I need an answer..Could this be another "memogate"? What is Fox's agenda?

[seriousstan]

What EXACTLY is the traceable origins of this memo? How many of these sources will stand and proclaim they are the direct evidence of authenticity? I really need to know.

I have seen where this is from top Blair aide Matthew Rycroft. Is he acknowledging this?

I also have seen the downingstreetmemo.com site and it's evidence for authenticity. Nobody seems to be standing up.

As in the elections, do we have a willing witness?

[berni_mccoy]

1. No, this will not be another memogate

The British Gov't acknowledge the authenticity of the minutes. And don't forget, the British Gov't has admitted to PROVOKING IRAQ by SECRETLY ATTACKING them with the U.S. (see http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1632566,00.html )

If that's not enough evidence to impeach Bush, then we may as well call him King George right now.

[Melodybe]

2. link doesn't work

but for some reason none of my links to the times online have worked lately.

[berni_mccoy]

3. Sorry, fixed now.

[seriousstan]

4. Show me a link to the British Gov't acknowledgment.

Point me to a link of these "minutes". I read your link before.It is filled with several extracted quotes... “regime change” ... “the US had already begun ‘spikes of activity’ to put pressure on the regime"...“degrade” and “serious consequences”. All of these are disjointed quotes and offer me no direct link of authenticity. Is there someone who is willing to stand up and vouch for this memo?

[berni_mccoy]

6. Here's the link

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/05/11/britain.war.memo/

When asked directly about the memo, neither British nor U.S. officials have denied it... that usually means only one thing...

[seriousstan]

9. Where is the British Gov't acknowledgment? I see a guy named "C"

Hardly a stand up guy. I am sick of being taken by memos off the web. Show me a tangible witness. Not innuendo about how non-answers only mean one thing. Non-answers keep people out of jail and make peoples careers.

What is absolute provable, someone saying "I wrote those notes" type proof? Is there a attributable source that will admit?

[Rainscents]

18. This is the best link!

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1593607,00.html

[berni_mccoy]

7. Here is the best summary of evidence regarding this

http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=5

[seriousstan]

10. She me the link for supportive evidence that this memo is real

[berni_mccoy]

11. Sorry, you'll have to ask the reporter for their sources

So, to correct an earlier statement, I don't *believe* this to be another memogate. The reason I believe this to be is that the memo came out against Blair (not Bush) to hurt Blair's campaign, was released by Downing Street itself (it *is* an official document), neither British nor U.S. officials have denied the authenticity of the document, and more than one news organization is carrying the story.

[berni_mccoy]

14. Ok, here you go, the BBC reported it WHEN it happened

During the Prime Minister campaign.

"the leaked and subsequently publication by Downing Street..." So, when the memo was leaked, Downing Street released the official document.

I don't know how you can get more authentic than that.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/vote_2005/frontpage/4506943.stm

[seriousstan]

23. You are confusing your facts, the memo WAS NOT released by Downing Street

By your own link, "The leaking and subsequent publication by Downing Street of the early advice by Lord Goldsmith has reignited the row over the legality of the war."

Here is the legal advice
of March 7 that you referenced.....
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/28_04_05_attorney_general.pdf.


I believe these kinds of error will lead us to another "memogate" and further ridicule. If this is the best proof for the leaked memo, I do not feel confidant.

[LittleClarkie]

5. We had a little old lady vouching for the authenticity of the last memo

plus others who said that it was consistent with what had been said at the time.

But still, when the memo itself turned out to be a fake, we were done.

I hope the minutes themselves don't turn out to be fake.

I missed this. Fox is covering it? Getting sick of waiting for the Dems to take the bait?

Something's wrong. Something's very wrong if Fox is covering this story. I have a very bad feeling about that.

[Melodybe]

8. Fox covered it on their website, quietly I might add

Now if Limbosevic, O'really, and Sean Pukity start talking it up, get worried.

The author is actually kinda cool, she covered the New Freedom Comission stuff and railed on the administration. At the moment it would seem like Fox has one good apple.

[LittleClarkie]

12. How did that happen?

Hide her quickly before they discover her!

[bling bling]

13. If the Dem's know something about this that we don't, then they need to

speak up. I know they are capable of talking to us, because they always manage to find a way to e-mail me for donations.

Anyway, 88 other members of Congress did sign Conyers letter to Bush.

There's something wrong with the Dem's that they aren't SCREAMING AT THE TOP OF THEIR LUNGS about this memo. I'm very troubled by the lack of attention this is getting. For the Republicans to ignore it is one thing, and I would expect that, but for the Dem's to be silent and the MSM to not even touch it is eating me up and making me enraged with anger.

[LittleClarkie]

16. I don't think it's what they KNOW that's bothering them

It's what they don't know that's bothering them. Is it a trap? Do they want us to take the bait? Is this source going to turn on us like the Newsweek source turned on their reporter?

[berni_mccoy]

17. The British Gov't is the source

See my post # 14 above.

[LittleClarkie]

20. And someone in the American Government was Newsweek's source

Hence.

[berni_mccoy]

21. The difference here

is that the British government released the ACTUAL document verifying the contents of the leaked memo. Our gov't leaked a fake memo that was actually true to discredit the truth!

[LittleClarkie]

22. Making cartoon noises now

ieieieieieie.

Okay, I'm better now. That last sentence gave me a brain cramp. Oh that wacky goverment of ours.

[bling bling]

19. I see your point.

I wish, though, that at least one or two of the Dem's would go to the media and talk about this and mention Conyers letter. It would be a lot easier to get people to sign that if we had the media than just doing it all by ourselves.

[yebrent]

15. Another possibility

While over at Faux, I decided to peek around and found this in the Opinion section.

U.S. Has Long History of Waging Wrong Wars

Another surprising piece at Faux, and this one has zero possibility of a set up. I already started another thread on it HERE

[sam sarrha]

24. Murdock is seeing the danger in Bu$h's Dementia, more valuable a Martyr

than a president... he is now a liability.. his cover is blown.. as a Martyr it will be inappropriate to talk about his failings.. so i feel they will off him to cut their losses. The next grenade Chaney throws wont be a dud.:hide: