Hillary is an amazing woman - person - politician - democrat - winner

[mtnsnake]

and I can't believe the amount of bad ink she gets around here. Yikes!

If this brilliant lady goes for it in '08, she will run a campaign that will make all of us proud to be Democrats again. Hillary does not let shit from the right wing go un-answered. She is not afraid to say the words, "right-wing conspiracy." If they do to her what they did to Kerry, she won't just stand there and do nothing....she will make them pay with some very choice rhetoric.

When Right-Wing Hate Media went after Bill, Hillary was the first one to go for their throats, while all the other Dems shied away from saying anything. When the shitwipe Rush Limbaugh got on Chelsea's case, Hillary went right on the air with him, peppered him but good, and got the fucker practically in tears. Remember that? No wonder they're all so afraid of her.

All that aside, this lady is a cagey politician, one intelligent cookie, and she'll be just the medicine this sick country needs. Oh, and she knows how to win.

The American people love to hear what Hillary has to say.

So who's on the Hillary train with me?

All on boarddddddddddddddd?????? WoooooooohhhhhhHHHHHHHHHHHHH....

[Stephanie]

1. I'm sorry, man, she just doesn't have the Q factor.

I really WANT to like her but I just can't get there.

[DURHAM D]

3. What is the "Q" factor ? eom

[Stephanie]

25. TV term

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http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery;jsessionid=mjofimot71e1?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Q+Score&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc03a

Q Score

The Q Score is a way to measure the familiarity and appeal of a brand, company, celebrity, cartoon character or television show. The higher the Q Score, the more well-known and well thought of the item or person being scored is. The Q Score is primarily used by the marketing, advertising and public relations industries.

Sometimes the term Q score is used in popular discussions of a person or product's overall fame, popularity, or likeability. Other popular synonyms include Q rating, Q factor, or simply Q.

The Q Score was developed in 1963 by Marketing Evaluations, Inc., a United States company based in Manhasset, New York.

To calculate someone or something's Q Score, Marketing Evaluations surveys a panel of US consumer households about their awareness and opinion of that person or thing. Two factors influence the Q Score: the number of people who are aware of the product in question, and the number of people who claim that product as one of their favorites.

Q Scores are calculated for the population as a whole as well as for demographic groups such as age, sex, income or education level.

Marketing Evaluations claims that the Q Score is more valuable to marketers than other popularity measurements such as the Nielsen Ratings because Q Scores indicate not only how many people are aware of or watch a product, but how those people feel about the product. A well-liked television show, for example, may be worth more as a commercial venue to an advertiser than a higher-rated show that people don't like as much.

=====================

[river2]

12. Who had the 'Q' factor?

Kerry? Editing it because Kerry was a good candidate, but I don't think he had the kind of down home charm that Hillary Clinton has. Yep that's right, I think Hillary Clinton has down home, small town gal charm.

She can turn it on when she wants to.

[amandabeech]

19. JFK had the Q factor in spades.

Some people think that Bill Clinton has it, but even as I admire Clinton, I didn't think so.

[Flying Dream Blues]

81. Respectfully disagree... B. Clinton definitely has it! n/t

[LuPeRcALiO]

oh, he turns it on when he really needs it

For example his acceptance speech in Boston. Never did I expect a charming twinkle but there you go.

:shrug:

[amandabeech]

33. My mistake. I'm getting too old. I mean John F. Kennedy!

Not John F. Kerry. Don't get me wrong. I liked Kerry, but he didn't have the Q for most people.

[LuPeRcALiO]

41. hey, JFK invented it

Kerry has style too, just a different kind. Clinton used to have it. I met him way back when he was campaigning with Henry Cisneros in the summer of '92 (I shook his hand at a campaign rally) and he definitely had it then.

[paulk]

23. what's that supposed to mean?

what does Kerry have to do with this thread?

[Stephanie]

24. maybe because I still have a Kerry avatar

I'll give our new friend benefit of the doubt

[Clark2008]

89. Hahahahaha

What are you smokin'?

:rofl:

You must know know many "down home, small town gals."

[jobycom]

2. She's the one the White House is badmouthing, so she's the one they fear

Unless Gore runs again, I'm leaning towards her.

[SaveElmer]

4. I'll get aboard that train...

I think the Clintons are winners, and I think if she runs, she has an excellent chance of winning. IMO probably the strongest candidate we could field, and likely to defeat any Republican they put up against her.

[SnoopDog]

5. All I hear from people - Dems and Repuks alike is...

Hillary? You got to be kidding... NO WAY.

Did you ever wonder why the media is promoting her? Especially when the media is owned by Repuks???

They know she could NEVER win, and if she does win, it is just part of their plan, as I feel she too is just a repuk in Dems clothes...

[mtnsnake]

27. Nope, she's not a repuk in Dems clothes.

Hey Snoop, what's up with your boys roughin up that fan on stage last Saturday?

[SnoopDog]

30. Sorry...I have a bird named SnoopDog....hence my DU name...but ...

but how a Senator votes is the true metric of their worthiness.

Senator Clinton voting record is nothing special and actually is very un-democratic. She scores a -37.5 out of +160. So, she has screwed Democrats a 'hole bunch of times...

[meppie-meppie not]

59. and that's precisely why the Repukes would allow her a token

win, JMO. :shrug:

[Wilms]

6. Hillary?

[IndianaGreen]

7. Campaign 2008 will make 2004 look like a Boy Scout outing

Hillary has the right stuff to dish out more of what she takes. She is a lot tougher than Big Dog.

Besides, there is going to be a lot of Clinton nostalgia in 2008.

[Jacobin]

8. Oh, and she says the insurgents are losing, too.

Very astute

[mtnsnake]

29. Ya gotta look at the entire picture

Sure she's going to say or do certain things that aren't going to be agreed upon by us 100% of the time, but overall she's got her heart in the right places and she's going to have to play the game a little bit on the way in order to get us back in the WH. Then you'll see right the ship.

[Skwmom]

45. Was her heart in the right place when she gave

Bush a blank check to go to war because of her future political plans? Give me a break.

[mtnsnake]

70. What about Kerry and Edwards, who did the same thing? n/t

[LuPeRcALiO]

9. all they gotta do is put Osama on TV a few days before the election

and President Jeb Frist DeLay McGingrich gets the key to the White House garage.

Yeah, let's run Hillary.

[river2]

10. I totally agree - too many

let themselves get psyched out by the right wing machine...

Trust me: the right is scared shitless of Hillary Clinton. She is the stuff their nightmares are made of.

The Clintons are winners.

[Demi_Babe]

16. BINGO

[phylla]

50. Recounting conversations at our Picnic on Memorial Day.

About twenty or so adults had finished the good eats and were sitting in a circle chatting,

I live in a very Repug. area, but most of these people are not kool-aid drinkers.
Someone made a very negative remark about Pat Robertson (we live practically in his empire's back yard) and everyone chimed in with their complaints about him

Then someone made a snide remark about Hillary.

Well the chorus became very animated with negative comments about her.

When I had heard plenty, I risked my position in the neighborhood by saying, "What is it about Hillary that you so dislike? I hear people putting her down, but I never can get them to say what it is that she has done to make you have the extremely negative opinion."

Well they sort of looked around at each other and then reacted with things like "two for one", "Pushy" and then "sneaky" and "can't be trusted"

Well again I said "then why do you think that she cannot be trusted and is sneaky? Can you tell me what she has done that makes you think that way?"

Of course then someone made a remark like' "Well, she had be sneaky to catch Bill doing all of the womanizing".
Typical Repug, turn the conversation to Bill Clinton....

And you think that these very moderate Repugs are going to vote for Hillary under any circumstance?
Not in a million years. At it will take moderates to put her in the Whitehouse.

I like her, I think that she would personally be a fantastic President. But she would be fighting a fight that was even more uphill than Bill had with Congress. It would be a big mess everywhere.

But it won't get to that point because she will not be elected.
And sadly so.

[mtnsnake]

51. What you heard at that picnic mirrors much of what you hear around here.

People seem to have all these negative ideas about her, but when you ask them exactly WHY she's something they claim she is, you often get an answer that's not an answer but just another unfounded negative.

Like you'll always hear that she can't win, but if you ask someone WHY she can't win, they'll say something like she's too divisive. Then when you ask them WHY she's too divisive, they can't give you any concrete reasons, except for something silly like she's divisive because right wing radio hates her and says it's so. LOL

[LittleClarkie]

11. Waves at train as it goes by

Where's my Kerry 2-2-twain?

Eh, the thing that's bugging me the most isn't her, per se. It's all the "She's going to be our next nominee. Get used to it. It's inevitable."

Excuse me if I still want to vote in this here democracy we have. Such as it is. Leave me the illusion, eh?

It's like she's the Borg Queen, and resistance is futile. Well, I'll just go hang out on the USS Kerrycrat, if you don't mind. Even so, I'm not so hostile that I won't attempt to establish diplomatic relations with her supporters. But if she gets in my face TOO much with that "inevitable" crapola, she and her crew may get a photon torpedo in the puss.

[FrenchieCat]

13. I like Hillary! She was a fine first lady.....

and seems to be doing a decent job as the Freshman Senator from New York.

But think of it? Doesn't the Bush/Clinton/Bush/Clinton pattern trouble just a tad bit? Personally, I think it would hurt what's left of our democracy!...it may even start a civil war!

I only know that if godddam Clinton #1 wouldn't have signed away the store with that '96 FCC deregulation bill....we wouldn't even be talking about Hillary in 2005 for a 2008 election!

[mtnsnake]

18. Yes, and she did something few other Democrats have done....

She won over many "Republican" areas in upstate rural NY. Many people think if she could do that here, she can do that in other parts of the country. I agree with them!

[Texas_Kat]

43. In case there is any doubt in your mind...

So far as Republicans (and independents) in the South are concerned.... most NY Republicans might as well be Democrats. Doubt she'd convert anybody in "non-yankee' states.

Sorry, I like Hillary, but many never forgave her the appearance of trying to be a co-President with the Big Dog. She hasn't got a snowball's chance in the general election.

[Psephos]

14. Hillary is a professional big-time politician

When will people learn that professional big-time politicians aren't in it for "public service"?

She might be a great candidate, and I might even vote for her, but she is not a great person, almost no big-time professional politician is. That's the nature of the beast. Politics eats its young; only the brutal survive.

Wake up.

Peace.

[sellitman]

15. My favorite Lady is named Barbara...not Hillary.

I'm a hoping for the return of the Boxer Rebellion!

[mtnsnake]

21. I like Barbara, too, but SHE'S the one they'd have a field day with,

not Hillary.

Unfortunately, America is way too centrist or just to the right of center to ever consider a Barbara Boxer. Hillary, OTOH, has the ability to get more than enough voters from the moveable center-right to move toward center and left-center.

[sellitman]

46. Voting Centrist has got us nowhere.

It's time to make "conservative" a dirty word. Do you think for one minute that Boxer would have given up like Kerry did?

I don't.

[meppie-meppie not]

63. to me the centrists are just Republican-Lites

[sellitman]

79. I wouldn't go that far but...

It's time to give america a real choice again...that's for sure!

[meppie-meppie not]

82. her voting record sure rings repukian.

[KoKo]

17. Fine....when she says she's running you can sign up to work on her

campaign. The rest of us are working on getting Verified Paper Ballots for our Voting Machines and getting Dems elected for 2006.

Who knows what's in the cards for 2008. So why push Hillary on here right now? :shrug:

[mtnsnake]

20. I'd be honored to. All aboarddddd!!

KoKo, I'm not trying to push her on here now, well maybe a little bit, but I'm just trying to add some balance....because I think she's the most underestimated, under-appreciated candidate discussed on DU.

[Gyre]

22. I think I'll hold my applause

until she takes a real stand on something important; like the "war" in Iraq. I'm no fan of career politicians. They aren't what this country needs. What it does need is some honesty in the WH.

Gyre

[mtnsnake]

28. Let's get her in there first

and then the honesty will come.

[Skwmom]

47. No it won't because she'll be worried about getting re-elected.

That's the problem with electing a self-serving politician. Clinton stood by and let MILLIONS of innocent men women and children get slaughtered in Rwanda because he was worried about his political career. I've had enough of self-serving politicians like the Clintons.

[elshiva]

26. SHE IS THE SEXIEST WOMAN TO WALK THE EARTH. eom.

[mtnsnake]

31. Ya know...I do find her kind of hot myself,

in a wholesome kind of way. Got to meet her once after she gave a speech in upstate NY and she stood there at the end until each and every person who wanted to meet her got to do it.

Yeah, she looks even better in person, too. She's shorter than I thought she was. Very vibrant.

[elshiva]

32. Just a beautiful, fun woman! Wish I could hug her!

Fairly wholesome here, most of the time...

[seabeyond]

34. i dont trust her, i would certainly be open to listening

to her and all the while be willing to embrace her. but right now, and for the last couple years i dont trust her or bill.

[zulchzulu]

35. Where's my "Lemmings For Hillary 08" sticker?

You might as well start now with one of those on your car.

[FrenchieCat]

37. Doncha think the Lemmings typeface should be larger,

so the Lemmings can read it? Heard they are hard of hearing, and can't see worth sh*t....but they know how to use their whiskers just like eyes!


Origins: Lemming

Claim: During the filming of the 1958 Disney nature documentary White Wilderness, the film crew induced lemmings into jumping off a cliff and into the sea in order to document their supposedly suicidal behavior.

Status: True.

suicide is fiction. Contrary to popular belief, lemmings do not periodically hurl themselves off of cliffs and into the sea. Cyclical explosions in population do occasionally induce lemmings to attempt to migrate to areas of lesser population density. When such a migration occurs, some lemmings die by falling over cliffs or drowning in lakes or rivers. These deaths are not deliberate "suicide" attempts, however, but accidental deaths resulting from the lemmings' venturing into unfamiliar territories and being crowded and pushed over dangerous ledges. In fact, when the competition for food, space, or mates becomes too intense, lemmings are much more likely to kill each other than to kill themselves.
http://www.snopes.com/disney/films/lemmings.htm

[Clarkie1]

36. I'm trying to understand the train - so I will compare her to Clark.

I agree she is a relatively brilliant lady; Clark graduated first in his class at Westpoint

"She doesn't take shit from the right-wing"; Clark will "beat the shit out of them."

"All that aside, this lady is a cagey politician"; I have very mixed feelings about cagey politicians, mostly negative.

"she'll be just the medicine this sick country needs"; this country needs someone to frame our message in a way that will persuade swing voters to join our causes- a uniter, not a divider. Is more oligarchy the medicine the doctor ordered for our ailing democracy?

"Oh, and she knows how to win"; yes, we've had many senators run for president who "know how to win." They lost, mostly.

"The American people love to hear what Hillary has to say"; yes, the media has created quite a show of Hillary. Good for their ratings.

Have any more selling points for your train ticket?

Disclaimer - I think Hillary was a fine first lady, and I'm glad she's one of our Democratic senators.

[Texas_Kat]

38. And too smart to run for an office

where 40% of the electorate says that they won't vote for a woman for President.

[Clarkie1]

40. That won't stop her from running.

I'm convinced of it.

[Crunchy Frog]

39. Not getting on that train.

I truly believe that if she gets the nomination, we will have yet another Republican in the WH, though of course I hope I will turn out to be wrong about that.

That's just my opinion though. I'm happy that you've found someone you can be inspired by.:)

[snowbear]

42. There's a Hillary section where you'd find many others...

..who share your beliefs. Check it out! You may enjoy posting at that section? ;) :)

[election_2004]

44. What has she accomplished?

Seriously...no one has answered this question for me.

What has Hillary DONE that makes her qualified then any other Democrat who could run for president?

[Clark2008]

91. Boy, I noticed a lot of crickets chirping in answer to your question.

Good question, though. I don't know, either.

*stumped*

[sendero]

48. Hillary will get out the vote like no other...

.... the Republican vote that is.

Perhaps I'm out of step here, but these are my opinions:

All Hillary has going for her is name recognition.

She is not a particularly effective speaker.

Her positions on the issues put her on slippery footing running against Repugs that have similar positions.

She plays in NY, people seem to think she'll play in Peoria, I think not.

The Republican-controlled media seem damned interested in her getting the nomination, they only do that to candidates they are sure they can beat.

There may well be a lot of people like me, who liked the Clinton era but who are not interested in an 8 year continuation of the extreme partisanship.

More triangulation on the issues isn't going to help America heal. Hillary's position on Iraq shows that she's either a fool or a panderer, I want neither in the White House - we already have that.

[livinginphotographs]

58. Great post!

I agree 100%. The only thing Hillary will do is get every rabid Clinton-hater out and voting. Despite how truly moderate she is, on the right, the Clintons have a reputation for being one-step away from Communists. A Hillary nomination would the best gift we could give the GOP.

[mtnsnake]

60. Hillary has already proven you wrong. She got more Republican voters

to vote for HER in upstate NY, than any other politicians in recent times.

And what's with this, "She is not a particularly effective speaker" crap? If John Kerry was half as effective as her, we wouldn't be worrying about Hillary running in 2008. Try taking in one of her speeches sometime before you go labeling her the same way the right wing does.

[Clark2008]

92. New York Republicans are NOT red-state Republicans

Not even the same BREED.

And, Kerry had a better shot during a war (and we WILL be at war with SOMEONE) than Hillary.

[ElectroPrincess]

49. Not me and MOST hourly wage Americans. She's for big business and

the war machine.

[mtnsnake]

61. Oh for crying out loud. She is not just for big business.

Where do you people come up with this stuff??

[CWebster]

64. Get a clue

Hillary Clinton's status as a liberal icon has always been based on leaps of logic, as opposed to her record.

As the first lady, she actively supported Bill Clinton's anti-worker, anti-environment, anti-human rights trade policies, from the North American Free Trade Agreement to permanent most favored nation trading status for China.

She defended the Clinton administration's draconian welfare reform schemes, which her old allies at the Children's Defense Fund correctly identified as the shredding of the social safety net for America's poorest children.

And she took the lead in drafting a bureaucratic health care reform plan that rejected the sensible single-payer model in favor of a scheme to funnel federal money into the pockets of some of the worst players in the for-profit health care industry.

At a time when Democrats like U.S. Reps. Marcy Kaptur of Ohio and Maxine Waters of California were battling the corporate-sponsored free trade agenda; when Nydia M. Velzquez, D-N.Y., and Lynn Woolsey, D-Calif., were battling to defend the interests of low-income families; and when Tammy Baldwin, D-Madison, and Jan Schakowsky, D-Ill., were championing real health care reform, Hillary Clinton always refused to ask the tough questions, take the tough stands or abandon the risk-averse course set by the Clinton administration.

When Clinton was elected to the Senate in 2000, there was a brief flurry of hopeful speculation that she would emerge as the liberal her most ardent supporters - and her silly right-wing critics - believed her to be. But, in the Senate, Clinton has generally served as an uninspired, if competent, moderate.


http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0605-07.htm

[mtnsnake]

68. What you need to do is show some respect.

Not to me but to the lady you're bludgeoning like she's some sort of enemy to our cause. How the hell can you come up with this BS that she's anti-environment and blah blah blah. Sorry, dude, it's not me who needs to get a clue.

[ElectroPrincess]

85. She is an enemy to the working class people...she doesn't deserve respect

[paineinthearse]

52. Convince me why I should support a first term senator

What has she accomplished?

Nope, I don't vote on connections of family name. I suport candidates who have proven records of accomplishment.

Name 10 pieces of legislation she has sponsored or other significant accomplishments.

[mtnsnake]

65. Here ya go:

http://clinton.senate.gov/accomplishments_107th.html

[election_2004]

71. So tell us....

How does her senatorial portfolio surpass the accomplishments of any other Democratic U.S. Senator?

[mtnsnake]

72. I made no claims to that.

You asked what she's accomplished and I provided that.

I understand your point, but if politics worked on the assumption that the most qualified person would become the nominee, then we wouldn't have this fucking clown in office that we have right now. Bush was probably the LEAST qualified person his party could put up there, but he had the name recognition for all the right wing nutjobs to cream their jeans over.

Same with Hillary (as far as the name recognition thing), only she's at least qualified, and she's a democrat. So if name recognition is the deciding factor, then hey, let's take advantage of it if it means ousting the repukes from office.

[election_2004]

77. I admittedly shouldn't have directed my comment at you specifically....

But other Hillary supporters on this board who favor Hillary running in 2008 try to make the claim that she is the "most qualified" Democrat in the country to run. Yet, they provide no evidence to back up that view. I really want to hear why they believe Hillary is more qualified than any of the other viable Democratic contenders who have been mentioned as presidential material.

If you're making the case that Hillary should be favored for the nomination mainly because she has the most name recognition, that's pretty flimsy reasoning. Whoever wins the Democratic nomination will ultimately have instant name recognition (by virtue of being the Democratic nominee)...and better yet, this time around he or she will not have to run against an entrenched incumbent (as John Kerry had to run against GWB).

I want a candidate who will work the best with others and who has the most integrity - - I can name a whole list of viable Democrats considering presidential runs who are leaps and bounds above Hillary when it comes to integrity and authenticity.

Furthermore, how many red states do you think Hillary would be able to flip into the Democratic column, once the General Election rolls around?

[mtnsnake]

78. Nope, not that claim either. In fact, Clark is my favorite, despite my OP

where I was simply sticking up for Hillary, who I think is more than qualified, BTW, but not necessarily the MOST qualified.

It's just that I can't believe the amount of unfounded accusations leveled around here towards Hillary. Sometimes I think she takes a worse beating here than from the right wing nutjobs. LOL!

As far as the name recognition thing, I implied it was important if it happened to be the deciding factor.

Clark was my favorite last time around, and he still is until someone better comes along. I like Hillary, too, and I think she's the most underrated candidate around here. I'd take either one of them over Kerry any day of the week and twice on Sundays, as far as how they'd run a campaign. It's too bad in a way that Hillary didn't run in 2004 like so many wanted her to. She at least would've run a smart campaign and who knows, maybe she would've beaten the chimp.

[election_2004]

87. A lot of the Hillary hatred....

....can be explained due to the reality that - - although many of us agree with her on a lot of issues - - many of us also believe that if she was elected president, her administration would have instant and unshakeable baggage unparalleled by almost any other Democrat who could be hypothetically elected president. Hillary would also hurt Democrats further down the ticket in the red states, and having her at the top of the ticket could cause a GOP net gain in the U.S. Senate (reversing any net gain that Democrats MIGHT make in 2006).

I challenge anyone to make the case that electing Evan Bayh, Mark Warner, Blanche Lincoln, Brad Henry, Phil Bredesen, Tom Vilsack, or Wes Clark would result in the same enormous magnitude of a negative stigma that electing Hillary to the White House would.

[amandabeech]

53. After reading her speech to AIPAC, I am convinced that she wants war

all over the Middle East--Iran, Syria, the Shiite parts of Lebanon. Who knows? Maybe she's ready to depose the House of Saud, with their booby-trapped oil fields. If she wants war so much, she should be trying to convince Chelsea to sign up with the Army Reserves. I hear that they could use some bodies in Iraq.

If we're not out of Iraq by 2008, I doubt if many Democratic primary voters will be keen on voting for someone who is as large a hawk as she seems to be now.

And if she can't see that Iraq is a disaster now, I don't know what's happened to her eyesight. She saw Vietnam pretty clearly.

And she needs to show that she learned something from that health care debacle in Bill's 1st term. She did not show much political savvy there, and she hasn't done anything yet in the Senate of a comparable nature that would dispel the doubts that I have over that.

[CWebster]

54. All on board, huh.

Ever notice these Hillary pep rallies are always full of glowing adjectives but never any substance? That is because the record doesn't reflect the glowing adjectives.

[Township75]

55. Holy Freaking Balls! You just nailed it!

I would be surprised if get a response (at least with any substance) from the pro Hillary posters here.

You just got to the heart of the matter.

I think she is a fake...complete opportunist. She may be liberal at heart (I kinda think she is apolitical), but that always takes a backseat to getting ahead in the political field.

If she gets the nomination, I will NOT be voting for her, despite all the lines of "letting the repubs win" I will be subjected to. I am not voting for a phony.

[mtnsnake]

67. Thanks, just what we need are more like you helping the next Bush to win

by refusing to vote for a viable democratic candidate because of complete and unsubstantiated bullshit about him or her posted by the likes of the poster above you who are on personal vendettas against a particular candidate. Just great!!

[Township75]

76. No, thank yourself...

if you want to help the next Bush win, because you insist on nominating a pro war Dem who sells out the base when she can ahead for doing it.

The Democractic party doesn't own my vote, the issues do.

There are so many well qualified dem candidates who have been fighting the battles for us for longer and have been more committed to our cause...why does Hillary deserve a shot before them?

[watercolors]

56. I'm onboard for sure

the big plus also is we get to have Bill beside her!!!

[ArkDem]

57. You da man! Count me in!

[kodi]

62. please oh lord, spare us the supidity of democrats nominating hillary

"Hillary for President?

"Jesus H. Christ -- what the hell are top Dems doing playing footsy with Hillary? Do Democrats have a secret death pact we don't know about? If they want to lose a third general election in a row, go ahead, run Hillary for President of the United States of America.

"The reasons not to do such a thing are obvious to anyone not drinking the Clintonite Kool-Aid. Let me list just the ones that roll off the top of my not-so-bright head:
Hillary Moonies cite recent polls showing that likely Democrat voters would vote for Hillary if she ran. Yes, this is true -- but why? The answer is not reassuring. It is because the less voters see and hear of Hillary the more they like her. Which means the converse is true as well. Just get her out on the national campaign trail, on the news every night, in dozens of ads on TV, and in nationally televised debates and watch those poll numbers plummet. I will bet my firstborn on it. Hillary grates on people. Maybe that's unfair. But it's still true.

"Hillary has triangulated herself into irrelevance with her hawkish support for the war in Iraq. She did this in order to show she could be tough, just like a man. All she really proved was that she could be a conniving politician, just like men.

"All's fair in love, war and politics. So expect all that Kenneth Starr variety crap about the Clintons to make a big comeback. I know that Starr and his Dark Side minions failed to prove most of the allegations against the Clintons. But the Clintons' own sloppy ethics provided the very fuel on which the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy ran. If Hillary runs for president the Swift Boat Veterans will be back in a new form, but in full form. They will pound her relentlessly. Unfair? You bet. Go tell it to John Kerry.


"Finally, there's Bill. Imagine Bill as First Husband, rambling around the East Wing of the White House with nothing but time on his hands. How long would it be -- days, weeks, a month? -- before the stories about White House maids getting made began? That's not just a possibility, or even a probability. It's a certainty. Then the nation and the world will be again treated to four years of "Live From the White House -- The Jerry Springer Show!"
I could go on. There are many more reasons not to encourage Hillary to run for president.

"Look, I loved Clinton's domestic policies. Hell, I profited from them. They were the best years of my life, financially. They were the best years the nation had seen in decades. The trouble was that Bill Clinton is not one person, but three.
There's Bill the Brilliant, who balanced the federal budget, built a giant surplus that could have been used to repair Social Security, reformed welfare and kept us out of stupid-ass wars.

"There's Bill the Self-Indulgent who could not resist exploiting the aphrodisiac of power on female targets of opportunity. The Bill that played with the truth, like a cat plays with a mouse. The Bill who faced the world on TV as the bad little boy making lame excuses after being caught red-handed misbehaving.

"Finally -- and more to the point -- there's Bill/Hillary, the package deal. They are co-dependants and mutual enablers. Bill has been president, and Hillary is not a bit interested in vying against Laura Bush and Nancy Reagan for the top slot at the former First Lady Hall of Fame. She wants to be America's first woman president. Even serial marital infidelity, exposed in fine detail to the entire world, could not break the bonds of this union. It's a Bonnie and Clyde quality relationship -- Bill & Hillary vs. (Fill in the blank). Right or wrong, they will go down together, fighting. And they always attract a fight.

"As I said, I loved the policies, but by the time the Clintons' eight years were up I was so glad to see them leave. I was exhausted, as were millions of other Americans. Clinton fatigue. Bill and Hillary bring too much baggage along with them."

http://www.smirkingchimp.com/article.php?sid=21375&mode=nested&order=0

[sarahlee]

66. Heads up

If any of you are reading this at work or if you want to be able to continue to promote your candidates here at DU - or try to raise money for them . . . then you should read my completely ignored message at:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1826107

Today is the last day for citizens to tell the FEC to keep their hands off the net.

This is the last post I am making on this issue here at DU. But this is a critical day - especially for anyone running a blog or political website. Or accessing DU from work. Or trying to raise money for candidates on-line. . .

[RogueTrooper]

69. You getting paid for this?

you sound like a pro.

Just to recape....

41. Bush.
42. Big Dog
43. Bush's brat*

To be replaced by the Big Dog's wife. With the possiblity that the run will be against Bush younger brat.


This is democracy in a nation of over 350 million people?

[MadHound]

73. Sorry, but I've sworn off of corporate whores for good.

Get back to me if she decides she will refuse corporate contributions to her campaign. Otherwise, count me out.

[IrateCitizen]

74. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz....

:boring:

[FrenchieCat]

75. I just don't think this is going to happen....

BUSH, CLINTON, BUSH, CLINTON!

That's the pattern that Hil would be inviting. Ain't gonna happen. America is not a monarchy, and we will NOT end up with 28 year rule by two families.

Just that pattern on it's own gives Republicans the line they need to defeat a Democratic Ticket with Hil on top of it. Just on that line, we lose.

We won on "it's the Economy Stoopid"....but we will lose on "Vote for Democracy, say No to Dynasty, vote Romney in '08".

[rocktop15]

80. Voted for the Patriot Act and the Iraq War resolution

ssia.

[Flying Dream Blues]

83. I agree with most of what you say

and I too admire Hillary for many things. But as a candidate, I think she would absolutely galvanize the right, and I think we'd also lose some of the moderates from our own party.

New York is not a good barometer for how she'd play to the rest of the country, and I'm sure that's a big reason she ran from there. And let's face it, the more sexist among us might concede her ability to make a good senator while reserving the right to think she couldn't be president. She might be electable as president someday, but not as the first woman. I think that woman will have to be someone much less controversial.

And, I'm not sure qualifications apply. Exhibit A= * What we need is big-time electability. I wish it could be Hillary, but next time is too important to have a swing and a miss. We need a sure thing.

Also, the second she was elected it would be Ken Starr all over again over SOME damn thing, you know it!

[Senator Lamb]

84. and Bush galvanized the left

and we really showed him. Most Americans at this time arent liberal, they are moderate independent types. Clinton will be their idead candidate , as the suburbanites see that she is safe, pragmatic not a religious/pol. ideological nut like Bush is shaping out to be. they will think back to peaceful, profitable times of the 90's. its hers.

[ElectroPrincess]

86. No most democrats are liberal ... unfortunately they're too threatened

to speak up for those who must work for a pay check ... a corporation. The working vice the *investor* class. Hillary is all for the investor class and so is the DNC.

The masses of people are, if they are true to themselves, liberal.

[Clark2008]

88. My train left the station a long time ago and Hillary was still hanging

back there with AIPAC and the Iraqi War-votin' people.

She's won ONE race against a lame opponent and "she knows how to win?" Geesch. Give us some credit for knowing what we're talking about.

I like Hillary, but she needs to stay in the Senate.

[Hippo_Tron]

90. Okay that may all be true, but does that mean that I have to support her?

How about we compromise. Hillary rocks... but I still think that there are people that rock even more than her. Happy?