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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 01:27 AM
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Bush Diagnosed with Narcissistic Personality Disorder
I think a headline like this would help us begin the recovery from 4 1/2 years of dwelling with an abusive despot, wouldn't it?

But seriously, I wish more Americans would discuss NPD. Not only would many Americans discover what in the heck was wrong with that snow-job artist that cost them that promotion two years ago, but also would better understand our Malignant Narcissist in Chief.

Here's what the DSM-IV describes as NPD:

1. a grandiose sense of self-importance
2. is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
3. believes that he or she is "special" and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)
4. requires excessive admiration
5. has a sense of entitlement, ie unreasonable expectations of especially favourable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations
6. is interpersonally exploitative, ie takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends
7. lacks empathy and is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others
8. is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her
9. shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes

Or get a fuller description here:

http://www.halcyon.com/jmashmun/npd/dsm-iv.html

Writer.
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kodi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 01:30 AM
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1. How dare you accuse our dear Maximum Leader of such things.
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democracyindanger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 01:35 AM
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2. Holy crap--Bush is my dad?
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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 01:38 AM
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3. I... am...
your...

Chimp!
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expatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 01:48 AM
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4. Holy crap... I suffer severely from six of the nine qualifiers....
Edited on Wed Jun-01-05 01:48 AM by expatriot
and the other three I have the extreme opposite condition.

I suffer from:
1-4 and 8-9 ( In #8 I do not feel that others are envious of me)

I "suffer" from the extreme opposite of Qualifiers 5-7,

I am overly-empathetic to the point of imagining that one is suffering when they are not and "transposing" my own suffering onto others.

I have that "white guilt" of feeling completely undeserving of my ancestoral and environmental entitlements of privilege.

And I let others take advantage of me.

Oh, I am a good liberal.

NOW ADMIRE ME DAMN IT. (just kidding.... kind of.)




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FizzFuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 03:03 AM
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5. Ha! I'm so proud of myself--I was screaming this years ago!!
Edited on Wed Jun-01-05 03:15 AM by FizzFuzz
:bow: :curtsy:

Seriously, for more info, really extensive readings, google on Dr Sam Vaknin. He has NPD and has made it his life's mission to inform and help the victims of people with NPD.

I learned all I needed to know with a BPD/Histrionic mother; several relationships with psychopaths, a BPD person and the last, a real NPD person.

The NPD guy is a coworker too, a predator in the workplace, a webstalker, and a frothing at the mouth Bushite online. At work he pretends to be...well, whatever his target will be fooled by. Pretended to be a spiritual progressive with me.

So, yeah, I knew right away what smirky's game is.

On edit: NPD bears alot of similarities with psychopathy, from what I understand. ONe thing really interesting I read is that psychopaths often show speech anomalies!!! Mixing up metaphors, inabiltiy to discuss matters of emotion (awkwardness and mistakes--they have no experience of emotion--except anger and self-pity--and no empathy, so when trying to mimic these human emotions, they stumble. Ever notice that turdweasel speaks just fine when he's talking of hate, anger and agressiveness. I notice he enjoys his lying too; when asked about contradictions between his promises and actions, he really gets into flagrant lies, twisting the question, expounding on his greatness and using embarrassing jibes at the questioner. Ever notice how he gets into his lies, like they turn him on? Psychopath/NPD

Psychopaths and Narcissists inspire blind loyalty or enraged disgust in the people around them according to my readings.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 03:17 AM
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6. Also called "Assholism."
:D

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FizzFuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 03:35 AM
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8. LOL!! Tru, Dr Swampy!!
I affirm that diagnosis.

howyadoin,eh? :hi:

Have I mentioned how much I hate this guy? And all his little minions.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 03:39 AM
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9. Good, and you?
Celebrating my last night of vacation before Summer school... I'm dreading a monster statistics class. :scared:

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FizzFuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 03:50 AM
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10. Ha I'm on break too
I work at a college.

so. statistics. my. how...nice. (desperately searching for encouraging words.)
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nope not coming up with any encouraging words there. Statistics. Your brain will probably turn gangrenous.
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sorry.
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FizzFuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 03:54 AM
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11. heheh this pic is a scream btw
And, now, I think I've finally hit the wall of exhaustion Its 5 am here for godsake. :crazy:

Good Night! You take care and have a great day :hi:
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 03:57 AM
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12. Boa noite!
abraço :hug:
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 08:28 AM
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14. I agree completely
Once you become familiar with NPD it's very easy to see how Smirky fits the model. NPD is real, is fairly common, and it is often present in what we view as destructive co-dependent relationships.

I also believe that narcissist personalities attract and support others like them and that a significant percentage of the government has this disorder. It is possible to be highly "functional" in our society with NPD, and often these individuals are admired as huge successes. But their personal agenda is all about exploitation--they thrive on it and need it as much as a vampire needs blood. They must feel they get the best of every situation and their grasping greed knows no bounds. This is not your ordinary kind of ambition. It is a sick need. This disorder is very resistant to change, since of course, nothing feels wrong. The narcissist subject strives to protect their elevated sense of themselves at all costs. For those in their orbits or suffering from them (as our country is today) it is not healthy or productive to pander to them in any way. The more you give or compromise, the more they will take. When crossed they are ruthless and swift in retaliation. They ONLY understand 'hardball' tactics. You can waste a lot of time treating them as though they have 'normal' emotions.

It is necessary for those who are in close contact with NPD people on a daily basis to protect themselves...but what are we going to do with a whole government full of them? Our society rewards them. The spell can only be broken by the strongest kind of opposition.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 03:29 AM
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7. Diagnosis
CounterPunch

October 11, 2002

Addiction, Brain Damage and the President "Dry Drunk" Syndrome and George W. Bush

by KATHERINE van WORMER

http://www.counterpunch.org/wormer1011.html


From Capitol Hill Blue

Bush Leagues

Prominent DC Shrink Diagnoses Bush to be a Paranoid, Sadistic Meglomaniac

By Staff and Wire Reports
Jun 14, 2004, 00:22

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi?archive=32&num=4687&printer=1


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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 05:57 AM
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13. Dry Drunk Syndrome...Addiction, Brain Damage and the President
Edited on Wed Jun-01-05 05:59 AM by ElsewheresDaughter
http://www.counterpunch.org/wormer1011.html

Ordinarily I would not use this term. But when I came across the article "Dry Drunk" - - Is Bush Making a Cry for Help? in American Politics Journal by Alan Bisbort, I was ready to concede, in the case of George W. Bush, the phrase may be quite apt.

Dry drunk is a slang term used by members and supporters of Alcoholics Anonymous and substance abuse counselors to describe the recovering alcoholic who is no longer drinking, one who is dry, but whose thinking is clouded. Such an individual is said to be dry but not truly sober. Such an individual tends to go to extremes.

It was when I started noticing the extreme language that colored President Bush's speeches that I began to wonder. First there were the terms-- "crusade" and "infinite justice" that were later withdrawn. Next came "evil doers," "axis of evil," and "regime change", terms that have almost become clichés in the mass media. Something about the polarized thinking and the obsessive repetition reminded me of many of the recovering alcoholics/addicts I had treated. (A point worth noting is that because of the connection between addiction and "stinking thinking," relapse prevention usually consists of work in the cognitive area). Having worked with recovering alcoholics for years, I flinched at the single-mindedness and ego- and ethnocentricity in the President's speeches. (My husband likened his phraseology to the gardener character played by Peter Sellers in the movie, Being There). Since words are the tools, the representations, of thought, I wondered what Bush's choice of words said about where he was coming from. Or where we would be going.

First, in this essay, we will look at the characteristics of the so-called "dry drunk;" then we will see if they apply to this individual, our president; and then we will review his drinking history for the record. What is the dry drunk syndrome? "Dry drunk" traits consist of:

Exaggerated self-importance and pomposity
Grandiose behavior
A rigid, judgmental outlook
Impatience
Childish behavior
Irresponsible behavior
Irrational rationalization
Projection
Overreaction
Clearly, George W. Bush has all these traits except exaggerated self importance. He may be pompous, especially with regard to international dealings, but his actual importance hardly can be exaggerated. His power, in fact, is such that if he collapses into paranoia, a large part of the world will collapse with him. Unfortunately, there are some indications of paranoia in statements such as the following: "We must be prepared to stop rogue states and their terrorist clients before they are able to threaten or use weapons of mass destruction against the United States and our allies and friends." The trait of projection is evidenced here as well, projection of the fact that we are ready to attack onto another nation which may not be so inclined.

Bush's rigid, judgmental outlook comes across in virtually all his speeches. To fight evil, Bush is ready to take on the world, in almost a Biblical sense. Consider his statement with reference to Israel: "Look my job isn't to try to nuance. I think moral clarity is important... this is evil versus good."

Bush's tendency to dichotomize reality is not on the Internet list above, but it should be, as this tendency to polarize is symptomatic of the classic addictive thinking pattern. I describe this thinking distortion in Addiction Treatment: A Strengths Perspective as either/or reasoning-- "either you are with us or against us." Oddly, Bush used those very words in his dealings with other nations. All-or-nothing thinking is a related mode of thinking commonly found in newly recovering alcoholics/addicts. Such a worldview traps people in a pattern of destructive behavior.

Obsessive thought patterns are also pronounced in persons prone to addiction. There are organic reasons for this due to brain chemistry irregularities; messages in one part of the brain become stuck there. This leads to maddening repetition of thoughts. President Bush seems unduly focused on getting revenge on Saddam Hussein ("he tried to kill my Dad") leading the country and the world into war, accordingly.

Grandiosity enters the picture as well. What Bush is proposing to Congress is not the right to attack on one country but a total shift in military policy: America would now have the right to take military action before the adversary even has the capacity to attack. This is in violation, of course, of international law as well as national precedent. How to explain this grandiose request? Jane Bryant Quinn provides the most commonly offered explanation in a recent Newsweek editorial, "Iraq: It's the Oil, Stupid." Many other opponents of the Bush doctrine similarly seek a rational motive behind the obsession over first, the war on terror and now, Iraq. I believe the explanation goes deeper than oil, that Bush's logic is being given too much credit; I believe his obsession is far more visceral.

On this very day, a peace protestor in Portland held up the sign, "Drunk on Power." This, I believe, is closer to the truth. The drive for power can be an unquenchable thirst, addictive in itself. Senator William Fulbright, in his popular bestseller of the 1960s, The Arrogance of Power, masterfully described the essence of power-hungry politics as the pursuit of power; this he conceived as an end in itself. "The causes and consequences of war may have more to do with pathology than with politics," he wrote, "more to do with irrational pressures of pride and pain than with rational calculation of advantage and profit."

Another "dry drunk" trait is impatience. Bush is far from a patient man: "If we wait for threats to fully materialize," he said in a speech he gave at West Point, "we will have waited too long." Significantly, Bush only waited for the United Nations and for Congress to take up the matter of Iraq's disarmament with extreme reluctance.

Alan Bisbort argues that Bush possesses the characteristics of the "dry drunk" in terms of: his incoherence while speaking away from the script; his irritability with anyone (for example, Germany's Schröder) who dares disagree with him; and his dangerous obsessing about only one thing (Iraq) to the exclusion of all other things.

In short, George W. Bush seems to possess the traits characteristic of addictive persons who still have the thought patterns that accompany substance abuse. If we consult the latest scientific findings, we will discover that scientists can now observe changes that occur in the brain as a result of heavy alcohol and other drug abuse. Some of these changes may be permanent. Except in extreme cases, however, these cognitive impairments would not be obvious to most observers.

To reach any conclusions we need of course to know Bush's personal history relevant to drinking/drug use. To this end I consulted several biographies. Yes, there was much drunkenness, years of binge drinking starting in college, at least one conviction for DUI in 1976 in Maine, and one arrest before that for a drunken episode involving theft of a Christmas wreath. According to J.D. Hatfield's book, Fortunate Son, Bush later explained:

"lcohol began to compete with my energies....I'd lose focus." Although he once said he couldn't remember a day he hadn't had a drink, he added that he didn't believe he was "clinically alcoholic." Even his father, who had known for years that his son had a serious drinking problem, publicly proclaimed: "He was never an alcoholic. It's just he knows he can't hold his liquor."

Bush drank heavily for over 20 years until he made the decision to abstain at age 40. About this time he became a "born again Christian," going as usual from one extreme to the other. During an Oprah interview, Bush acknowledged that his wife had told him he needed to think about what he was doing. When asked in another interview about his reported drug use, he answered honestly, "I'm not going to talk about what I did 20 to 30 years ago."

That there might be a tendency toward addiction in Bush's family is indicated in the recent arrests or criticism of his daughters for underage drinking and his niece for cocaine possession. Bush, of course, deserves credit for his realization that he can't drink moderately, and his decision today to abstain. The fact that he doesn't drink moderately, may be suggestive of an inability to handle alcohol. In any case, Bush has clearly gotten his life in order and is in good physical condition, careful to exercise and rest when he needs to do so. The fact that some residual effects from his earlier substance abuse, however slight, might cloud the U.S. President's thinking and judgment is frightening, however, in the context of the current global crisis.

One final consideration that might come into play in the foreign policy realm relates to Bush's history relevant to his father. The Bush biography reveals the story of a boy named for his father, sent to the exclusive private school in the East where his father's reputation as star athlete and later war hero were still remembered. The younger George's achievements were dwarfed in the school's memory of his father. Athletically he could not achieve his father's laurels, being smaller and perhaps less strong. His drinking bouts and lack of intellectual gifts held him back as well. He was popular and well liked, however. His military record was mediocre as compared to his father's as well. Bush entered the Texas National Guard. What he did there remains largely a mystery. There are reports of a lot of barhopping during this period. It would be only natural that Bush would want to prove himself today, that he would feel somewhat uncomfortable following, as before, in his father's footsteps. I mention these things because when you follow his speeches, Bush seems bent on a personal crusade. One motive is to avenge his father. Another seems to be to prove himself to his father. In fact, Bush seems to be trying somehow to achieve what his father failed to do - - to finish the job of the Gulf War, to get the "evildoer" Saddam.

To summarize, George W. Bush manifests all the classic patterns of what alcoholics in recovery call "the dry drunk." His behavior is consistent with barely noticeable but meaningful brain damage brought on by years of heavy drinking and possible cocaine use. All the classic patterns of addictive thinking that are spelled out in my book are here:

the tendency to go to extremes (leading America into a massive 100 billion dollar strike-first war);

a "kill or be killed mentality;" the tunnel vision;
"I" as opposed to "we" thinking;
the black and white polarized thought processes (good versus evil, all or nothing thinking).
His drive to finish his father's battles is of no small significance, psychologically.
If the public (and politicians) could only see what Fulbright noted as the pathology in the politics. One day, sadly, they will.

Katherine van Wormer is a Professor of Social Work at the University of Northern Iowa Co-author of Addiction Treatment: A Strengths Perspective (2002). She can be reached at: Katherine.VanWormer@uni.edu



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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 12:43 PM
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15. part of the problem
is that the general population is not very aware of NPD (or refer to it as something else). It's a tricky label to apply. If you have ever been victimized by a pathological narcissist, you will easy see the behavior as part of a very clear syndrome. But if you aren't too analytical about psychological types, it's a stretch to see that person you may admire from afar as a cold-hearted serial abuser. Narcissists are very clever at sucking in those who will pander to them (fatal attraction). Everything must be their way. They are mercurial, as shrewd as foxes and they are rife in the current government. These are people who do not change, who are mostly beyond rehabilitation. And they are difficult to oppose, because they don't play by any rules of common morality.

I think you are correct, Writer. And I also wish there could be more dialogue about this. Many people at DU understand the pathology of the twisted force that is masterminding the current regime, but I don't think the general public really gets it at all.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 12:48 PM
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16. Doing one of those Dr. Frist diagnoses here? NT
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 12:53 PM
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17. ???
can u explain?
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 12:56 PM
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18. He diagnosed Terry Schiavo without ever meeting her in person. NT
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 01:05 PM
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19. OK thanks
I see the analogy you're making but I would say we know a LOT more about the President and his gang, certainly enough to speculate on what mental pathologies might be operational since there is plenty of behavior to analyze. I don't think such a discussion constitutes a "diagnosis" in the formal sense...but I think there are psychologists who might agree with the direction of speculation.

The OP is bringing attention to a syndrome that is very prevalent in our society, and many such people have never been formally 'diagnosed.' This is the very thing that makes it so difficult to deal with.

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crimson333 Donating Member (760 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 01:22 PM
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20. I think all President's have Narcissistic Personality Disorder
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 02:11 PM
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22. yeah I see that
maybe true in terms of the milder characteristics of NPD...
But in the extremely destructive pathological sense of

--thriving on exploitation of others, predation
--willing to do any kind of violence to others
--uncontrollable greed and self-interest

I think that's reserved for a very special subset...the most evil
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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 02:13 PM
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23. It's prevalent in politics, the entertainment industry,
and religious circles. Many, many people carry some type of narcissistic traits, but rarely do they develop into more malignant forms.

Bill Clinton, for instance, is a narcissist (perhaps a somatic, or sexual narcissist), but didn't treat the American people as an enemy, nor demand conformity from his advisors, and didn't obliterate dissent.

George Bush, on the other hand, possesses these "qualities." The man is a malignant narcissist, and the country, as a whole, is suffering from the abuse of this administration.

Sicknesses such as narcissism also can manifest themselves in workplaces and other institutions. Typically it begins when the head or manager of the group is a narcissist, selects immediate reports who either possess or support narcissism in the group, which then trickles down to additional hires or group members. The workplace, then, becomes structured around the loyalty of the cults of personality who run the group or workplace. Hiring, raises, or promotions tend to follow loyalty and overlook qualifications. New ideas that challenge the status quo of the group are quickly squelched, if not punished, and those individuals tend to be ostracized. Essentially, the maintenance of the status quo is of utmost importance, as it reflects the maintenance of the narcissitic personalities who run the place.

This is The White House of 2005.
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 05:17 PM
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31. Clinton is also the adult child of an alcoholic (ACOA),
which may explain his people-pleasing ways and his difficulty in resisting sexual temptation even when it could jeopardize the position for which he had been running since he was 10.

Or at least that's what my former therapist said.
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river2 Donating Member (86 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 01:40 PM
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21. surprised?
nahhhhh.......
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Chicago1 Donating Member (560 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 02:55 PM
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24. The Bushies and Corporate America Suffer from the same thing
The White House and Corporate America are like two peas in a pod. They are ALL suffering from the same thing.

Waiting for the IMPEACHMENT WHILE THE SCANDALS KEEP UNFOLDING
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CitrusLib Donating Member (748 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 02:58 PM
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25. And the layman's term for that would be...
Asshole.

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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 03:01 PM
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26. LOL
I'll agree to that.
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 04:31 PM
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27. well a question...
does it matter whether we see assholes in psychological terms?
Is there anything that can be gained from looking at what we generally see as a bunch of evil assholes in terms of conglomerates of malignant narcissists?

What's the best way to deal with such groups in the microcosm--is there anything we can use from that? The only thing I've ever learned is that you can't let them get away with a single thing or they will eat you up. I think that is why we are facing such an uphill battle now in the political sphere--they have been allowed to run amok. Are there any applications from the literature on narcissism that is useful to this case of a band of thieves running an entire country?

Just pondering....I don't have the answers--
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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 04:37 PM
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28. The problem at hand is...
if we identify a pathology in American government, than we must admit that a pathology exists in American culture. As we elect these men and women to offices, and follow their actions through the media, we must admit that these individuals are an extension of our culture.

Yes, there is a terrific piece I read a while back on how Bush is a manifestation of the common American disease of narcissism. He is a narcissist, but we too are narcissists because we applaud and value successful narcissists in our country. Further, he goads our narcissism by implying that those who hate us are merely jealous of "our greatness."

We are part of the problem. But can we admit it?
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 05:04 PM
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29. this seems true
--that somehow we value and promote these types. So perhaps we are not ready to admit this is a widespread cultural problem. Oh yeah--GOOD example--ie. how Bush appeals to the old "they're just jealous of our greatness" argument.

Where's Oprah and Dr. Phil on this?

How about a book on child-rearing called "How Not to Raise a Narcissist?"

How about support groups (maybe that's partly what DU is, as far as the abuse by malignant Narcissists in the political sphere)--

Yeah--good point...how do we fight against something that is "an extension of our culture."
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lyonn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 05:10 PM
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30. What's wrong with Bush, etc.
While reading opinions on his weird personality, a thought occured to me that he also seems to have a balance problem causing him to fall when running then stops running and now is riding bikes with no explaination from his spokesperson/s. All those scabs and scares on his face through the years is unusual ya gotta admit. I got it, brain damage.
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