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quaoar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 10:43 PM
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USA Today explains why it hasn't covered DSM
This is the last paragraph of the story:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-06-07-bush-blair_x.htm

USA TODAY chose not to publish anything about the memo before today for several reasons, says Jim Cox, the newspaper's senior assignment editor for foreign news. "We could not obtain the memo or a copy of it from a reliable source," Cox says. "There was no explicit confirmation of its authenticity from (Blair's office). And it was disclosed four days before the British elections, raising concerns about the timing."

And then get this BS from the same article:

Robin Niblett of the Center for Strategic and International Studies, a Washington think tank, says it would be easy for Americans to misunderstand the reference to intelligence being "fixed around" Iraq policy. " 'Fixed around' in British English means 'bolted on' rather than altered to fit the policy," he says.

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Spectral Donating Member (500 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 10:44 PM
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1. This is BS. The Times of London published the DSM May 1, 2005
And I think that is a credible source.

:shrug:
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 10:45 PM
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2. Unlike the Swift Boat Thugs and Liars
Yes, they were so well-verified and checked out. Yes, they were certainly coverable and certainly to be taken seriously.

More crap from the canary's cage liner.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 10:47 PM
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3. I'm so glad I never spent a dime on this trash paper.
USA today, you are a disgrace.Contact the DNC and Give 'em Hell About NOT Acting on Election Fraud

NEW LEADERS FOR A NEW DEMOCRATIC PARTY
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neuvocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 10:48 PM
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4. They're the only ones with that excuse apparently.
That one's coming straight out of the White House. Geez, they're just not trying anymore.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 10:50 PM
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5. USAToday ... I only see it in hotels, where it gets shoved
under my door ... and thence kicked onto the bathroom floor.

McPaper ... kiss my McAss
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Montauk6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 10:51 PM
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6. Couldn't get a copy from a "reliable" source, eh?
Of course, because you simply can't trust those Internets.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 10:53 PM
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7. My BS detector is smelling a huge pile of it
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 10:54 PM
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8. That didn't seem to "bother" them
Edited on Wed Jun-08-05 10:56 PM by FrenchieCat
when the "Bin Laden" tape showed up right before OUR election....now did it? We are dealing with pure assholes.
We get the October surprise.....and now, everyone is skeptical?

It's ok to let terrorists call our election, but gee, must...think....twice...about.....an....internal....British....memo...to.....be....discussed....5 months.....after......our....election!

Gimme a goddamn break!
PLEASE! :eyes:
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RUMPLEMINTZ Donating Member (218 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 10:56 PM
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9. I was researching the DSM and I
came across this. My question is, is this the same thing we are talking about? I'm not sure. It seems the same. Check out the date of the article.

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,759158,00.html
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quaoar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 10:58 PM
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10. Here's some more from the USA Today article
Knight Ridder Newspapers distributed a story May 6 that said the memo "claims President Bush ... was determined to ensure that U.S. intelligence data supported his policy." The Los Angeles Times wrote about the memo May 12, The Washington Post followed on May 15 and The New York Times revisited the news on May 20.

None of the stories appeared on the newspapers' front pages. Several other major media outlets, including the evening news programs on ABC, CBS and NBC, had not said a word about the document before Tuesday. Today marks USA TODAY's first mention.

Some activists who opposed Bush's decision to attack Iraq have been peppering editors with letters and e-mails to push the media into more aggressive coverage. Last week, a group known as Democrats.com offered $1,000 to anyone who can get Bush to answer "yes or no" to this question: Did he or his administration "fix the intelligence" about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction and alleged ties to terrorism?

"We want what the Michael Jackson, Paris Hilton and Star Wars stories have gotten: endless repetition until people have heard about it," says David Swanson, one of Democrats.com's organizers.

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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 11:02 PM
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11. On Lehrer tonight (PBS) a reason was given that appeals
In answer to the question of why DSM hasn't gotten American coverage, a NYT editor offered that one reason could be because the story is bigger than currently thought, and that the lull is everyone getting their ducks in a row.

He says, hesitantly, that he didn't have evidence that this was the case, but he hoped it was.

A definite hint of a hint.
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quaoar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 11:04 PM
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12. That editor's full of shit
If that was the case, the NYT ombudsman would not have criticized the paper for ignoring the story.
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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 11:39 PM
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15. Both interpretations could be self-serving
In penning some NYT self-criticism, some sense of integrity is preserved. Admit to something tolerable, perhaps, to dim outside criticism.

On the other hand, hinting on PBS that there were nobler, more interesting, more significant reasons for delaying coverage is self-serving as well. So I see your point. And I AM stubbornly suspicious of efforts to keep the focus narrowly on DSM while ignoring reams of supporting writing, articles, interviews, etc. If NYT would even re-publish some of its own articles on cooked intelligence, official misgivings, and pressure on CIA, then they would appear to be doing a reasonable research job that would be expected in any journalism 101 class.

I may have been taken in, but I'll continue to enjoy it for a while longer. This thing is developing fast now and we'll see where it goes.
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 11:12 PM
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13. If "fixed around" doesn't mean that the intelligence was fixed,
why did the idiot find it so offensive that this information was released to the British media during Blair's election?

Any British DUers here to tell us the meaning of "fixed around" as used in these transcribed meeting minutes?
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Kazak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 11:20 PM
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14. Boy, the roaches are really starting scurry about now, aren't they?
:D
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 11:45 PM
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16. "Freedom of the press is limited to those who have one." - A.J. Liebling
In the US, there is no such thing as a major news network that is both owned and operated by ordinary citizens. No, that sounds too much like a socialist organization, and socialism is bad! Very bad!
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