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ProgressiveDepot.com Donating Member (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 03:23 PM
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Would Gore be a good candidate in 2008?
and don't say it depends on who else is running. If he was running and your very favorite Dem was running too, would you think it a good thing for the Democratic Party if he got the nomination or no? I know 2008 is a long way away, just thought it might be an interesting discussion to see how people feel about him these days.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 03:24 PM
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1. yes
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 12:25 AM
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96. COMPARED TO WHO??
mY OPINION? NO GORE - NO KERRY.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 03:25 PM
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2. Yes. I hate recycling candidates, but he's an exception. nt.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 06:07 PM
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29. There is nothing wrong with recycling candidates if they are the right one
John Quincy Adams was a recycled candidate
Andrew Jackson was a recycled candidate
William Harrison was a recycled candidate
Grover Cleveland was a recycled candidate
Richard Nixon was a recycled candidate


Those are candidates that lost the first or second time and came back later and won again

There are more candidates that didn't make it out of the primaries but that requires more research.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 06:22 PM
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34. Good research, thanks. A couple more
Per your last statement about running in primaries and then winning. George HW Bush ran against Reagan in the primaries, and I believe, though I've forgotten, that Reagan ran against Ford in the primaries. Not good presidents, but evidence of what you said.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 03:25 PM
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3. I think so
I especially think he'd be good since he's one of the first of the modern crop of politicans who understands the issues of resource depletion (including "Peak Oil"), climate change, public health, and other long-neglected issues.

There are a lot of excellent candidates to choose from in the Democratic Party. Our luck has certainly changed.

--p!
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Sick_of_Rethuggery Donating Member (853 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 03:32 PM
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9. "There are a lot..."
"There are a lot of excellent candidates to choose from in the Democratic Party."

I will certainly echo that: I will take anyone of the following gladly: Gore, Kerry, Dean, Bradley, Clinton, Dodd, Daschle, Reid, ...

My personal favorite is Gore though, closely followed by Kerry who is followed even more closely by Dean...

Between Gore and Kerry the split is between the head and the heart ;-)
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Sick_of_Rethuggery Donating Member (853 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 03:26 PM
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4. Depends ;-)
Great President: yes, absolutely.

Good Candidate? I am not sure this country is ready for anybody sensible and smart. They only seem to judge beer-companionship :-(
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 03:26 PM
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5. No
First and foremost, it's up to him. I think he likes where he's at right now.

Second, he had his chance. Technically, he should have won but didn't (exit polls not being given consideration by the stuporeme court).

Since then, he'd said he was done with politics and since then has lambasted *. He did so only because he had no political future.

Had he been anywhere near that lively during campaign 2000, the subsequent court action (and even Jeb'n'Kathleen's activities) would have been pre-emptively mooted.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 10:32 PM
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88. Had he been anywhere near that lively, he'd be President
Remember the Dem base largely stayed home in 2000 or they voted for Nader. He's saying things about Bush now that are in no way out of line, they are things that need to be said. I'd be reluctant to support him in 2008 because of the shitty campaign he ran in 2000, but he certainly wouldn't be my last choice if he ran.
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DanCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 03:26 PM
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6. ABR
I am strictly ABR - Anyone but Republicans actualy I am ABRBIHWC anyone but republicans but I hope Wes Clark.
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rabid_nerd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 12:35 AM
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54. Isn't that a contradiction?
just sayin'
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DanCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 12:16 PM
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59. Not really
Clark's my front runner and has my support and what little money I have. However if he isn't elected i am going to be an adult about it and I will support anyone who has the best chance of defeatting the elephants at this point. 2008 is a long way off who knows what will happen by then.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 03:26 PM
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7. NO. He has done well recently when he had nothing to lose,
but when he's a candidate, he's so poll drived, and lets his handlers control him so much, I don't think he has a chance.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 10:40 PM
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90. Part of the problem was that on top of that, he was poorly handled
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Kazak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 03:27 PM
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8. I think so...
We'll be in dire need of someone to shepard us through the energy crisis. I think Gore is the man for that job.
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darkism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 03:32 PM
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10. He's won once already...
I don't see why he couldn't do it again.
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 03:35 PM
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11. Post DLC Gore? Yes n/t
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Protagoras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 03:35 PM
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12. Only if he began to act like Paul Wellstone or DK
or Barbara Boxer..or hell..even the guy who wrote Earth in the Balance.

But if he falls back in to that wooden politician funk he's worthless to us.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 03:40 PM
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15. I've got to say that
I agree with that sentiment. If he stays the guy he is right now and shows that passion, and NEVER, NEVER EVER apologizes for any overstatements (because they aren't possible) he makes against Repukelicans, he can win. How about this for a ticket? Gore/Clinton
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esvhicl Donating Member (123 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 03:37 PM
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13. Lincoln lost
Although you and I know that Gore actually won in 2000, I have always thought of Abe Lincoln when I think of Gore.

He would be great!

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esvhicl Donating Member (123 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 03:38 PM
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14. Premature post
My husband walked in and I posted to soon. LOL. Didn't finish my thought.

What I meant was, that Lincoln didn't win at first, yet went on to be GREAT! And so could Gore.
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elperromagico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 06:49 PM
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39. Lincoln won the first time he ran for President.
Edited on Wed Jun-08-05 06:52 PM by elperromagico
Jefferson didn't. Jackson didn't. William Henry Harrison didn't. Nixon didn't. I can't think of any other examples.

Historically, most two-time nominees who lose the first time end up as two-time losers.
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AlGore-08.com Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 03:56 PM
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16. Not good - - the best. He's a proven winner, folks.
He started his 2000 campaign 1 month after the impeachment attempt and was 20 points behind "any Republican" in the polls.

He was outspent, 2 to 1. (Because he accepted campaign spending limits and Smirk did not. And remember too that the law that made 527s like MoveOn and ACT possible had not been passed yet.)

He had the most hostile press coverage in modern history.

He went on to beat Smirk by 1/2 million votes. In 2004, Smirk won more votes than anybody in history. If this were college football, Gore would be the number 1 ranked team. (Gore also won the electoral college - - and the state that did it, Florida, was a lock for Bush up until late October.)

I have to respectfully disagree with the poster who said that Gore has changed his politics since 2000. Actually, we've all caught up with him - - he got a lot of sh*t in 2000 for running a populist campaign and attacking Bush, especially attacking Bush's connections to the far right. Gore also took cr*p for openly supporting civil rights, especially civil rights for gays and women. But does anybody seriously think that speeches written at a time of peace and prosperity would be as eloquent as speeches written after Smirk turned the country around, pointed it toward a cliff and stepped on the gas? Look at all the other great leaders of our country - - Jefferson, Lincoln and FDR all have a lifetime of eloquent, thoughtful writing and policies. But their best efforts come from the low points of American history. It would be the mark of a clueless person, or a cynic, to be saying the same things today that they were in 2000. Gore is neither.

Another poster said Gore has said he has retired from politics. This is not true. When he decided against running in 2002, he said that he had the drive and the desire to run again, but that too many people (party bigwigs) were ambivalent about a Bush/Gore rematch, so he stepped aside. During the fall of 2004, when it looked like Kerry was going to win, Gore said it was unlikely that he would ever have the opportunity to run again - - and if Kerry had won, there wouldn't have been an opportunity for Gore to run again for 12 years. Saying what he said was just common sense.

Since the end of the 2004 election, he has had several opportunities to say, flat out, "I've retired from politics". He never has said anything like that. He's always used the political phrases that mean "I'm testing the waters". There have been a number of published rumors that he's running (even after that nonsense by Chris Matthews), and we hear from our buddies in Tennessee that the TN Dem bigwigs all think he will run.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 04:00 PM
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20. I hope he does, and I hope the
G.et O.ld P.eople party run Brother Jeb, and Gore trounces him in a 50 state landslide.
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 03:58 PM
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17. I would sure like to have him. Better electabilty wise than Hillary
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 06:20 PM
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32. To me, he's the only one I'd choose over Hillary, at this point.
That, like anything else, could change. Kerry could light the Senate on fire and get Bush impeached, for instance, in which case I would elect him God--not saying it's going to happen, just that it would change my vote if it did.

So far, though, Gore is my wish, Hillary is second.
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DemBeans Donating Member (669 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 03:58 PM
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18. sure
I have a huge amount of respect for Gore, and if he ran in 2008 you can bet I'd work my fingers to the bone to help him. I just think he's terrific.
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mainer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 03:59 PM
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19. Yes!
Way better than Kerry. Since "losing" in 2000, Gore has blossomed into a crusader.
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 04:05 PM
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21. Al Gore is in a unique position.
He was cheated out of a Presidency by a Supreme Court populated by appointees of the other candidate's family political machine.

During the Bush pResidency, America has gone through some of the worst years in history, all of which can be laid directly at the feet of the Bush Criminal Empire, including the actions of their Muslim Frankenstein called Al Qaeda.

When Al Gore asks "Are you better off now than you were 8 years ago?" it won't be mere campaign rhetoric as it was with Reagan. It will be a legitimate question that ANY honest American could only answer "HELL No!".

Add on the historical precedent of Nixon in 1968, and I believe Gore is a VERY strong candidate for 2008.
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DemBeans Donating Member (669 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 04:10 PM
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22. absolutely agree
...and I've thought all along that the media was pushing Hillary down our throats so hard because who they're really scared of is - Gore.
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montana500 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 09:16 PM
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74. Gores platform lead: energy independence
it seems these days the TOP issue is how much gas costs. This seems to effect poll numbers more than ANYTHING.

Since everyone thinks Gore is that "global warming, tree hugger guy" he can run his campaign on being a leader to take America into the future, lower gas prices and work out a new energy plan.

It's perfect, really.
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 12:20 AM
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95. Great points. I'm not counting the man out.
I'm sure Al's going to continue being very active (particularly with the pending launch of his new tv network); maybe, between his name recognition, and (please?) a nation that realizes it made a terrible mistake in 2000, it could work.
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MN ChimpH8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 04:46 PM
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23. Yes
subject to the caveats some have mentioned. If he would be himself as he has been in his most recent public statements, he would be a terrific candidate. Screw the pollsters, Al, you're a smart enough guy to know what it takes to win elections - you've won enough of them.

I also like Wes Clark and :loveya: the idea of Boxer as VP.
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Lexingtonian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 05:31 PM
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24. he wouldn't get the nomination

The Party has changed.

The moderate wing that Gore represents arose from the ashes of 1994 when the conservative wing died, it attained dominance of the Party because the People needed it to stymy Gingrich and his reactionary Republicanism. It served that purpose in 1995 and the Lewinsky scandal, destroying its opponent. But it was overpowered by, in turn, the resurrection of the Republican Party as hardline conservatives in Florida in November 2000. Revived a little by Jim Jeffords's defection, it then got hit between the eyes with a 2x4 by '9/11'. Utterly helpless, it was bludgeoned to death by the November 2002 elections, dirt shoveled on the corpse by the Iraq war, and Republicans pissed on its grave in the elections of last November by taking out Tom Daschle and the markedly ineffectual John Edwards along with a bunch of lesser moderate wing Democrats as an encore.

This is what Republicans mean when they claim (a bit shortsightedly) that '9/11 changed everything' in domestic politics. This is what Democratic primary voters refer to when they voted John Kerry as nominee as "most electable"- it was a way of saying that the moderate wing has few credible answers left, inherently can't beat the hardline Republican conservative line. Whereas hardline liberals have answers, they are just tied down by all the conservatism and the factionalism it generates left in the Party. And, arguably, that's exactly what swing voters also said in exit polling and exit interviews in November.

The liberal wing of the Party is becoming the dominant one. The Party doesn't purge people much if at all; those objected to lose elections or defect or they get sidelined. What we are seeing at present is moderates coping in various ways to the reality of liberal plurality and liberal trend within the Party. Some adapting by slipping liberal, e.g. Howard Dean and Harry Reid. Some are putting up a fight for parity/status quo, for example Ben Nelson, John Edwards, Bill Richardson, Joe Lieberman (imho). Some are defecting and/or lost or swinging in the wind fully, or completely sidelined.

(The Clintons are doing some more complicated shifting, as is John Kerry, to not lose liberal cred while gaining moderate Republican cred in order to help wedge them.)

Gore just wouldn't make it through primaries at this point. His competition wouldn't be about how far to the center to run.
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AlGore-08.com Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 06:05 PM
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28. I disagree strongly, Gore would be THE liberal candidate in the primaries
Gore evolved past the DLC well before the 2000 race - - that's why they spent so much time between 2000 and 2002 complaining that "Gore ran a lousy campaign". Gore's populism, and his open support of gays, minorities and women was seen as nothing short of insane among the DLCers, even though it won him the race in 2000.

Since 2000, he has been on the "right" side of every issue - - during the 2002 campaign, he spoke out and wrote op-eds about how running a Republican lite campaign was wrong morally and bad politics. He opposed the invasion of Iraq & the Patriot Act before Congress even voted on them (and when he was polling 30 points ahead of any other potential 2004 primary opponent). Gore has blasted the Bush admin for it's corporate cronyism, environmental abuses, inability to tell the truth... you name the Bush abuse, Gore's spoken out about it. And in doing so, Gore put MoveOn on the corporate media's radar.

You should probably read some of his speeches to see what I'm talking about:

http://www.algore-08.com/?option=com_content&task=category§ionid=6&id=71&Itemid=123

Take some time and read a few - - and think about what the Dems in Congress were doing and saying at the time of each speech.
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funflower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 10:32 PM
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87. He's got, like, pretty good name recognition....
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kodi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 05:46 PM
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25. he is my favorite democrat and he would be an excellent candidate
al gore is a class act.

the next election campaign will not be like the last two. the democrats have started to fight back against the smear campaigns.

gore can stand before a crowd and remind folks how damned right he really was in 2000, and do not think he is will to turn the other cheek when attacked.

i thought that a sign that gore was still viable came when howard dean was made DNC chairman. remember, gore supported dean.
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ldf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 09:17 PM
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50. and!
gore could ask dean to be his vp!!!

well, i can dream, can't i?
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kodi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 09:37 PM
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51. imagine Gore asking "are you better off now than 8 years ago?"
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Thrasybulus Donating Member (71 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 05:55 PM
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26. Gore tops my short list
of 50 million Dems and independents I would vote for before voting Republican.
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Sick_of_Rethuggery Donating Member (853 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 09:35 PM
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75. Well put!
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 05:57 PM
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27. Yes, I'll always love and respect Al Gore.
He won in 2000 and fought like hell for us, up unto the bitter end where he had literally nothing left in his arsenal. I'd love for him to run again.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 06:08 PM
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30. He should had ran in 2004...
if he has the fire in his gut he should run in 2008
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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 06:16 PM
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31. I only wish he hadn't done the routine on Saturday Nite Live
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 10:58 PM
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92. We've all become so serious that I wonder if any candidate will ever
go on those shows. By 2008 the damage Bush has done will make laughter seem rare. I wonder if we have seen the last of Dem candidates trying to show themselves as "good sports."

Bush never appeared on those shows or showed any sense of humor about himself and we've learned to live with these dark humorless times of the Bush years.

Gore will probably be very changed if he runs. But, that's my opinion...
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 11:02 PM
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93. Yes...there are lots of folks we like that probably would fit with him as
VP, too.
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saskatoon Donating Member (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 06:21 PM
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33. Gore?
Here ladies and gentlmen we have another gentleman (in the classic sense) WHEN what we NEED is a Barracuda! somebody with the moxie to lay it on the line---tell it like it is, someone with FIRE. The time for gentlemanly tactics is long gone. Please folks WAKE up. You know Kerry lost because he was a gentleman and acted in a gentlemanly way. Bring this fight down to the street level (yes, i hate it as much as you do)BUT if the former did not work then WHERE in hell or what in hell do you suggest?
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 06:26 PM
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36. Problem is
the Republicans are bullies, and they have the knack for knowing when to change, so just as we ran a bully, they would become the gentleman party and make us look bad.

Gore won, Kerry almost won (and may have without voter supression), but the races were very close, not because our candidates were too nice, but because no matter what our candidates did the media lied to make them look bad and to make Bush look good. Barracudas or guppies, what we need is someone smart enough to outmanuever both the Republicans and the national media. That's what I like about Gore. He's smarter than the average bear when it comes to strategy. He wouldn't lose twice.
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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 06:38 PM
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37. How about this
A gentleman with brass knucks. If we can have someone who still carries themselves the old-fashioned way but has no issues with busting heads, then that should do nicely compared to some thug.
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Sick_of_Rethuggery Donating Member (853 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 09:49 PM
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77. Kerry very nearly was.
With a little more focus and a little less collusion of the media with the GOP, he might have even put it away, despite all the thuggery.

His convention speech was just exactly right in hitting that iron-fist in velvet-glove note. And he kept that beautiful straddle up through most of his speeches and definitely the 3 debates. It is just that the thugs and the media never give people the needed time and space to feel those punches delivered ever so subtly...sigh.

I sometimes think that the reason why the media people cling so desperately to their life-raft of dumping on the Dems, is because they are afraid if they were even half-way decent to the Dems, there would be no contest at all...
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Sick_of_Rethuggery Donating Member (853 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 09:43 PM
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76. Where have you been the last 4 years?
Gore has been tearing them to pieces. Even back when he did have everything on the line (before he decided not to run in 2004, that is).

He is far more effective than even Dean, since he is sharper in his rhetoric and more focused and thorough in his indictments (Dean in my opinion is more hot-headed and emotional than Gore -- Gore can be coldly rational in his focus and thoroughness of attack, which is precisely the reason why the media/GOP cabal are so afraid of him. Kerry is very good too, but in a more subtle and gentlemanly way, as with his convention speech, confirmed by a slightly less mean/vindictive media/GOP cabal approach to him. Read their speeches, you will see what I mean. I have most of them taped and have been meaning to digitize and upload them...)

For now, you can read them at:

http://www.algore-08.com/?option=com_content&task=category§ionid=6&id=71&Itemid=123

(Thanks, AlGore-08 !!)
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 06:25 PM
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35. gore/boxer
n/t
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elperromagico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 06:48 PM
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38. I'll ask the same thing of Gore as I will of any other potential candidate
Where does he win that he couldn't win in 2000?

Where does he win that Kerry couldn't win in 2004?

Can he win back some of the Clinton '92 or '96 states?

We've had two elections in a row where the final result rested on a single state. The Republicans come out on top in that situation. Can a Gore candidacy (or any Democratic candidacy) prevent a Republican trifecta?
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election_2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 06:55 PM
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40. No, he should concentrate on fighting corporate news
I'm so sick of hearing Gore-this, Hillary-that....the Democrats need a new voice, or else it will perpetuate the image that the Democratic Party is a group of elitists where only a select few are considered "worthy" of receiving the nomination.

Plus, Gore hasn't DONE anything to qualify him for running for president over the past five years. Even Hillary (who really should remain in the Senate) has a Senate career to cite.

Put up Gore or Hillary, and the Democrats will look like a uncreative party of "politics as usual" that can't think outside the box and continues to bog itself down in its past instead of being forward-thinking.
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laugle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 07:03 PM
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41. I like Gore alot but,
He needs to get in shape again. He has to have alot of energy. He seems to be doing alot of eating. Last time I saw him, he was huge and seemed to be out of breath. I hope he will take care of his health, he is a good man!
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Jackson4Gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 07:55 PM
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45. Wow, that is classy
Here are some recent photos of Al in he which he looks very well:













http://algore2008.net/
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laugle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 06:10 PM
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71. I didn't mean it in
a mean spirited way. Is that blood on his nose in that picture? It looks bad. Anyway, I like Gore very much. I think he got royally screwed out of the presidency! If he were in, I know we would not be in Iraq!! My visions of a Gore presidency are; a great economy, good schools, environmental laws that protect our forests, food, air, water, and the fricking planet. And damm it we would have gotton Osama. We would not be hated, we would still have our credibility!! Yes I am a classy lady. But you know how rigorous a campaign is and you must be in top shape. A few extra pounds is one thing, an extra 40-50 is not good.
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 07:05 PM
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42. I actually think it could work
Most people would clearly feel that the 90's were better than the '00s and he would really be able to play on that. I would definitely support him and I think he would be favored to win against most repubs.
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many a good man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 08:24 PM
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48. Very good point!
Lots of Americans are starting to look up and say to themselves "WTF happened to this country?!" The 90s seem like the good old days.
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Awsi Dooger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 07:10 PM
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43. No, perception has a nasty habit of becoming reality
Edited on Wed Jun-08-05 07:10 PM by Awsi Dooger
Ask the apolotical types who decide elections about Al Gore and you'll receive two assessments above all: he lost and he's too stiff/boring. That unfortunately can't be altered by anything Gore does in the next three years, including primaries.

Gore in 2008 wouldn't benefit from the Clinton economy and prosperity like he did in 2000. Great guy and would have been a terrific president but he botched the election in that first debate. I have that campaign, including debates, on tape and it's gruesome to watch. Bush had the most horrific September imaginable until Gore sighed the lead back to him.
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Gingergal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 07:54 PM
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44. Yes, he should be the candidate and President!!
He can beat up the repubs over the Bush war with Iraq because he was one of the very few Dems to come out openly against the war. He has the credentials and credibility.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 07:56 PM
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46. You are so right, and true! What would Gore run on?
There ain't no more money in the "lock box" y'all.

All of our money is over at the Pentagon now.

If Gore thinks that he can cut some pentagon budget to fund the programs that would benefit our domestic policies, then he should run. Otherwise....let someone who can cut that goddam pentagon budget without batting an eye have a go at it.

Health care, Social Security, the economy?.....hell, we ain't got money for nothin'till that's done! :cry:
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 08:10 PM
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47. I like the potential for a Nixonian symmetry
Edited on Wed Jun-08-05 08:12 PM by 0rganism
JFK beat Nixon, former VP of Eisenhower, in an extremely close 1960 race. LBJ beat Sen. Goldwater in 1964. Then Nixon returned to win big in 1968. Gore could be our Nixon.

However, to truly do this right, we need a "northern strategy". Let's plan on taking back all those red states north of Mason-Dixon.

Then, Al Gore can complete the reversal by running the second-most honest, uncorrupt, peaceful, and enlightened administration ever.
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many a good man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 08:29 PM
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49. Let the people decide
Let anyone who wants to throw his/her hat into the ring.

We need a miracle. We're long overdue for a miracle.

We need some who's not just good on paper. We need someone who has charisma and can light a fire. Al has certainly shown some sparks the past few years. I'm willing to see if he can start a fire.

To hell with the pundits and self-appointed experts! (Including many of us here!) I wanna miracle and I don't care where it comes from. I'd love to be surprised!

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tinfoilinfor2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 09:43 PM
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52. Perhaps the country at this point might see Gore as the man
who won the election the first time through and who should have had the opportunity to carry it through. Good thought.
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rabid_nerd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 12:33 AM
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53. Yes
without so much as looking at any responses, absolutely, positively yes.

He brings things up before Dean, before the CBC, before the DFA, before MoveOn.org, and acts on them first.

He already is the leader.
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AmericanDream Donating Member (714 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 12:49 AM
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55. Nope
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 01:09 AM
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56. It goes without saying...
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Crazy Janey Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 11:17 AM
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57. GORE IN 2008!
Gore is, hands down, the best--the ONLY--choice for 2008. No one else has the experience, the wisdom, the intelligence, the connections, and the ability to win that Gore has. No one.
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election_2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 10:17 PM
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79. I think Hillary's supporters would disagree with you on that....
But I've given up trying to argue with them!
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noonwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 11:58 AM
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58. Better than Kerry
At least he won the 2000 election, he can get the votes. He's just got to get Florida, Arkansas or Tennesee this time.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 12:22 PM
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60. I could vote for a Gore Edwards Clark Clinton Kerry ticket
:)
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 03:56 PM
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61. Absolutely !!!
Prometheus Gore deserves to be President and The United States along with the Planet Earth need him now more than ever.He was basically trashed by the so called Mainstream Media (wooden,stiff,boring,ranting and he sighed) because he more than any other political leader is responsible for the democratization of information that we now know as the internet. This is why the "MSM" never corrected the Al Gore "invented the internet" slander. They were too enraged at not being the sole gatekeepers to the truth anymore. Information is power and AL Gore took a big chunk of it away from them and gave it to the people and he has paid the price ever since. If Americans ever want to regain the high moral ground again we need to have his back and put him in the White House in 08.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 03:57 PM
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62. Oh, Gawd, not again
Yeah, lets remind everyone how democrats lose.

fuck
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Old_Fart Donating Member (805 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 04:11 PM
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63. Yes
He has taken tons of shit from the media and how much more could the "dig up" on him. They started out with the bullshit about Gore saying that he invented the Internet and everyone has heard that one. People get sick of hearing the same old bullshit and they have nothing left to use against him.

Gore/Dean 2008 :dem:
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Sick_of_Rethuggery Donating Member (853 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 10:01 PM
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78. I have been thinking along the same lines too...
Whoever it is in the end, has to be a candidate already slimed thoroughly by the media -- then Gore/Kerry/Dean gets in their face and says "ok, now what?". I think even the idiots in the media would then have to discuss issues with older, tested dem candidates in the race.

In fact, we should dems should do a true in your face and have a Gore/Kerry ticket, so there is nowhere to hide for these mindless gatekeepers...
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aspberger Donating Member (230 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 04:19 PM
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64. Gore lacks charisma
let's don't go down the same path again. we need someone who can stir the hearts of the typical american and not just policy wonks and party regulars.
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election_2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 10:18 PM
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80. I agree
Blanche Lincoln 2008!

http://www.lincoln2008.com
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Vadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 10:24 PM
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82. You're joking, right???? Blanche Lincoln????......n/t
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election_2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 10:29 PM
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86. No, I'm not joking
http://www.lincoln2008.com

Do you honestly believe that Blanche Lincoln would lose Florida, Ohio, Nevada, Colorado, Arizona, and West Virginia to Bill Frist, Sam Brownback, Mark Sanford, or George Allen?
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karinhouston Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 05:23 PM
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65. Gore is THE man!
Clinton's real better half!
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 05:29 PM
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66. Charisma?
Yes according to the Corporate Owned Propaganda Machine or MSM, Gore did not have charisma, I strongly disagree with them. I believe they brainwashed the American people in to believing that, just as they brainwashed the 70+% that Saddam Hussein was behind 9/11. According to them George W. Bush had charisma, the kind of guy you would love to have a beer with (if you drank beer). The nation has been drunk ever since, we need a sober, thoughtful, brilliant visionary and Al Gore fits that bill better than anybody else hands down.
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 05:30 PM
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67. Yes
Edited on Thu Jun-09-05 05:32 PM by longship
I believe he would be a good candidate for the nomination. I reserve my judgement on whether he would be the best candidate for the Presidency, though.

Unlike Kerry and Clinton, who I could not support for the nomination, I could support Gore if I was convinced that he would actively take on the lies, the cheating, and the reprehensible positions of the Repugs. I believe he would be a very credible candidate if he did so. But, if I thought he was going to run another feckless campaign like he did in 2000, he would not receive any support from me.

The first step for any candidate is an unequivocal opposition to the war in Iraq and to the Gulags of torture. This has to be the number one issue in the campaign. I could not support any candidate who didn't put these issues front and center.
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 05:42 PM
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68. I would Support President Gore in Taking His Rightful Place
At the helm of our great nation.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 05:44 PM
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69. Yes- he opposed the war & is moderate on domestic issues....
...and he also seems to be aware of media bias as well.

I like Gore & I will be following him closely.

My choices are Clark, Gore or Kerry- in that order.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 06:04 PM
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70. Gore/Dean 2008!
They could win!
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Peoplepower Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 08:37 PM
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72. YES!
We need to have the President we should have had to make things right. All will not be right with the world until we do. Gore/Dean or Gore/Feingold!
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 05:59 AM
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97. Russ Feingold is another good chioce!
Edited on Fri Jun-10-05 06:00 AM by Hubert Flottz
A very bright man and his heart is in the right place...

EDIT} WELCOME to DU!
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montana500 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 09:14 PM
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73. hell yes!
The right wing media smear machine would look dated and old hat if we sent GOre into the emar machine. There are no more surprises at all.
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Singular73 Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 10:19 PM
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81. Yes
People yearn for the Clinton years back...
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Patchuli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 10:24 PM
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83. Yes, I think the legitmate winner
of the 2000 presidential election should be our President! You bet!

He's still smart as hell and has a heart. I voted for him in 2000 and would vote for him again, especially after feeling let down by the current bunch pretty much!

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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 10:26 PM
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84. Say what you want about Al, but I LIKE him.
Al is a good man and a good politician, not afraid to say what he believes, and despite what the media will tell you (like many DUers) he WON in 2000. I think running him again is a viable option, but certainly not our best.
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 10:28 PM
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85. I dream of a Gore/Kerry revenge ticket. I think JK should defer to Gore
in the top spot because after all he won first in 2000.
Everyone who felt robbed in 2000 and 2004 would vote for them. That's a lot of people.


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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 04:45 PM
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106. That was my dream ticket in 2000
then came slow-Joe with his No-mentum.

Much better ticket than 2000 or 2004, but Kerry would never go for it. Neither would Gore, I bet.

I don't think these guys like each other much.
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 07:59 PM
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109. Really, too bad. They are both very interested in the environment.
What gives, why don't they like each other.
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funflower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 10:39 PM
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89. YES YES YES!!!
:bounce:

His candidacy would make people think about all the awful stuff that wouldn't have happened if he'd become President in January 2001.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 10:46 PM
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91. hell yeah!
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Dervill Crow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 11:11 PM
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94. Oh, heck, yes!
He won fair and square the first time he ran. No reason to think he couldn't do it again.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 10:34 AM
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98. Esprit de Gore
Last Saturday in San Francisco, the self-described "guy who used to be the next president of the United States" delivered an hour-long multimedia presentation on the scientific evidence of global warming to hundreds of guests crammed into a tent for the culmination of the city's five-day-long U.N. World Environment Day celebration. The audience, peppered with celebrities, members of Congress, U.N. officials, and dozens of mayors from around the world, erupted into a standing ovation when Gore wrapped up his quasi-evangelical call to action.

Thrusting his fists skyward, he rattled off the seemingly insurmountable challenges civilization has overcome in the past -- slavery, communism, restricted suffrage, segregation, disease, apartheid -- and roared, "So now we are called to use our political institution, our democracy, our free speech, our reasoning capacity, our citizenship, our hearts, and talk with one another, reason with one another, see the reality of this problem, act as Americans, and understand that it's a different issue than any we've ever faced." Then the crescendo: "We have to make our stand!" he thundered. "This is our home! We must keep our eyes on the prize! Help solve this problem!"

Not all of the speech was so histrionic. There were frequent moments of comic relief,
including parodic animation from the producers of The Simpsons about how global warming works. And Gore succeeded in telling the climate-change story with surprisingly good narrative rhythm and in accessible terms rather than overly wonky or academic language -- something few public figures have managed, or even attempted, to do.

http://www.grist.org/news/muck/2005/06/09/little-gore/
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 10:43 AM
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99. He would have to promise to do better at picking a running mate n/t
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Lowell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 11:34 AM
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100. Gore is a winner
He won in 2000 only to have it stolen by the SCOTUS.

People talk about him lacking charisma and being wooden. These people obviously haven't listened to or seen him since the 2000 debacle. One thing about the American public is that they really have short memories. Of those voting in 2008 many will not remember some of his poor performances, but if they are paying attention they will be aware of what he has been saying since then.

Al Gore did not roll over at the drop of the hat like Kerry did. He fought for recounts and only gave up after the SCOTUS appointed Bush. I admired him for that. This time fewer people will take the chance voting third party than did his first run. We have learned our lessons.

The Republiscum are afraid of Al Gore. He is literate, articulate and intelligent as opposed to the bumbling village idiot in the white house now. The Repukes are appealing to the lowest elements in society to carry their numbers, while they only reward the highest income brackets. Quite mystifying really.

Don't they remember what Will Rogers said? "If you want to live like a republican, then you better vote like a democrat."
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 11:40 AM
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101. Fix the machines first...NOTHING ELSE MATTERS!!!!
JFK wouldn't win against Hitler if Hitler had Repuke voting machines on his side.

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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 04:26 PM
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102. You cannot argue with that.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 04:28 PM
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103. I agree.....
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 04:28 PM
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104. You cannot argue with that. n/t
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minnesotaDFLer Donating Member (207 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 04:29 PM
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105. no
we need someone more like dean, not neccesarily dean but someone whos not afraid to get up there badmouth his opponents.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 06:46 PM
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107. Calling Bush a moral coward !
Do you mean like this?

Gore: Bush Administration displays "a stunning display of moral cowardice" dealing with Global Climate Change and the Kyoto Protocol

http://www.buzzflash.com/alerts/05/02/ale05029.html
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libodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 06:53 PM
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108. Good candidate
and he'd win, this time!
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