alcohol ;-)

[Valjean]

69. Initiation Ceremonies

The purpose of an initiation rite is to make people accept gobbly-gook as common place. After they've accepted that bullshit nonsense, they are open to other forms of subversion by the groups leaders.

So it's not meant to be scary. It's meant to be awkward and weird.

Go read up on cults and you'll find out they ALL work this way.

[progressivebydesign]

48. I'd pay to see that swirley!!

Can we have a hidden camera when it happens?

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

16. Of course not! There is no such thing as Skull & Bones

There is no such thing as an elite fraternal organization of the wealthy powerful aristocratic families like Bush and Kerry, that network with each other and help each other gain positions of leadership and power. What, do you think there are Skull & Bones members in government and the media?

What crazy nonsense! You must be one of those conpiracy theories!

:eyes:

[jpgray]

20. LOL! Look who's back at it again. :-)

Please see any of the dozens of seventhson's threads where the illusion has been shattered.

S&B is like any other Ivy League org both in powerful connections and past members' bigotry and Hitler support. Hello? How many banks do you think invested in Hitler? Just those with S&B members? How many Ivy League frats have had representation in government and media? Just S&B? If not, what the hell are you going on about S&B for? The big difference is S&B is goofy as hell, not "secret" at all since it is all over the internet and a few published books. Christ, they even quote GHWB's sex escapades verbatim as confessed in the "secret" inner S&B chambers.

So what the hell are you going on about, man? You do give me a chuckle when I see your posts on this, though. Do you expect no one will come by to challenge your "facts"? :hi:

[lastknowngood]

28. investing in a bank is one thing

running a front for the Nazis is another. Harry Truman said the actions of Prescott Bush and Herbert Walker were akin to treason.

[jpgray]

They were the only two, then? (nt)

[bigtree]

32. I love this story

This is the one that ends with Bush back in Texas and John in the White House. Tell me more! :P

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

35. hey, I'm chuckling at your posts too!

"Do you expect no one will come by to challenge your "facts"?"

Which facts were those again? The fact that Kerry's a member? Has the fact been disputed? No one's challenging the facts. Everyone accepts the facts.

[jpgray]

40. Stop! You're killing me! :-)

Read my post again, or wait--I'll save you the trouble.

No one disputes these things:

-Kerry is a member of S&B.

-Ivy League societies supply a disproportionate amount of leaders in gov't, media, etc. Some of these leaders: were bad/racist; invested in bad stuff; were high up in government.

But what I don't see is something that makes S&B utterly unique and somehow more sinister than the other societes--Ivy League societies produce connections for bluebloods. Some bluebloods are asshats, but because they are bluebloods they become powerful asshats. I don't like the system, but just because someone is a member of said system doesn't mean they are bad. Take the Kennedys, for example.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

45. yes, that's the point, that's the problem

"Ivy League societies produce connections for bluebloods"

That's the problem, and S&B has been a LEADER in producing connections for bluebloods like Bush and Kerry, and that S&B alumni have been instrumental in covering up their crimes.

Have the other societies done that? If they have, they suck too.

[jpgray]

52. Yes, Ivy League frats are networking central

It goes without saying the most exclusive clubs will net the most exclusive conncetions and jobs. S&B is pretty exclusive. I don't much care for this system, but it is a fact of life, and just because the system is bad doesn't mean that everyone who benefits from it is bad as well. Howard Dean like Kerry was born with a silver spoon in his mouth and went to the Ivy League, but I still think he is a great candidate and support him. Ditto for Kerry. GWB, however, is an example of everything that is WRONG with the system, because he is worthless as a human being, but has a huge advantage from birth.

While Dean worked as a doctor and Kerry fought in Vietnam, Bush got jobs from his dad's pals and drank and snorted coke until they dusted him off for politics.

[progressivebydesign]

38. Hey.. we all ripped Bush on the S&B thing a few years ago..

And no one complained. I'm not saying that there is something wrong with Kerry. I DO wonder about the connection with him and S&B. I dare a reporter to ask him about that on camera, though. I'd be curious to see his response, or even in a debate.

Kerry is S&B, then that subject should be fair game here. It was for Bush. Why do we have a double standard for a Democrat?

Kerry will make a fine president. He has good credentials, and a steady demeanor. We've probably had other Democratic presidents with similar ties to organizations like S&B, but the point is.. we can't rip Bush over it (which we all did in 2000), then give a pass to a candidate because he's Democrat. It makes us look ridiculous.

[jpgray]

42. I won't say "shut up about it", but I will call it silly (nt)

[Valjean]

77. Bury it, COVERUP

Yes thats what you do with smelly shit. You bury it and cover it up. If it's no issue, Kerry should wear it as a badge of honor. He should sport a Bonesman pin on the lapel of his jacket. Every Kerry advert should carry the pirate skull and crossbones along with the ominous 322.

[Cocoa]

58. Tim Russert asked him about it

did you miss that, Russert pushed Rove's Skull and Bones disinfo on Meet the Press.

And the related disinfo about the thrown medals came up at the last debate.

[Valjean]

74. WRONG!!!!

How could you possibly "shatter" a myth when we really no nothing for sure about the inner workings of Skull & Bones.

All we know for sure is:

* They are an elite club composed largely of Yale legacies.
* Yale tried to get rid of them, but couldn't.
* The members of Skull & Bones were immune from the honor code. After the honor board challenged Skull & Bones, the honor code committee was dissolved.
* They own a private 7 acre island in the St Lawrence river.
* They harass and threaten reporters who investigate Skull & Bones.
* Skull & Bones members show up VERY prominently in the CIA.
* Skull & Bones members are at the highest levels of government, finance and media.
* The last three Skull & Bones presidents pursued policies destructive to the middle class and highly favorable to wealthy eastern families.


What does John Kerry have to say about the issue???

NO COMMENT. IT'S SECRET. YOU'RE NOT IMPORTANT ENOUGH TO KNOW BARBARIAN!!!!!

These are people who think they are above everyone else. If John Kerry did not embrace this message, he should have resigned from Skull & Bones after he found out what they were about.

Still it remains that John Kerry owes an unbreakable oath of secrecy to Skull & Bones. That oath is seemingly HIGHER than the presidential oath of office. That is UNACCEPTABLE to many Americans. If it WAS acceptable, John Kerry would be stumping on his membership in Skull & Bones.

The fact is that the matter has barely come up. The voters need to know and make their OWN decision on this issue.

And finally, if you don't think it's harmless, YOU should be pimping up Kerry's candidacy with his membership in Skull & Bones.

Vote for Bones, Vote for Kerry. The Bonesmen are smart and wise, vote for Kerry. Instead the issue is buried.

[progressivebydesign]

27. Great answer.. no S&B..

Actually, all joking aside. If someone wants to know more about S&B, read Fortunate Son.. I think that was the Bush book that details his escapades in the group, including the Geronimo story.

The Skull & Bones thing does still freak me out about Kerry. You know, it is possible to have a Democrat with those types of connections. They're all not Republicans, you know.

I have no idea what influence S&B have on Kerry. From my own personality.. I find Kerry to be a bit too subdued and mellow. Daily show did a funny bit where they showed Dean after coming in third with his energetic crowd speech, then Edwards being rather animated, Ted Kennedy introducing Kerry (Kennedy was screeching), then Jon Stewart says.. and the winner, and it's Kerry, talking slowly and totally mellow. It was a funny contrast. Maybe he could use some caffiene occasionally. Kerry should use some of that fire he seems to reserve for off camera, and put it into his on camera persona. I'm sure he'd make a great president. His demeanor is presidential, but on the campaign trail he needs to amp up a bit. I'm ABB.

[nightperson]

22. While we're at it,

how about wondering if fellow Yalie Dean is part of a deep-cover cell within S and B? Bush and Kerry are the "overt" guys doing the distracting, and Dean's the covert "NOC"? And of course Yale's secret societies just provide distracting cover for Harvard's (enter Gore). Much of this plan for rigging the upcoming election was decided when these men were in their early twenties. I'm so afraid, even though as a Kerry supporter I obviously am in on it and know what all of you are wearing right now. Quake on :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: !

[Abigail147]

24. Kerry's Recent Success

has more to do with old Senate alliances and his ties with the Democratic establishment. This is the candidate the media is pushing, along with Edwards, because they are respectable yet lack the necessary animus to push out of this plateau the old Democrats seem comfortable with. Edwards does not have the experience of one Senate term and he is a Ken doll. Kerry had twenty years, and while I respect and admire him, his time has passed.

[Terwilliger]

26. my thoughts? this is one of the most (*@&(&@(@ posts I've ever seen

talk about something relevant, ok?

[lastknowngood]

30. Why do you think were here

were all asses or we would have a life.

[progressivebydesign]

39. When you say, "asses", you mean Democratic Donkey, right? n/t

[Terwilliger]

57. speak for yourself

:D

[progressivebydesign]

33. But.. it is relevant.

Scores of DUers ranted for months about Bush's Skull & BOnes membership after (I think) Fortunate Son came out. We've all discussed it for years, regarding Bush. It was not considered a virtue. Because Kerry is a Democrat, we are to suspend our critical thinking skills about S&B. It was a legitimate question asked here. The S&B connection has earned Bush and his father, grandfather nothing but disdain on DU. It's a fair question, IMHO.

[Terwilliger]

56. Asking about Kerry's S&B connection is fine

suggesting that he's surging ahead, or that he won Iowa because of those connections is ludicrous

[peacetalksforall]

37. The S&B is no joking matter.

The more I learn about S&B, the more apalling it becomes. The S&B is not America. It is an elite, secretive, bonding society of people who look out for each other and by extrapolating, we know that it is most likely in ways of profit and control which is certainly their history.

We have other good candidates.

Protesting the Vietnam War on the grounds in front of the White House after he came back, fighting for the country, his work on various issues including BCCI - don't make up for his association with this organization.

This is serious stuff - we don't need any other S&B's running our lives.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

41. Maybe S&B is why Kerry covered up for Bush on Iran-Contra?

and the contras selling crack in the US during the 1980s? Maybe S&B is why Kerry left Gary Webb hanging out to dry when he published the evidence in the San Jose Mercury News?

Nah, what a crazy conspiracy theory! The real reason nothing happened is because Kerry is just a miserable failure that can't do jack about Bush.

[bigtree]

55. You would blame Sen. Kerry for republican obstinance on these issues

You would let them off of the hook in order to make your point about John. Even though he led the charge in these fights.

This groundless attack on the integrity of John Kerry has failed.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

63. Kerry left Gary Webb hanging out to dry

"Even though he led the charge in these fights."

And he failed miserably, if it was ever anything more than a coverup. Reading his conclusions, he basically didn't touch ANY top people.

"This groundless attack on the integrity of John Kerry has failed"

What has failed is Kerry - for all his talk about "leadership" he hasn't done jack shit about the Bush clan's crimes. I guess Kerry is just a miserable, ineffective failure.

[bigtree]

71. funny

That's what Bush's cronies wanted you to believe. That somehow, even though they commited these crimes, the ones who prosecuted them were the deficient ones.

Good job. You have sold me. Kerry exposed the crimes so that he could then cover them up. And the republican majority hasn't obfuscated or obstructed at all. Silly of me. :silly:

[jpgray]

65. Dude! I answered this question of yours days ago!

What is your problem? If I take the time out to answer your shit, stop spreading it around.

Kerry was TAKEN OFF the Iran/Contra committee after he did the investigative grunt work because the Dems and Repubs both said he was too "hot on" the trail. Now will you please stop spreading around this lie?

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

68. I invite anyone to research for themselves

Kerry didn't do JACK. His report was a joke - he didn't finger a single high level person, he completely let the intelligence agencies off the hook, and when more evidence sufaced - and was given WIDE publicity by the San Jose Mercury News - Kerry's only public statements were to DENOUNCE the new evidence.

So, stop spreading these lies please.

[bigtree]

75. Author: Gary Webb [Excerpted from "Dark Alliance"]

At the California State Library's Government Publications Section, 1 scoured the CSl indices, which catalog congressional hearings by topic and witness name. Meneses wasn't listed, but there had been a series of hearings back in 1987 and 1988, 1 saw, dealing with the issue of the Contras and cocaine: a subcommittee of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, chaired by Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts.

For the next six days I sat with rolls of dimes at a microfiche printer in the quiet wood-paneled recesses of the Library, reading and copying many of the 1,100 pages of transcripts and exhibits of the Kerry Committee hearings, growing more astounded each day. The committee's investigators had uncovered direct links between drug dealers and the Contras. Many of the Kerry Committee witnesses, I noted, later became U.S. Justice Department witnesses against Noriega.

Kerry and his staff had taken video-taped depositions from Contra leaders who acknowledged receiving drug profits, with the apparent knowledge of the CIA. The drug dealers had admitted under oath - giving money to the Contras, and had passed polygraph tests. The pilots had admitted flying weapons down and cocaine and marijuana back, landing in at least one in-stance at Homestead Air Force Base in Florida. The exhibits included U.S. Customs reports, FBI reports, internal Justice Department memos. It almost knocked me off my chair.

I called Jack Blum, the Washing-ton, D.C., attorney who'd headed the Kerry investigation, and he confirmed that Norwin Meneses had been an early target. But the Justice Department, he said, had stonewalled the committee's requests for information and he had finally given up trying to obtain the records, moving on to other, more productive areas. "There was a lot of weird stuff going on out on the West Coast, but after our experiences with Justice... we mainly concentrated on the cocaine coming into the East."


"It wasn't in the papers, for the most part," he said. 'The big papers stayed as far away from this issue as they could. It was like they didn't want to know."
http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v98.n527.a02.html/all


Sure sounds like conspiracy to me. A Justice Dept. conspiracy. Ask Webb.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

78. Sounds to me like Kerry left Webb hanging out to dry

I mean Kerry could have said something, he could have come to Webb's defense, he could have used his establishment credentials and connections - but he didn't.

Kerry is an ineffective leader and a miserable failure. If he is the president, we can expect more of the same.

Now as to your conpiracy theories, funny! :eyes:

[bigtree]

79. Where does Webb say that?

In his own words he confirms that the Kerry committee was furiously collecting evidence against Bush and his cronies. He indicated that it was the Justice Dept. that was obstructing. If you can't back up your charges, why even bother making them? Do you think people can't read the records for themselves? All of this innuendo would not hold up in a public debate. You need facts man! You are wallowing in the mud with all of the defenders of Bush against John Kerry. Without solid evidence, you only end up defining yourself.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

80. Are you missing some years here?

Kerry's "investigation" was in 88 I think, and Gary Webb's articles came out in 96...

When the issue was brought up, Kerry's only public comments (that I can find) just mentioned some conspiracy theories that he "debunked".

Kerry could have taken leadership - Kerry could have said - "I'm grateful for Webb for bringing this to the public's attention, after my investigation was squashed."

He didn't. Kerry's silence speaks volumes.

[bigtree]

81. Weak

you prove nothing. More innuendo. No more kicks on this without direct proof of any wrongdoing or inpropriety with regards to S&B. Good luck.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

82. Kerry is weak

He's been utterly and completely ineffective at doing anything about Bush. The fact he can't even say anything about the other people trying to expose Bush says enough.

Oh, and this has NOTHING to do with S&B, does it?

[bigtree]

44. Bush's grandmother was a bride's maid

at Howard Dean's mother's wedding. Geez, with all of the bullshit Bush has pulled . . . Hmmm, I wonder how close the Bushes and the Deans really are? I wonder . . .

[sistersofmercy]

60. It's in an article in Vogue this month, HD's father knew Papa Bush

and yes, there was a part about the grandmother connection. Good article.

[bigtree]

67. you know

You can wrestle with a pig
and both end up covered in mud,
but the pig will enjoy it

[peacetalksforall]

50. There is a distinction required for accessing

college and adult life. Anyone who refers to S&B as just a college prank is mistaken. It is a lifelong committment. College crap is just the beginning.

Kerry also voted for the killing. There is a grand contradiction here. A GRAND contradiction. All those lily-livered Democrats bought the cabal crap about the horrors of Hussein when they knew as well as we that the U.S. set him up years ago and just before 9-11 and since 9-11 and through the next election. Hussein is another political travesty because he was no worse than we are and some of our cabala' allies in various countries.

It's time to see the hypocrisy and the inner workings.

[Duder]

43. Probably not, but...

A letter in the Progressive Review puts it in perspective:

K A MARTIN, TX - 'As I watched Tim Russert on Meet The Press ask John Kerry about his membership and sworn secret oath in The Order of the Skull and Bones, I wonder why anyone would vote for the man after he's said, "I can't tell you that. . . it's a secret".

The president of the United States swears an oath of office to uphold the United States Constitution. A man who refuses to reveal a previous sworn oath while taking that oath, is engaging in an act of profound deceit. This man chose to join an organization which initiates its members through confession of their sexual histories so that the group has "dirt" on them should they ever try to break away from the organization's political agenda, ought to repel anyone considering him for President of The United States.

That this is the same organization which George W. Bush, his father, and five of his hand picked cabinet members belong to, ought to make every American question whether they would like to begin again in America with "I can't tell you that. . . it's a secret".

Some people say "Oh it's just an innocent fraternity." If it's so innocent, one would think that someone who's serious about becoming the President of the United States would simply reveal the "innocent" sworn oath and get on with it. Instead, like George W. Bush, he refuses to reveal his secret allegiance and is under orders to physically leave the room if questions persist. I will never vote for a man who's highest allegiance is not to the United States of America and its Constitution and neither should you.'

[bigtree]

51. False concern

Or, if you care so much to inform us then please provide direct evidence that proves John Kerry did anything illegal, wrong, or immoral in connection with anything that relates to Skull and Bones.

And, most importantly, do it without a conservative or republican source.

Until you or any other posters on this come up with more than innuendo and accusations, your charges will never be seen as anything more than self-serving sensationalism.

[Duder]

54. "If it's so innocent,

...one would think that someone who's serious about becoming the President of the United States would simply reveal the "innocent" sworn oath and get on with it."

[bigtree]

59. I'll tell you if you promise not to tell the other guys

:silly:

[Duder]

62. I'd rather hear it from...

Kerry. :)

[nightperson]

76. Wouldn't some of you

like to hear about the "inner workings" and general omnipotence of S and B from "plain-speaking" Yale grad Howard Dean? How come he hasn't revealed the awful truth? Is he so afraid? Is he still mad he didn't get asked to join? :mad: :grr: :nuke: Ohhhhh, if only he could access the inner workingssssssss...!

[Valjean]

83. Furthermore

If it's innocent, they should be using it as a campaign stump. Look I'm a member of the Skull & Bones Honor society. See how accomplished I am.

No, instead Kerry just ducks the question along with the question about DID he throw his medals over that wall. That event made him a HERO amongst veterans. But apparently he KEPT HIS medals.

[eileen_d]

72. Iowa is such a HOTBED of Skull & Bones activity...

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Gotta go - secret conclave tonight!

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[curse10]

73. Warning: hit and run post!!

:eyes:

[paulk]

84. I'm partial to the "space ray" theory, myself

You know, the ones coming from the base the aliens have on the moon?

It's been bombarding us with a subliminal "vote Kerry vote Kerry" for a couple of weeks now, and will continue to do so through November. Why else do you think Bush wants to go to the moon?

Seriously. Think about it.