Has anyone else noticed that those piling on Dean are all

[smartvoter]

presidential hopefuls? (Pelosi is the exception.)

[nadinbrzezinski]

1. you noiticed that too?????????????

Coincidence?

NAH...

By the way they are also the pansy lets play nice with our distinguished members on the other side of the Aisle, after all they would never call us Commie Pinkos unamerican freaks and hope it sticks.

[Selatius]

Unfortunately, Dean played into the hands of his opponents

Those in the party who were less than enthusiastic with his rise to the chairmanship are going to try to skewer him, and on top of that, the Republicans are going to come and attack him at the same time. He's gonna be raked through the coals a few times before this is over.

[HereSince1628]

11. His name might be raked through the coals, but

then he can't control what his opponents and enemies do with his name.

Nothing the republicans say really has any impact unless the Democratic party decides to concede to them.

The DLC is pissed about having lost popularity in the party and lost control of party positions that have for almost 20 years played every tune the DLC called.


The obvious circumstance is that Dean is saying in public what everyone is saying in private...

The christian conservatives through the Republican Party have dangerous influence on policy. The majority of these theocons are white (or passing).

The Republican party has backed and continues back legislation and regulations which have the effect of racial profiling and which burden the poor(who are disproportionately variously colored) to benefit the rich (who are disproportionately white).

[SharonAnn]

42. Check out what the Plaid Adder said. This wasn't accidental.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3820252

While in no way impugning Dean's credentials as a plain speaker/loose cannon, I just want to point out that the first and most obvious results of this kind of apparently candid comment are that the head of the Democratic National Committee is now regularly making headlines, and that questions like "well, IS the Republican party just a bastion of scary white right-wing Christian nuts who want to send everyone to re-education camps, or was that unfair?" are now being regularly debated.

This framing you've heard so much about, that's what this is, people. You can argue about whether it's a good idea but don't assume it's spontaneous. He's figured out that controversy gets more press than rolling over and playing moderate. Same thing with Reid. "Well, is Bush a liar, or was that unfair?" You see how it works? You plant the question, and then the media will try to shovel it over, but it never really goes away. That's what they did to us with the SwiftVets thing, and it's probably good someone on our side has figured out how to do it to them.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

45. The "coals" are imaginary.

They're only as hot as you imagine them to be.

[Cha]

53. Yeah, Dean is

Quaking in his boots as we type.

[Sanity Claws]

2. Lieberman? Presidential hopeful?

:rofl:

My sides hurt from laughing.

[jrthin]

12. Yea, and one day

I HOPE to be Queen of England, tiara and all.

[Mass]

3. Leberman is a presidential hopeful?

[truebrit71]

7. LOL!!!! President of what??

:rofl:

[wicket]

9. RNC

:evilgrin:

[smartvoter]

13. There you go! Perfect spot for him. nt

[Chavez_in_08]

48. LOL

I was lurking in freeper land a while ago and one of them said something along the lines of if The DINO Joe had won the election at least he could sleep well at night. hmm if a freeper can tolerate someone i know not to trust them at all.

[name not needed]

19. The Hair Club for Men

[Frederik]

26. American Enterprise Institute

:bounce:

[Old_Fart]

37. You have got to be kidding

:spray:

[G2099]

4. Now we know who the traitors are

Let's vote them out of office

[TheDebbieDee]

10. I'm with you, G2099........We should do whatever it takes to find

a Democrat with a backbone to run against Leiberman the next time he's up for re-election! He's an embarrassment.

p.s. And I don't even live in Leiberman's state!

[acmejack]

5. Liebermann will always hope

As to the probability of his hopes being fulfilled now...

[KoKo]

8. Lieberman will alway's hope....ain't that the truth...n/t

[SteppingRazor]

6. Not only that...

Most of them also had their own choce for DNC chair hat Dean beat out. Pelosi and Reid supported someone else, as did Biden. So it could be a combination of presidential aspirations and political revenge.

[Spectral]

14. The PATRIOT ACT is being expanded--more powers for the FBI

over private citizens. (Read: US!)

Forget Dean. It's a fluff story. Keep your eyes on the ball.

[nadinbrzezinski]

15. can you chew gum and walk at teh same time?

Framing Republicans IS important, just as fighitng the USPA

[Dr Fate]

16. They also refuse to talk about the UK Memo. But so does Dean.

Imagine if they were all talking about the UK Memo instead of Republican voters or each other.

[Imagine My Surprise]

17. Obama should just switch to the GOP...it would be seemless

[name not needed]

21. And why is that?

[DURHAM D]

18. And why not Pelosi ? Oh, she's a girl. eom

[LittleClarkie]

24. Dem Wimin-Hater's Club

Only Hillary allowed, cause she's butch.

But if she's our lead girlie candidate, then why isn't she bashing Dean...hmmmm.

[smartvoter]

28. See #27. nt

[smartvoter]

27. Born in Canada. nt

[DURHAM D]

31. I am confused - who was born in Canada. eom

[smartvoter]

32. Edit -- I was wrong -- she's not Canadian. Crossed my wires. nt

[Patty Diana]

20. They are all DLC Democrats_Dangerous Democrats....

who never approved of Dean's Chairmanship of the DNC

[billbuckhead]

22. I didn't know Barney Frank had presidential aspirations

[smartvoter]

29. Didn't know he entered the fray. nt

[billbuckhead]

40. Barney Frank was one of the first to speak up about Dean's rhetoric

Howard Dean unmuzzled
Thursday, May 19, 2005 Posted: 12:47 PM EDT (1647 GMT)

WASHINGTON (Creators Syndicate) -- After Howard Dean last weekend declared Tom DeLay ought to be in jail, a longtime Democratic operative told me the party's national chairman had momentarily ripped off his muzzle but that it soon would be restored.

--------------snip-----------------------
National chairmen are supposed to fire up the troops, but Dean's rhetoric crosses a line. What he said was too much even for so tough a partisan Democrat as Rep. Barney Frank, who attended his state's convention in Lowell and was appalled by Dean's language.

------------snip------------------

<http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/05/19/howard.dean/>

[wyldwolf]

30. Biden and Pelosi aren't DLC

so goes your theory.

[AntiCoup2K4]

35. Joe Biden's name is on the DLC/PPI/NDOL website more than.........

Ronald Reagan's is on GOP.com

[wyldwolf]

39. So is Howard Dean's

So what's your point? To be a member of the DLC you have to be just that - a member. And Biden isn't.

[PassingFair]

46. The only reason Biden ISN'T

is because he doesn't need their backing financially. He's too busy sucking down dollars from bankers. I'm sure there are raptors named after him offshore someplace....

[wyldwolf]

49. You have a quote on that or did you get it from the magic 8 Ball?

Facts are facts. No Biden in the DLC. (And I hardly think Edwards and Kerry need have ever needed their backing financially either.)

[PassingFair]

50. I wouldn't need a magic 8ball...

if the compromised criminals in the senate would demand an honest outing of Enron and WorldCom's underhanded schemes.

[wyldwolf]

51. So we should "out" everyone with dealings with Enron?

Even... uh... Howard Dean?

But back on topic, you said, "The only reason Biden ISN'T (DLC) is because he doesn't need their backing financially."

I ask again, you have a quote on that?

And... explain why Kerry and Edwards are DLC and certainly DON'T need their backing financially.

[LittleClarkie]

23. Kerry's a presidential hopeful

and has been quite supportive. What does that do to your theory.

He tried to drag the insiders by the ear and get them to welcome Dean as he contributed a million dollars to the DNC so that Dean would have a nice starting point, asking the Kerry email community to follow suit as well. If you look at his PAC, it mirrors Dean's grassroots message. I don't think that was an accident either.

And no bashing out of him either.

[smartvoter]

25. It does nothing and it isn't a theory. It's an observation. And I didn't

say all hopefuls are piling on. I said those that have piled on are hopefuls.

I don't understand your response... ???

[LittleClarkie]

34. And several who've piled on have not been hopefuls

Leiberman is not a hopeful. Pelosi is not a hopeful. Therefore all the "bashers" are not hopefuls.

Conversely, one of the hopefuls is not a basher. Might not be pertinent to your point, but I like to point that out when I can.

[smartvoter]

43. Gotcha. nt

[Tom Rinaldo]

54. For the record Clark didn't pile on either, nor did Clinton or others

Perhaps it could be said that a higher percentage of potential candidates made negative comments of one sort or another than did elected Democrats in general.

I am glad that DUers and others rose to defend Dean, especially when the media predictably got involved. But I am looking forward to getting back onto issues now, exactly as Dean said at the Senate Press Conference

[Stahl]

33. Maybe those critizicing candidates should just

grow some balls.

Not being american, I can't see what the fuss is about. If someone is offended, then I think Dean has hit the mark since it is only the truth that really hurts. If not, anyone sane would just laugh it off.

[killbotfactory]

36. Leiberman is a pansy-ass

The DLC wants to keep it's stranglehold on the party, and sell out to corporate special interests and lobbyists so they're going to try and trounce Dean whenever they can. Real grassroots power is a threat to them.

[graywarrior]

38. Makes me even more defiant. I hope Dean keeps kicking ass

Do any of them realize how much we disrespect them?

[betterdeadthanred]

52. I hope Dean keeps kicking ass"--Amen

What I have always liked about Dean is that he does not bow to the PC crowd. He calls it like he sees it. We need more like him.

[Pepperbelly]

41. Piling on? LOL

:rofl:

[LoZoccolo]

44. Yes, I will be running again in 2008.

Vote Most Progressive Party in 2008! I am better than Nader!

[election_2004]

47. Yeah, Steny Hoyer for President!

HA! Not gonna happen.

But I agree with your observation that MANY of Dean's critics are presidential hopefuls.