Zell Miller: John Edwards "exploits class warfare, it's his only issue"

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,158819,00.html

COLMES: You know, Karl Rove (search) calls Democrats dumb. He says dumb as they are, they can catch on quick. The head of the New York Republican Party calls Hillary Clinton a liar, calls Dean — compares him to a woman convicted of consorting with terrorists. And I don't hear the same kind of outrage on the right that I hear about every time Howard Dean opens his mouth. Where's the outrage there?

MILLER: Well, at least he didn't say, "Let's close up Guantanamo." I'll give him credit for that. And as far as John Edwards (search) is concerned, I like him, but no one has been more shill and more strident as far as exploiting class warfare than John Edwards. It was the only issue he had in the 2004 election. It was the only arrow he had in his quiver, and it's the only one he will have in 2008.

COLMES: Exploiting class welfare? When John Edwards talks about poverty, he talks about the two Americas, which is true, an administration that during which we've had the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. It's documented by almost every economic think tank. Where was John Edwards wrong? He's actually right about the things he said. It's about time we focused on that kind of action.

MILLER: It is something that we ought to focus on. And I think we are focusing it on. But you don't use it in such or an emotional way that you pit the haves against the have-nots, and vice versa.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

1. Zell Miller exploits the (D) next to his name.

It's HIS only issue.

[bklyncowgirl]

12. If Zell joined the GOP which is where he belongs...

No one would ever listen to him again. He'd just be part of the crowd.

As a dissident Democrat he gets airtime way beyond the value of anything he has to say.

Ditto Lieberman.

[FreedomAngel82]

46. Exactly

What a dolt. Edwards actually cares about poverty and has been working on that long before he ran in 2004. If Zell Miller knew Edwards he would know that. Why doesn't he change his party affiliation already and get it over with.

[bunkerbuster1]

2. Thats *Former* Senator, and lest we forget

he's also a "never actually ELECTED, rather, appointed" senator as well.

[dsc]

13. He did get elected

He got appointed at first but got elected in 2000 to the rest of the term. Similar to what Carnahan was trying to do in 2002.

[Awsi Dooger]

59. He was also elected to two terms as Georgia governor

In 1990 it was a walkover, if I remember correctly, a 7 or 8 point margin. But in '94 Miller barely survived with a furious latenight Atlanta rally, winning narrowly in a race he was expected to cruise. Of course, that was the night anyone with a D was in jeopardy, even a pseudo D like Zell Miller.

[Justitia]

3. He isn't dead yet? All that hate is rotting his arteries. -eom

[kayice]

23. Surprised he hasn't died of rattlesnake bites yet........n/t

[Ravenseye]

4. Point out how the Republicans are attacking the poor

and it's called Class Warfare....

This is what Dean needs to be pointing out. When Republicans screw everyone but the Rich by giving them a huge tax break they call it a middle class tax cut cause the average Joe gets a hundred bucks back...The Democrats pointing out the tax cut is unfairly balanced to the rich and is hurting the middle class because even though they're getting 100 bucks they're losing 200 bucks worth of services....

That's class warfare.

*sigh*

[Zenlitened]

9. The proper response to the "Dems are waging class warfare" line is...

... "You are goddamn right we are!"

[Ravenseye]

11. Perfect!

That's absolutely correct!

You're waging class warfare!

Yeah, damn straight! And we'll keep waging class warfare until the Republicans stop stealing from the poor to give to the rich. Not even the poor. They steal from the poor and the middle class to give to the ultra rich and they hide it.

They're waging class warfare, and we're waging class warfare. Choose which side you want to be on...

Millionares and Billionares vs. Everyone Else

We're the Everyone Else side.

[Skip Intro]

5. Don't watch faux - does Colmes always let non-answers go by?

COLMES: You know, Karl Rove (search) calls Democrats dumb. He says dumb as they are, they can catch on quick. The head of the New York Republican Party calls Hillary Clinton a liar, calls Dean — compares him to a woman convicted of consorting with terrorists. And I don't hear the same kind of outrage on the right that I hear about every time Howard Dean opens his mouth. Where's the outrage there?

MILLER: Well, at least he didn't say, "Let's close up Guantanamo." I'll give him credit for that. And as far as John Edwards (search) is concerned, I like him, but no one has been more shill and more strident as far as exploiting class warfare than John Edwards. It was the only issue he had in the 2004 election. It was the only arrow he had in his quiver, and it's the only one he will have in 2008.
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Colmes asked about Republican smearing of Democrats - Hillary called liar and Dean called terrorist-sympathizer - and zell answered with his impression of John Edwards, didn't answer the question - a good question, imho, at all.

And Colmes just moves on.

Is that standard operating procedure for him?

[aden_nak]

6. For Colmes, that was brash. Damn near ballsy, in fact.

Perhaps he is secretly inspired by Howard Dean, but compared to the normal sedated Alan Colmes, that's not a bad performance. Hell, he probably got chewed out for even going that far.

[TankLV]

53. Colmes is at best middle of the road - certainly "fair"

too much so to the other side.

He is of a different generation and mindset.

He is CERTAINLY not the antithesis of whomever he is opposite on a show. He is CERTAINLY not a liberal or a progressive by any means.

He is the classic definition of centrist or moderate.

[Goldeneye]

7. Dooby dooby doo. Do do do do do do dooby dooby do.

Do you hear something? What is that grunting? Zell...is that you?

[applegrove]

8. Democrats don't play people off each other to get elected. They

have not tribalized the USA so they could get elected. Democrats do fine when the electorate is informed and active and being themselves. Repukes are the ones who have to manipulate patriotism. Like Disrali said: conservatism is organized hypocrisy. Conservatives cannot get elected on domestic economic issues. They have to invent other issues to get elected. Patriotism, making people vote on their values as better than somebody else's (in a free society strange no?).

[rateyes]

10. Actually, Zell was elected after he was appointed, and

I'm sad to say that I voted for him down here in Georgia. But, that was BEFORE his CONversion. Now we have SUXby Chambliss and JOHNny ISUXson--two more Zell Miller Republicans. When are the Democrats going to KICK PEOPLE LIKE ZELL OUT OF THE PARTY?

[safi0]

14. How exactly do you

Kick people like Zell out of the party, the Dems have pretty much cut off all ties with him, unlike the other former Democratic Senator from Georgia(a truly great man) you don't hear about Zell at fundraisers and events for the party. I really don't know what more they can really do to him.

[rateyes]

15. You may have a point there...

don't want to make him a martyr. But, I'm tired of people running in Georgia on the Democratic Ticket, taking contributions from Democrats, getting elected, and switching parties the day after the election. It's fraud--and, they ought to have to pay the money back. And, BTW, I wish Max had run against Johnny. We need him back on the front lines.

[safi0]

16. I feel your pain

I just think that unfortunately we were hoodwinked by Miller and maybe we should be a little more careful about who we nominate in the future, but there's really nothing to do about Miller now.

[rateyes]

17. I understand,

but I'm also tired of Zell getting airtime because he's a renegade "Democrat." However, I do know that we have to move on and try to take the state back. Just don't know who to trust any more.

[TheFarseer]

56. Jeffords never gets any air time

He's a renegade republican as much as Zell is a renegade democrat. Maybe you have to switch parties AND make an ass of yourself on national TV challenging Tweety to a duel to get some publicity.

[FreedomAngel82]

47. Isn't that illegal if they

run on the democratic ticket and get elected as a democrat and while in office out of nowhere change to what they really are? Can't something be done about that?

[rateyes]

51. Nope. At least not yet.

But, Democrats can do something about it. Personally, I would love to bring civil suit against them for fraud. But, it's not gonna happen.

[bunkerbuster1]

25. There's no official drumming-out ceremony, but

that doesn't mean we couldn't create one.

Honestly, I am sick and tired of this pig being referred to as a "Democrat."

A Democrat does not endorse a Republican president's re-election when there are nine Democrats running for the Democratic nomination, (especially when Joementum was one of those running--now, why hasn't someone asked this jerk why he couldn't get behind Holy Joe? Why hasn't someone pushed that button? I mean, we ALL KNOW WHY ZELL REALLY COULDN'T BACK JOE, and yet nobody will push this. But I digress.)

And most importantly, a Democrat does not go on prime time TV and spin lies about a Democratic presidential candidate at the Republican Fucking National Convention.

You can't get any more not-Democratic than Zell "I am such a sack of shit!" Miller.

[rateyes]

28. It just takes a vote of the party

and a letter. I know a guy who was "supposedly" a Democrat in Virginia, who ran the "Democrats for Allen" campaign when he was running for Governor. The party voted him out, and sent him a letter telling him to stay away, he was no longer welcome.

[bunkerbuster1]

29. interesting--but doesn't that depend on the state?

wouldn't georgia dems have to do the deed?

Well, here's one who'll support such a measure.

[rateyes]

32. Yeah, they would..

and that's why it won't happen.

[FreedomAngel82]

48. If that happens

then Miller can go on faux and all these other rightwing shows and say "the mean old democrats kicked out an old man out of the party" and spin spin spin. :eyes: I wish he'd change already to an (r). Maybe Bush can have a big fanfare for him or something.

[bunkerbuster1]

61. I'm all about being a "mean old democrat"

sure beats the pink-tutu variety.

Let's drum the scheming, corrupt, evil SOB out. So Faux news will spin it? Bring it, bitches.

[bunkerbuster1]

24. yeah, my bad.

I'd not realized he'd actually been elected after his appointment. T'was prior to my arrival in this (cough, mumble) state.

[rateyes]

27. I hear you...

I often wonder if the guy who followed him as governor (Brain fart here, can't even recall his name!!!) ever feels sorry for appointing him in the first place. (What is his name!!)

[bunkerbuster1]

30. Roy Barnes. Smart fellow, but he bit off more than he could chew.

Thought he could piss off the teacher's union, and northern suburbanites who didn't want the Northern Arc, and he let Sonny Turdue sneak in.

(Flaggers my ass--those hicks were never going to vote for Roy anyway.)

[rateyes]

31. Thanks. I'm beginning to wonder if

I need to get checked for Alzheimer's. BTW, do you think Cathy Cox is a REAL Democrat. Thinking about voting for her over the Lt. Governor. Would be nice to have someone with ovaries in the Governor's chair.

And, you're right about the flaggers. I sometimes think that African-Americans in Georgia ought to co-opt the Rebel Flag, use it as a symbol of Black-pride--after all, the state was built on their backs. What a kick in the pants that would be for the flaggers!

[bunkerbuster1]

33. That'd be kinda cool

the black flaggers, I mean.

I could see the white flaggers giving the first coupla black folks a "thumbs up," and then, realizing to their horror, that they'd been completely co-opted...

Never happen, but fun to imagine.

As for Cathy Cox (remember, the "Kathy Cox" who's the batty Sec'y of Ed, spells her name with a "K", as in "Kook"), well, on one hand, she seems to have a lot of popular support and could go all the way in 2006.

on the other hand, she is about as committed to Diebold as a pol can get. She's always singing their praises. She's poo-pooed the idea of having paper receipts, even, for Diebold machine voting as being too expensive (I think the estimate was about 19 million to retrofit).

So I dunno about her.

[rateyes]

37. Yeah, I wondered

about that when I was "touching the screens" myself. I voted for Kerry, but don't know if it actually counted. THe only thing that makes me feel better about it is that, in this instance, the Sec.of State is a Democrat.

Back to the flaggers. I think that on one side of the T-shirt it says, FUBU--the other side has the rebel flag with the words, Black is Beautiful.

[spooky3]

18. I figure whenever Rethugs and wannabe Rethugs are unhappy

whoever they are criticizing is doing something right!

[saltpoint]

19. These days anyway, Zell doesn't have to worry about his next meal.

Or how to pay the electric bil, or new jackets and shoes for is children, or whether there's enough to pay the doctor or dentist.

Edwards is talking about the Americans who have to worry about things like this every day, all the time. He's exactly right, and brave for saying so.

For Miller to attempt to denigrate that effort is pure shitwork.

He should be ashamed of himself.

[Vickers]

20. I like the way they digitally removed the rabid foam from around

his mouth. That there is the kind of attention to detail that anyone can admire.

[rateyes]

22. ROFL

:rofl:

[Triana]

21. Who reinserted his feeding tube? (n/t)

[AX10]

26. Yet, another example of why Lincoln was TOO kind to DAS...

south! Georgia is the Fourth Reich!

:puke:

[kodi]

34. hey asshat miller, it is the rich who exploit class warfare

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[nickshepDEM]

35. Zell's last statement made him look like a complete asshole...

Why not exploit it, Zell? Dumbass.

What happened to the Zell Miller who gave the DNC keynote address in 1992?

[nickshepDEM]

36. HOLY SHIT! I Just figured something out...

Zell Miller is a fucking hypocrite. In his 1992 DNC keynote speech he exploited the fact that there was 2 Americas. One who could afford luxurious health care and those of us who couldn't. If he DID it, why can't Edwards do it?

[Idioteque]

40. Yeah Zell really has changed his tune.

Here is a link to his 1992 DNC keynote address.

Some of these quotes sound like they could have come from Howard Dean.

"I am a Democrat because we are the party of hope. For twelve dark years the Republicans have dealt in cynicism and skepticism. They've mastered the art of division and diversion, and they have robbed us of our hope."

"Robbed of hope, the voices of anger rise up, rise up from working Americans, who are tired of paying more in taxes and getting less in services. And George Bush doesn't get it?"

"Americans cannot understand why some can buy the best health care in the world, but all the rest of us get is rising costs and cuts in coverage - or no health insurance at all. And George Bush doesn't get it?"

"If the "law and order president" gets another term, the criminals will run wild, because our commander-in-chief talks like Dirty Harry, but acts like Barney Fife."

"We have a leader and a party and a platform that says to the everyday working people of this country: We will fight your fight; we will ease your burden; we will carry your cause."

"But we can't all be born rich and handsome and lucky. That's why we have a Democratic Party."

[FreedomAngel82]

49. I guess he's rich and happy

and he's republican. :mad: What a joke he is. I guess he was bought off by Karl Rove.

[the_spectator]

54. Bullseye, Idioteque and nickshepDEM -

When Zell "Palpatine" Miller, retired politico says

"And as far as John Edwards is concerned, I like him, but no one has been more shill and more strident as far as exploiting class warfare than John Edwards. It was the only issue he had in the 2004 election. It was the only arrow he had in his quiver, and it's the only one he will have in 2008"

we should listen! He knows what he's talking about, he took that tack in his own Machiavellian way back in 1992 (and the Dems WON that election by the way). And I would bet that a lot of people who liked Edwards during the primaries did so not because of his supposedly Breck-girl telegenic qualities, but because his words were the most hard-hitting in a perfectly APPROPRIATE class-war, get-the-vast-American-majority-on-your-side sort of way.

That punch line about "That's why we have a Democratic Party" is beautiful, it deserves even more of a run-up, here's what he said:

"... But with my mother’s faith in God - and Mr. Roosevelt’s voice on the radio - we kept going.

After my father’s death, my mother with her own hands cleared a small piece of rugged land. Every day she waded into a neighbor’s cold mountain creek, carrying out thousands of smooth stones to build a house. I grew up watching my mother complete that house from the rocks she’d lifted from the creek and cement she mixed in a wheelbarrow - cement that today still bears her hand prints.

Her son bears her hand prints, too. She pressed her pride and her hopes and her dreams deep into my soul. So, you see, I know what Dan Quayle means when he says it’s best for children to have two parents. You bet it is!

And it would be nice for them to have trust funds, too. But we can’t all be born rich and handsome and lucky. That’s why we have a Democratic Party."

Now that's artistry -- all the stops out, a nice sidestep lunge against the "family values" crowd...

Of course, this is the EXACT SAME POINT as Dean's "a lot of them have never made an honest living in their lives" - except put across by a brilliant politician from the dark side, rather than by a perfectly sincere and honest but clumsy man.

Hey, I wasn't an Edwards supporter last time, but maybe I should be next time! If Bush actually won the 2004 vote, the daily polling history shows it was Zell's speech that pulled it out for him.

(Also, don't you bet ol' Zell must be wishing he lived in a galaxy far far away? He's way too old and scary-looking to ever run for President, although definitely has the skills, but apparently, elsewhere, a Sith Lord can have no trouble being proclaimed Emperor, direcly AFTER becoming even more old and scary-looking than before! Truly an alternate reality!)

[Darkamber]

45. Oh...maybe because he likes to be on FOX

Don't tell me they let Miller on Fox to represent the Democratic side of things right? He's now a GOP...why doesn't he just change it to a R behind his name.

Though if you could get a copy of that Transcript and send it to Holms...the supposed Democratic supporting light weight...we could show what a hypocrite that Miller is.

But then again...no democrats listen to Miller because all know that he just speaks the GOP line.

[fertilizeonarbusto]

38. Zell, you f*cking sellout

Why is it that when the richest few up their control of the economy at the expense of the rest of us, it's not class warfare? Go back under your rock, you senile turncoat!

[Vinca]

39. So challenge him to a duel you old whack job. nt

[DrGonzoLives]

41. Zell exploits the fact

that he is an old-time Southern Democrat who just forgot to switch parties when Strom "Fuck Them Darkies" Thurmond and Jesse "Nigger-Hater" Helms did.

[karynnj]

42. I scanned parts of his new book while waiting my kids were getting books

He spent well over 50 pages trying to explain why it was logical for him to have referred to Kerry as one of the party's finest, a hero (and other positive things and a friend in the late nineties (I think), but to have then attacked him unmercifully in 2004. It was amazingly stupid, defensive and illogical. A quick summary was:
- before 911, he thought Kerry was fine. But 911 made him relook at things
AND
- John Kerry spoke against a lot of weapons when he ran in 1984. (There have to be 20 pages describing each of the systems)
Therefore, Kerry is not qualified in 2004. (Apparently he can't see that Kerry was sufficiently concerned about non-state terrorists that he wrote a book on it in the late nineties. Only Zell is allowed to change his mind.)

[FreedomAngel82]

50. Oh of course

Kerry is a "flipflopper" if he changes his mind about something and 9/11 changed everything. :eyes:

[CBHagman]

43. All contempt and shame be on Miller.

May generations to come spit and scowl at the mere mention of his name.

And his idiocy and treachery are on on tape for generations to jeer at for decades to come (Thank you, Jon Stewart).

[Darkamber]

44. Zell is such a joke....

I thought he already changed to the Republican party. When I think of him I can only think of him and Sat. Night live sketches and demanding a "duel".

And we are dealing with how exactly? If you don't bring it up and put a face on it that people can see, understand and feel then the issue gets swept under a rug.

[hatrack]

52. "KERRY would let PARIS decide!!!!!!!!"

I don't think there's anything more that needs to be said.

Nor is there anything Zell Miller could say about which I would give a single solitary shit.

Go swallow your own tongue and suffocate, you senescent screechy pustule of envenomated political GOO!

[Dr Fate]

55. Unlike you, Edwards HAS class you fucking hay-seed.

!!!!!

[TheFarseer]

57. That's better than your only issue

which can pretty much be sumed up as "France sucks and anyone who likes France sucks"

[Catchawave]

58. Zell Miller is....

...an SNL Parody now.

[yurbud]

60. I hope Zell is right--then Edwards will fight for us.

Hillbilly Hitler art:



Blog:

[ngGale]

62. Zell calls it 'class warfare' we call it....

our base. LOL! He needs to stop with his stupid self and just make that party change.

[Lecky]

63. Why doesn't he just get it over with...

...and become a republican?


BTW he is the only democrat that Ann Coulture likes...that says a lot right there.

[candy331]

64. Zell was a pretty decent Governor here in Georgia, fought hard to give

the state the lottery with the money going to education. My 3 children went to College(tution paid) using the program set aside from lottery money. Somewhere he forgot that he was trying to make a change from his Dixie days and went back/was bought to go back to the dark days. Who knows what the ticket was but in this fight if he lives to see it any good that he did toward his legacy has been negated, he is attached to the failed George Bush forever.