"Atrios Blows it Big Time.....Dean shiving c/o Sirling Newberry of "BOP"

[KoKo]

Atrios blows it big time
Jun 8 , 9:37 PM

Usually it is a bad idea to tell a big blogger that they've fucked up big time.

Well Duncan has this time. By all means give to the DNC. But he, and the other Dean kneepaders are the ones who are being cry babies. Dean, as we all know, has a way of saying the right thing the wrong way. He wanted to get at the complete disregard for work that this current administration and Republican Congressional leadership have. But he went broad brush. Sure that plays well with a narrow slice of the party base. But it isn't standing up for Democrats.

Dean's shoot from the lip style often creates trouble. His Republican quote was one of those instances. Check the numbers people, you aren't going to win without convincing Republicans that it is safe to vote for Democrats.

Attack the Republican leadership: Delay, First, Bush, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Brown, Condie and the rest will be doing stupid things enough to keep us all busy. But attacking "Republicans" in general helps the Lieberman types of this world claim they are "moderate" and protecting everyone.

more at..........

http://www.bopnews.com/

[Justitia]

1. Consider the source of this BLOG - a Dean opponent.

"Matt Stoller works for Simon Rosenberg for Chair of the DNC."

It makes the rest irrelevant, IMO.

[RogueTrooper]

3. and he worked for Wes Clarke before that

hardly "one of us".

[dogman]

5. Who is Wes Clarke?

[Renew Deal]

6. Newberry, Stoller (and I) were Draft Clark people.

They had big roles, but Newberry was disillusioned by the campaign and whined publicly.

[jmaier]

2. Fully concur.

I understand Gov Dean's message and don't disagree but he presents the opening the media needs to misdirect and manufacture a conflict. I do NOT applaud the similarly misguided comments from Edwards, Biden, Pelosi, et al -- Everyone basically needs to take ten before speaking and keep their eyes on restoring a Democratic majority.

[Renew Deal]

4. Newberry is a whiny bombastic blowhard

That loves to read his words more than add something substantive.

I always go back to this. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=497520

Sterling whining about the state of the Clark campaign, because his feelings are more important than our issues and goals.

[bicentennial_baby]

7. Fuck Stirling Newberry

How funny for him to call anyone a cry baby, considering his behavior after he was tossed by the Clark team. Waaaaaa!

[Inland]

8. Well, can't disagree with this either.

I agree that the GOP represents a narrow interest of whites, evang. christians, and corp. thieves.

But I wouldn't have called it a white christian party. That sounds more like an disinvitation, as in, "hey, I'm white and christian, maybe I should be a republican." I would have made it so someone would say, "I'm more than my skin color, and those fundies, well, their are nuts."

[kodi]

9. Sterling is tarnishing his own rep with that post

howard dean is supposed to speak for the democratic party members, not simply the politicians who call themselves democrats.

when one asks the question of democratic party politicians:

"what have you done for me lately?"

one arrives at the point of realizing that they have given up much without a fight and achieved virtually no-thing, no thing at all.

fuck biden, LIE-berman, pelosi, and the rest for being upset at being revealed as the quislings they are.

not a single one of those mother fucking democrats go hungry, not a single one of them is poor, not a single one of them stays up late at night worrying about how they will pay their bills, nor without health insurance and they do not do a god damned thing to make sure that the millions of americans who do not have those things get a fair shake.

at least the republicans are more honest about their greed and selfishness.

who's fooling whom here? the leaders of the democratic party are virtually nothing more than parasites who live the high life while the rest of us eat shit and die.

if they are unable to bring to life the ideals of the democratic party into government polices, then they are failures to the cause and should get the hell out of politics and go home.

i watch these democratic party leaders on c-span and talk shows in their $3,000 suits and $500 shoes and want to vomit when they preach about democratic virtues and accomplish no-thing.

people who have a strong attachment to the principles professed by the democratic party are watching in dismay at what party leaders are doing, and it is little wonder that many of us have about given up on a party whose actions fall miles short of its rhetoric.

[Pithy Cherub]

10. Sterling is a narcissist without an audience.

This is really about Dean becoming an independent power source without a moderating influence wielded by the inside the beltway Dems.
We have all worked somewhere when a new leader or corporate intiative is instituted that shifts the balance of power. Dean owns the megaphone and the other people are demanding they put corporate stickers on it. Dean has deliberately chosen to be Dean and his style and belief system are an affront to those who perceived they had the megaphone previously. Critical mass is tipping people in Dean's direction. This much fight indicates a loss of power has already happened, it's just now being codified. The media is behind the curve not ahead of it and those that lost are using a lagging indicator - media to try and change it. Dean is using a leading indicator to shape it - our money.

[FrenchieCat]

11. Screw Sirling Newberry , because

Just like everybody else....he can be wrong just as often as he might be right.

My advice? Hold your tongue and try not to be the judge....cause when you judge, you will have to take responsibility for your words.

As far as I am concerned, Howard Dean is doing exactly what he needs to do--calling out Republicans.

Mr. Newberry....Let the Republicans answer Howard Dean back, and you should "chill out" and take a "time out".