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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 04:55 PM
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This petition everybody's so worked up about...
What do y'all expect it's going to accomplish if it gets a hundred thousand signatures?
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Proud_Lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 04:59 PM
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1. Unity
For starters.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 05:02 PM
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2. Recognition at a minimum
Plus
1. Confirmation that there are at least 100,000 people who know Bush is officially, on-the-record, no denying it, a criminal; and
2. It will make all those Congressmen who have continued to support the criminals in office think twice about their tenuous position before the 2006 election...
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 05:04 PM
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3. Somethin' , which is always better than nothin'
Edited on Wed Jun-01-05 05:05 PM by FrenchieCat
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 05:05 PM
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4. Proof of significant interest in the Downing Street Minutes
Sign it. Just for the sake of curiosity if nothing else.
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Der Blaue Engel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 05:19 PM
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5. Hey, I know...
Let's disparage all and do nothing.
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 05:32 PM
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6. Yeah, whatev...
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Der Blaue Engel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 05:41 PM
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8. Yup!
:hi:
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 05:37 PM
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7. A lot
1. Conyers' efforts will receive higher profile, especially if he gets a high number of signatures quickly (which seems to be the case).

2. The topic of impeachment will have been broached. Whether or not the newsies will cover it is another issue. But if there is significant support, or even if it's only the appearance of such, there will be pressure to cover either the impeachment issue, or the DSM itself.

3. It could have a non-trivial effect on the upcoming mid-term elections.

4. It could have a negative effect on Repug unity, always a desireable outcome.

5. It may instill some backbone in some of the House and Senate Dems. With Reid a strong leader for the Senate Dems, this could remarkably happen first in the upper house.
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oxbow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 05:44 PM
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9. I'm hoping Conyers will have the media with him when he delivers it
Edited on Wed Jun-01-05 05:50 PM by oxbow
That and 88 other Congressman. Plus a mob of angry people. I'm hoping for a media shitstorm.

If anybody else agrees, write him and tell him so.
campaign@johnconyers.com
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cestpaspossible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 05:56 PM
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10. It will have shown that 100000 Americans care enough to sign it.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 07:53 PM
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11. Exposure of this will wear away at Bush's political & moral capital...
Edited on Wed Jun-01-05 07:56 PM by Dr Fate
...it will prompt apologists to make excuses and split hairs over what "lying" is.

Exposure of this issue will help us get votes in '06 with all the moderates who are now questioning the war they supported.

It could possibly help us in 2004 ala "scandal fatigue"

OR we could just give Bush yet another a free pass and act like wimps and colaborators.

This is not about "left" or "right" BTW, its about FIGHTING and telling the TRUTH.

These things still matter to a LOT of voters.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 08:02 PM
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12. Ummm... so - er - you'd rather just let it sit there and gather dust?
Edited on Wed Jun-01-05 08:09 PM by calimary
And get ignored? And maybe fade away for lack of interest?

It's a "sales tool," if you will. A "hook" or gimmick that SOMEONE, SOMEWHERE, can get their teeth around and chew on, and maybe make a news item with it.

Or a talking point.

Or a point of departure - if 100-thousand signatures are good, wouldn't 150-thousand or 200-thousand signatures be better?

And then add it to the pile-on that's growing every day - of crap and scandal and deception and hypocrisy and anarchy and tyranny and fascism that these people are serving America day after day.

That's how you work up to critical mass = the tipping point. That's how you keep opponents with their sphincter muscles clenched tight, and nervous and more and more off their game - if they sense this accellerating groundswell AGAINST THEM?

That's how you win over a few wavering "moderates" who start to read the handwriting on the wall, and would rather be loyal to their own job security than hitch their wagon to a sinking stone.

That's how you give those who are wondering if there's really something to this - reason to look deeper, and maybe read a few sentences farther than they otherwise would have, or maybe read a few sentences they would have otherwise ignored - you know: the let's look at the freeway crash, let's see what there is to see, see what's up.

That's also how you strengthen the resolve and the backbone of those who agree, but up til now have been too timid, because they figured only a handful of "fringies" were into this. If they see a HUGE number like 100-THOUSAND, OR MORE, it'll make 'em sit up and take notice, and take this a little more seriously. REMEMBER THIS: Barbara "Backbone" Boxer did not stick her neck out to support the Congressional Black Caucus in early January when they challenged the legitimacy of the vote - just for her health. She started ahead of time, soliciting comment from her constituents (and others, too) - to determine how much support there was. Because it did take a little courage. She said if she heard from enough people that this was what she should do, she'd go for it. She was swamped with emails, phone calls, faxes, letters, and other messages from people ALL OVER THE COUNTRY, NOT JUST CALIFORNIA, pleading with her to stand with the CBC. And she did. She's done a LOT more since then.

Bone cells do multiply if given enough calcium supplement.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 08:26 PM
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13. I refuse to be a 'good German'
It's that simple.
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