I'm Coming Around to Hilary in '08

[NashVegas]

Reasons:

1. The RW and BFEE will make themselves uglier than ever to the average, non-hating American.

2. Health Care Crisis: thanks to all the Hilary-bashing in 93-94, Americans equate, love her or hate her, Hilary as someone who tried to do something about it before things got out of hand. That's a huge lever, that foresight.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

1. Forget 2008

The most important questions now are

1) Who can knock out incumbent or retiring Republicans in the House and Senate in 2006 and hang on to seats that are currently in Democratic hands?

2) What about fair and honest voting?

If we can't deal with both of those questions, it doesn't matter who we nominate in 2008: Zell Miller or Dennis Kucinich or anyone in between.

I wish people would just stop obsessing about 2008. The most likely nominee is Someone We've Never Heard Of.

[zulchzulu]

12. As of right now, we already LOST 2008, 2012, 2016, 2020, 2024...

Until we get real election reform accomplished, why even run a candidate in 2008? All the Repugs own all the BBV machines...democracy is currently in the operating room and looking guant.

[billbuckhead]

2. I think there is going to be a lot of Clinton nostalgia real soon

There's a certain professional toughness to her.

[Clark2008]

3. Check your anti-brainwashing serum...

and get back to us.

:hi:

[NashVegas]

Oh Honey I Have

Two of my asshat, dysfunctional co-workers already own No Hilary t-shirts.

Something about it just makes me feel all fuzzy & devious inside.

[zulchzulu]

4. Um....when Fox News wants her BAD...um...you might wanna...yunno...

[NashVegas]

6. Screw Fox News

Let them do their worst. Gotta figure, after Whitewater, Hil's been investigated up the ying-yang already.

[zulchzulu]

9. They only control the Media...but yunno...yeah...whatever...

You can bet Fox news would LOVE nothing more than to have Hillary as the Democratic nominee and maybe even brew up some leftie third party wannabe to ensure an absolute 2008 Repug "victory".

[usregimechange]

5. No Hillary.

[FrenchieCat]

7. I can see it now....

GOP bashing Hillary for her last try at health care. Don't think they don't have that smear all ready and set to go! They have so much ink stored (articles galore)as to when the GOP went crazy on her the last time....and the corporate media will play, just like they played when it was John Kerry's turn!

The GOP is salivating....just at the thought of going into the memory hole for a bit of "stuff" to throw round. But they'll patiently wait till she's got the nom...a la Kerry!

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/forum/may96/background/health_debate_page2.html
November 1, 1993 - Hillary Clinton launches a scathing attack against the insurance industry to counter the highly damaging "Harry and Louise" ads. She accuses the industry of greed and deliberately lying about the reform plan in order to protect its profits. She specifically denounces the ads' claim that the Clinton plan "limits choice." Rarely, if ever, has a First Lady publicly attacked any American industry or industry group -- and certainly never in such strong language and in such a furious manner. Her assault makes front-page newspaper stories, network TV news shows, and calls more attention to HIAA's role and message.

The success of HIAA ads give an immense boost to the organization's fund-raising. In the space of a few weeks, the budget for the campaign expands fivefold from $4 million to $20 million. In the end, HIAA raises and spends about $30 million more than its normal annual operating budget of $20 million -- a grand total of almost $50 million to the lobbying effort. The money HIAA accumulates for the fight pays not only for the Harry and Louise ads but also for a grassroots campaign that dwarfs anything the interest group has ever done. The effort produces more than four hundred fifty thousand contacts with Congress -- phone calls, visits, or letters -almost a thousand to every member of the House and Senate.
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Late January 1994 - A critically influential -- and intensely controversial -- pair of articles appears on the Wall Street Journal's conservative editorial page and in the liberal New Republic. Written by an obscure staffer of the conservative Manhattan Institute, the fear-mongering articles paint a devastating account of the impact of the Clinton plan. The White House, and other independent experts, say the articles are filled with patent falsehoods and distortions. Notwithstanding the criticism, the articles become highly influential, especially in conservative circles. Newt Gingrich will later characterize them as "the first decisive breakpoint" in support for the Clinton plan.

http://www.gargaro.com/healthcare.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton
The most important item on Clinton's legislative agenda, however, was a complex health care reform plan, the result of a taskforce headed by Hillary Clinton, aimed at achieving universal coverage. Though initially well-received, it was ultimately doomed by well-organized opposition from conservatives and the health insurance industry, who urged Americans to read the actual details of the plan. It was the first major legislative defeat of Clinton's administration.

[LittleClarkie]

8. They were pretty fucking ugly this last time

and it didn't do a wee bit o' good. I was so astonished that no one could see how fugly they were.

[Mojambo]

10. Pretty interesting article on Hillary in the current Nation.

http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20050606&s=sargent

[sendero]

11. I dunno...

.... that's a tough one. I don't really care for Hillary's stance on the issues, but I'd happily get behind her once convinced she could win.

I'm just afraid that she'd mobilize the right wing so effectively, but maybe not the left. That's not a good way to win elections.

That said, if she did win it would piss the pukes off so much - that would be more than icing on the cake! :)

[wisteria]

13. Not me.

I would certainly like to see a woman be elevated to President of the U.S.,ust not Hillary. She doesn't deserve it. Just because her husband was our president and she ran and won one easy senate race against a real non-opponent does not qualify her for the highest office in the land. I don't care how much she is promoted or pushed, I will push back with a no vote. I think she should stay in the senate or run for Governor.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

14. Republicans thinking about Hillary:

"Oh, please, B'rer Democrat, do anything you want, but PLEASE don't run anybody but Hillary in 2008!"

[Singular73]

15. Hillary will lose in 08

Run Biden.

Its not the right time for Hillary.

[FrenchieCat]

16. Biden?

Why Biden? When I hear him talk, I feel like fingernails are scratching on a blackboard. Especially when he talks tough....cause for him, it's all a show.

Used to watch him on Charley Rose on the run up to the war. Did I tell you that I felt like slapping the plugs out of his sanctimoneous head?

[IndianaGreen]

18. Biden? The plagiarizer? The neolib?

I rather take Hillary, at least she has real hair on her head!

[yourout]

17. I'm not.

Hillary is not the answer.

[Donna Zen]

19. Knee deep in Hillary propaganda

Plenty of threads around including Fox, Barbara Bush, and a new puff piece by the Nation.

Get on board before you miss out on the new permanent bases and yet another war.

Her handlers admitted that raising money would be hard because people thought she would lose. She will lose, but damn the propaganda machine in now 24/7.

[applegrove]

20. Yup. Both Clinton's look ahead. And they care about the average

worker.

[Miss Chybil]

21. I'm with you. Hillary in 2008. nt