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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 05:48 PM
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Okay, what was the CONTEXT of Dean's comment re: Republicans
Somebody's probably posted it, but I don't see it at the moment. Is there a transcript of his entire remarks?

My first thought was that he was responding to Limbaugh's "Democrats don't have jobs" comment. I'd be interested to see how he came to that point in his speech. You can count on MSM not to see the context of something.
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Helga Scow Stern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 05:52 PM
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1. It had to do with having a national holiday on election day....
He described how people can't wait in line all day because they have jobs to go to....but then most Republicans probably don't have to work, so they don't really care.

I am sure it's all in the effort to regain Dem status as the "working person's party".

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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 05:59 PM
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2. That was the exact same context, IIRC, that Limbaugh
brought up his comments. Take some tit for that tat, Rush.
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Career Prole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 06:20 PM
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6. Exactly. What the Dems who are turning on Dean need to remember
is the hell John Kerry was put through by the RNC, in order for shrub's hands to stay clean during the campaign.

Then they need to remember how many of the repuke faithful turned on the RNC for those vicious attacks.

I believe the number was close enough to zero to be irrelevant.

We'll be grateful for the good doctor's bashing when we've candidates to protect.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 08:22 PM
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11. No Democrats Are "Turning" On Dean. That's A Mediawhore Construction
PLEASE disabuse yourself of it.
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Career Prole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 09:44 PM
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18. Got it!
:thumbsup:
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 06:04 PM
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3. Election reform
Voters having to wait on long lines. "Republicans can do that, because a lot of them never worked a day in their lives."

You can watch the whole speech here:

http://www.dembloggers.com/story/2005/6/2/7565/50042

Also his most excellent smackdown of Wolf Blitzer here:

http://www.dembloggers.com/story/2005/6/3/153632/2932
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 06:11 PM
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4. I just went to get Rush's comment from Media Matters
"LIMBAUGH: The two to three big opportunities so far mentioned by Howard Dean -- pension portability and changes to election laws. ... So portability of pensions. What's the second one? Oh, yeah, Election Day a holiday. And well, you know -- I don't know why they need to do that. Most of their voters don't work anyway, so I don't know how that's going to help them that much. At least in a percentage basis."

I'm really thinking that was a slap back from Howard for the above comment.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 08:02 PM
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10. When did Limpballs say that? nt
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 08:24 PM
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12. June 2
Edited on Mon Jun-06-05 08:30 PM by LittleClarkie
Here's a link.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200506030003

(edits to put in link... d'oh!)

on edit: OH SHIT! I have it out of order. Dean was first THEN Rush.

http://www.ourfuture.org/docUploads/caf060205dean.pdf

Link to Dean's speech.

Double D'OH!
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 09:12 PM
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16. Thanks, LC nt
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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 06:16 PM
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5. Ourfuture.org/Take Back America
Edited on Mon Jun-06-05 06:33 PM by Mabus
This will give you some context:

We need to be the party of election reform. We ought to do everything we can to make it easier for more Americans to vote. The Republicans are all about suppressing votes; two voting machines if you live in a black district, 10 voting machines if you live in a white district. I think every single American ought to be able to vote! (Cheers, applause.) I used to say in the campaign -- I meant this sincerely -- I would rather have you go out and vote, even if you vote Republican, than stay home. I really would.

If we're going to have a democracy -- and Lord knows this administration is beginning to erode the core of our democracy -- the great genius of American democracy -- there are a lot of democracies in the world. The treat genius of American democracy is that if 48 percent of you vote one way, you still have some say about the government. Now they're trying to eliminate that. The protection of the minority is an important principle in America. For those 48 percent that didn't vote for President Bush -- (applause) -- the Constitution says we still have some say. Well, they don't think so. Dr. Frist, of videotape diagnosis fame, doesn't seem to think -- (laughter, applause) -- Dr. Frist doesn't seem to think that the minority of us have any say. We don't have any say in the House. We certainly don't have any say in the White House. We don't have much left in the courts -- although the courts are still too liberal for Tom DeLay. He wants to impeach them because they didn't agree with him a hundred percent. I always thought an independent judiciary was important for a strong democracy. And you know what? When the Democrats take over, it will be important again. It will be important again. (Applause.)

(a couple of paragraphs were redacted b/c of limit where he basically said that the one of the most important issues was to get people to the polls, no matter whom they voted for, because, that is democracy)

You -- (applause continues) -- you know, the idea that you have to wait on line for eight hours to cast your ballot in Florida -- there's something the matter with that. You think people can work all day and then pick up their kids at child care or wherever, and get home and then have a -- still manage to sandwich in an eight-hour vote? Well, Republicans, I guess, can do that, because a lot of them have never made an honest living in their lives. (Light applause.) But for ordinary working people, who have to work eight hours a day, they have kids, they got to get home to those kids, the idea of making them stand for eight hours to cast their ballot for democracy is wrong. We ought to make voting easier to do. Mail -- Oregon has got it right. (Applause.)


I was in the audience at the Take Back America Conference and I thought Dean was talking about people like Bush -- trust fund babies.

You can see all the conference's plenary speeches and get the transcripts in either PDF or Word at http://www.ourfuture.org/projects/national_conference/2005/speeches_archive.cfm

A friend in D.C. told us that Hannity had gone off on Dean for half an hour the morning after it was delivered on the radio. He also said that the GOP is really scared of Dean because he is appealing to a broader coalition than any previous DNC chair. Not only that but Dean is trying to get a focus on issues that people really care about rather than cow-towing to the agenda the GOP wants.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 07:34 PM
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7. They are just jumping on this because he is a Dem strength and
they always target our strengths. Repukes say more horrible things all the time.

One set of rules for them to follow - one set of rules for everybody else. Just like the sociopaths the neocons are.

They want to neuter him.

By saying people perhaps couldn't afford to wait in line as easy as repukes - I think he makes a point. If you are working class - I'm sure taking time off work and hiring a babysitter is a big deal.

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Ksec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 07:38 PM
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8. bingo. We have a winner
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Ksec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 07:40 PM
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9. They want to neuter him.
And sadly so do some of our own.
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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 08:53 PM
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15. People who haven't had to work for a living wouldn't understand this fact.
That's the whole point. Republicans have been painting liberals as out of touch latte sipping limosine liberals.

Dean's blasting them as a bunch out of touch trust fund babies who've never done an honest days work in their lives.

This scares the shit out of them and that's why they're attacking him. Dean just said the unspeakable--that the rich are screwing the poor and laughing all the way to the bank. If working class America starts believing this and voting as if they believe it, the smirking war criminal and his gang of crooks in the White House are through.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 09:21 PM
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17. In a strange way you can figure out where they are weakest by the
attacks. If they only attack us where Dems can win - that should be our gameplan.

Vietnam
Working people voting and needing short lines

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democracyindanger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 08:26 PM
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13. WHO CARES
Let us, dear fellow liberals, be the first to fucking drop the subject.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 08:43 PM
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14. It was an awesome speech
It should be quoted IN CONTEXT.
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