Biden's in the Doghouse over Dean statements

[StClone]

Check out this Dailykos thread

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/6/9/161527/0617

and Biden's congressional messageboard

http://www.congress.org/congressorg/bio/letterslist/?id=696

:-) :dem:

[KoKo]

1. Good....! n/t

[Zhade]

66. Good, but I'd rather he were in hot water over SUPPORTING PNAC.

Don't get me wrong, I like Dean and Biden is wrong on this, but his endorsement of PNAC's imperialist goals is far more critical with regards to this country's future, IMHO.

[ewagner]

2. Holy Cow!

Did you see the titles on some of those posts??????

Here's my favorite:

"Hey, Joe . . . where you going with that knife in your hand"
:rofl: :rofl:

whoa....he got ripped...and that's just from DEMOCRATS!

[Tommymac]

55. Here's mine...

"Sen Biden, the American People want a fighter, not a pastry chef."

http://www.congress.org/congressorg/bio/userletter/?id=696&letter_id=339915471

[Upfront]

71. Good One

Loved it!

[Tommymac]

77. Thanks! :) nt

[fujiyama]

3. LOL

"Please don't yell at me. I'm not the one that made the statement".

I almost feel sorry for the staffer.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

4. I particularly like this one...

"Unite behind Dean or go work for MBNA." From a Delaware resident - perfect!

[MoonRiver]

5. Hip hip hooray!

:applause: I say We the People take back the Democratic Party. The corporate sell-out hacks like Biden can shove it.

[democrat_patriot]

6. 2 words.

Ha Ha.

I wrote him as well. Stand up for fellow Dems no matter what you asshat.

[Shoeempress]

7. Just called and left a message that if Sen. Biden doesn't like what

Dean has to say, he should keep his mouth shut. Call him and let him know what you think. Here's the number 202-224-5042

[eissa]

8. Wow!

Some of those letters to Biden were vicious! Well deserved, too.

[CottonBear]

10. Check out this one: "You stupid idiot - Forget 2008."

:rofl: :popcorn:

[merbex]

15. Love the fact they're from NH n/t

[Cha]

34. Good on ya, Nashua, NS!

[CottonBear]

9. Check out this screen shot:

He's under heavy fire. God, I love the power of the internets and the passion of angry Democrats!
:popcorn:

[Democracy White]

16. How do you post screenshots onto this forum?

[Goldeneye]

17. I think you have to upload them at a photo hosting place,

like photobucket and then you can copy the link and paste it in your message.

[chalky]

56. Screenshots:

Rightclick on the picture, click on properties
The pictures link should be there (unless the picture is protected from copying). Put the link in your post.

For example, I right clicked on that uuuuugly chick in your sig and got "johnjones.com/pic/bush_wgirls2.jpg" (plus the "ht tp://" in front, but I removed that to keep the picture from showing in my post).

(You may want to preview before posting. Sometimes you might just get the red X.)

[Democracy White]

63. Thanks!

I kinda figured that is how it should be done as I didn't know how to paste website screenshots on here.

Dee

[wryter2000]

65. LOL

"When tepid water occasions panic." That one has a way with words. :rofl:

[yebrent]

11. Biden lost me when he said of Alberto "the torturer" Gonzalez:

"I think he’s a pretty solid guy"

[AuntiBush]

30. He just about lost me when he voted for the "Bankruptcy Bill." Yet...

he's such a good fighter and really tells it like it is. I think we should let the story die... Give it a few days and the Repuks will be glued to the Jackson verdict.

That should keep their fundie-panties in an uproar for awhile.

[TankLV]

80. A polite but resounding NO to your suggestion.

NEVER!

Add MORE fuel to the fire!

[bunny planet]

40. He called Torquemada Gonzales 'the real deal'

WTF

[kath]

42. He lost me when he gave us Clarence Thomas on the SC.

[montanacowboy]

12. Just Sent Joe Hairplugs a

blistering email - the Democratic Party has two Joes too many

[sundancekid]

13. standard biden blowhard HOOF IN MOUTH DISEASE -- hope this outbreak

breaks his arrogant a$$

[wicket]

14. GOOD!

He deserves it!

[wyldwolf]

18. because a bunch of Dean supporters have flooded message boards?

Hardly a barometer.

I'll be interested to see if his stock as a candidate in '08 suffers.

[Goldeneye]

19. I don't think he has that much stock....

not with Clark, Kerry, Feingold, Clinton, etc. considering runs. His staffers might vote for him in the primaries, but I have a hard time seeing him as the nominee.

[wyldwolf]

20. the latest poll has him in fourth place

AHEAD of Clark and Feingold.

Marist College Poll. April 18-21, 2005. Nationwide.

"If the 2008 Democratic presidential primary were held today, whom would you support if the candidates are ?" N=376 Democrats and Democratic leaners who are registered to vote; MoE ± 5

Hillary Clinton 40%
John Kerry 18%
John Edwards 16%
Joe Biden 7%
Wes Clark 4%
Russ Fiengold 2%
Bill Richardson 1%

[Goldeneye]

21. I didn't even realize that many people had heard of him.

Hopefully he'll get knocked out in the debates.

[wyldwolf]

31. Biden is a very good debater

[TankLV]

82. Yes he is FOR the REPUKES!

[wyldwolf]

94. as is your attitude

[TankLV]

100. WTF?!?!? You have no idea what you're talking about, as your posts,

and everyone else, have proven.

[wyldwolf]

104. LOL!

So no one knows what they're talking about except you. :eyes:

[iwantmycountryback]

50. Wow...7% out of 376 people

He's really a force to be reckoned with. :silly: Besides, if he does run in '08, he'll have a similar fate as Lieberman.

[wyldwolf]

69. well, that IS how polls are taken

If you cast aside this one, you must cast aside the rest.

[wicket]

22. His plagiarism sunk him in '88

I'll bet it becomes an issue again in '08.

[wyldwolf]

32. of course it will

First he'll be ripped apart for it on DU (at the same time the other candidates are being slashed for their history.)

[TankLV]

83. And justifiably, too. Not to mention his lousy voting record!

[PATRICK]

25. LOL

The only stock he had to stand out was to stand up for a vibrant new constituency. That whole nest of chickens fatally clinging to democgraphic reports than actual earth politics is trapped in a crumbling ivory tower. Schumer made a good move in supporting in supporting the DNC chair as any honest thinking person should- as well as any shrewd centrist.

Wet blanket DLC ideology won't put out the fire. We'll burn right through.

[wyldwolf]

29. two points

He isn't DLC.

Last polling has Biden in 4th place among Dem contenders.

That is stock.

No, he isn't even my fourth choice, but facts are facts.

[Clark2008]

53. So how do we bring up Clark and Feingold's stock?

Because they're the only two of the lot I'd care to see get the nomination.

I thought about Warner, but after he showed up at Bilderberg, I thought again.

(No offense to Kerry - he's solid. I just don't see him turning any red states, blue and THAT, we've got to do.)

[wyldwolf]

59. I see Biden on more TV news shows

Exposure.

[TankLV]

84. Becaue they LOVE Vichy Dems to be with extreme right wing repukes!

Same reason they have on holy joe and zell, and not Maxine or Barbara.

[wyldwolf]

86. No, because they LOVE knowledgeable Dems on the issues at hand

mainly, military and terrorism.

[FrenchieCat]

95. Funny, but most of the networks rarely have Clark on....

and as far as I'm concerned, he fits the bill you just listed....
knowledgeable Dems on the issues at hand mainly, military and terrorism.

Somehow, I think that they (media) are trying to build Biden's reputation to become the National Security Candidate....cause they don't want Clark to be that. That's why they have Biden on every goddamn Sunday...which is why I rarely watch!

[wyldwolf]

99. I agree they should have Clark on more...

... and they did during the primaries (and actually before the primaries), but Clark isn't an elected official.

I don't believe there is any media conspiracy to brand Biden as the national security candidate and the expense of Clark.

The reason they have Biden on every "goddamn" Sunday is because he is the ranking member of the Foreign Relations Committee and an elected Democratic senator.

[FrenchieCat]

102. So are you saying that

only elected officials get to appear on network talkshows discussing military and terrorist issues?

I think that's a very shallow pool to get information from. Don't you?

In reference to media conspiracies, I'm not as trusting as you are. Ever since the time that Drudge did the totally RNC engineered "Clark was for the War based on his 2002 testimonies" headlines that ended up being reported by all of the networks AND newspapers...(Reporters could have just simply pulled out the his original testimonies...which drudge had done a cut and paste on), I have had my doubts about what some in the media's intentions were regarding Wes Clark.

You give the media entirely too much credit, IMO.

[wyldwolf]

103. reply

So are you saying that only elected officials get to appear on network talkshows discussing military and terrorist issues?

No, I'm saying that's the reason they choose Biden more often than others.

In reference to media conspiracies, I'm not as trusting as you are...---snip---

It appears your beef is that you don't see enough of Clark.

The media treated every candidate (viable ones anyway) with the same dirt digging mentality. Clark alone was not picked on.

[RetroLounge]

39. DLC = Denial Loves Company

:rofl:

Dean has supporters, Biden's a dickhead.

You go follow Joe, or maybe the other Joe.

We'll laugh...

RL

[wyldwolf]

60. completely irrelevent to the discussion

:rofl: But I expect that from some.

[Name removed]

61. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[wyldwolf]

67. oh, I see

ad hominem attacks. Typical.

And since you had to be a spell check cop (another sign of intellectual bankruptcy), I'll give you a few lessons in net etiquette:

1. READ a thread before commenting on one post. You'll look much smarter.

2. Use spell check yourself! :rofl:

3. Make sure your posts are relevant to the conversation, not your feelings on the poster.

[RetroLounge]

74. Wow, you used Latin!

Fucking-A! I am soooo impressed!

I cry uncle in the face of your obvious intellectual superiority.

Ad nauseum...

RL

[wyldwolf]

75. of course

:)

[RetroLounge]

76. of course...

:D :D :D

:hi:

RL

[cestpaspossible]

97. nt

replied in wrong place

[TankLV]

81. He'll have as much "stock" as last time - ZIP!

[wyldwolf]

87. wishful thinking

[TankLV]

101. No, reality based on previous results.

Unlike your "whistleing past the graveyard" attitude.

[wyldwolf]

105. reality is what is happenning now

and, per polling, Biden fairs better than most. Which is what the topic on discussion was on. Sorry. Reality sux for you.

[GetTheRightVote]

23. I called as well, Dr Dean needs our support, he is not far off

and the right would love to bring him down with their lies.

:kick:

[Andromeda]

24. I especially like this one:

Subject:
"What I want to know: why are you an f'ing a-hole?

To:
Sen. Joseph Biden

June 9, 2005

"If you're going to <profanity removed> over Howard Dean, the very least you could do is offer a reach-around. But no, you'll get on your knees for Al From, but Dean gets nothing but a public buggering.

This <profanity removed> is not acceptable and not much fun to watch, so zip it up <profanity removed>.

What I want to know is what the <profanity removed> happened to you. You used to be a good man, even if MBNA owned your ass. But you went sour, you started triangulating, and now you've made a <profanity removed>ing ass out of yourself."

It is time for a very public apology. In the future, don't <profanity removed>ing attack Democrats, it is your job to attack the right-wing wankers and defend Democrats.

Let me know when you pull your head out of your ass."

Wilmington , DE

[Goldeneye]

27. That's < profanity removed>ing funny.

:rofl:

Poor Biden didn't know what he was stepping in.

[Cha]

35. Oh, those Dean Supporters are

Bleepin' Everywhere!

[GetTheRightVote]

26. Sent Biden a letter as well

:kick:

[CatWoman]

28. fucking

"A"

[Cha]

36. Damn Straight!

:D

[sendero]

44. I love that term...

.... but I could never figure out what the "A" was.

But no matter, fucking A indeed. :)

[AntiCoup2K4]

49. An old friend of mine always used to say....

"fuck a B It's got two holes" :evilgrin:

[Califooyah Operative]

33. good, I hope everyone who hasn't called and written him and others yet-do

it's obviously making a difference.

[bvar22]

37. Do yourself a favor and check out the Biden site in the OP.

http://www.congress.org/congressorg/bio/letterslist/?id=696


Here are a few snips:

When you attack Dr. Dean, a great governor and a great Democrat, for speaking the truth about Republicans you showed once again that you are in the wrong party. Get thee gone you spineless, pusillanimous sack of runny, gutless garbage.

How dare you speak for me and millions of other Democrats who support Dr. Dean and his efforts to introduce true morality into our political system. Your grins and chuckles while you attack a man who has done more for Americans in his short political career than you will ever accomplish even should you live to be a hundred are deeply offensive. And, please, don't count your vote for the Republican bankruptcy bill as anything more than is was: A corrupt bow to those who view Americans and gullible sheep fit for nothing but the shearing.

Senator, I am no sheep and I recognize you for what you are.

A Judas goat.

:spank:---------------------------------------------------------

Has anyone ever called you an Pontificating A$$hole? Bet they have. Bet your own wife and kids have too. You are such a jerk. Ditto Dayton, MD. message, Close Gittmo! Are you crazy? Don't answer that, couldn't stand anymore of your "grabbing the KEY light" "when's my CLOSE UP?" MAKE UP - MAKE UP!!

San Deieue , DE

:spank:--------------------------------------------------------

The Republicans, through people like Anne Coulter, Rush Limbaugh and Fox News, have been trashing Democrats for years! Howard Dean is finally calling these liars, war mongers and hypocrites out for what they are and cowards like you are running for cover, lest we offend the mighty GOP! Don't you and fools like you realize it was our weak, no red meat, covention last year that probably cost Kerry the election? The Republican convention was just one, big, anti-Democrat slam fest, while we tip-toed around, worrying that perhaps Al Sharpton offended anyone in what was easily one of the best speeches at that lame convention!

Democrats want strength and people who tell it like it is, not Washington bum-kissers like you and Joe Lieberman who want to beahve as if the GOP is not waging a war against this party and utilizing all the dirty rhetoric it can from its Christian and right wing media attack machine! Do us a favor, Senator, lap-dogs like you cost us this past election, so if you want to make peace, join the Peace Corps; if you want to smooch the Republicans' backsides, just join the GOP and take Zell Miller and Joe Lieberman with you! Leave the real Democratic Party to folks like Howard Dean and we might actually stand a chance in 2006!

Chicago , IL

:spank:------------------------------------------------------------


Howard Dean does speak for this Democrat and millions more. You do not. Your butt kissing of this criminal administration is sickening.

By the way, what were you doing on September 11th?

People are waking up.

Kenai , AK

:spank:-------------------------------------------------------------

MAN. I almost had a moment opf compassion for the asshole.
Take a trip over there. There are several HUNDRED like the above.
I didn't see ONE supporting Biden in his betrayal of the Democratic Party.

Thanks for that link, StClone.
Made my evening.


nominating.

[Cha]

38. Whoa Dude! Thanks for bringing

those over!

[JNelson6563]

41. And yet, in my internet travels

I haven't seen any sort of organized spam efforts on this. Interesting. Seems the base is actually united and it's not a few achieving the illusion.

:toast:

Julie

[Upfront]

72. Hey Julie!

It is happing just as Howard said it would, we have the power. Remember? Lol I know you do!

[sendero]

45. Wow...

... I wish I had written this, brilliant!

"The Republicans, through people like Anne Coulter, Rush Limbaugh and Fox News, have been trashing Democrats for years! Howard Dean is finally calling these liars, war mongers and hypocrites out for what they are and cowards like you are running for cover, lest we offend the mighty GOP! Don't you and fools like you realize it was our weak, no red meat, covention last year that probably cost Kerry the election? The Republican convention was just one, big, anti-Democrat slam fest, while we tip-toed around, worrying that perhaps Al Sharpton offended anyone in what was easily one of the best speeches at that lame convention!

Democrats want strength and people who tell it like it is, not Washington bum-kissers like you and Joe Lieberman who want to beahve as if the GOP is not waging a war against this party and utilizing all the dirty rhetoric it can from its Christian and right wing media attack machine! Do us a favor, Senator, lap-dogs like you cost us this past election, so if you want to make peace, join the Peace Corps; if you want to smooch the Republicans' backsides, just join the GOP and take Zell Miller and Joe Lieberman with you! Leave the real Democratic Party to folks like Howard Dean and we might actually stand a chance in 2006!

Chicago , IL"

Go Chicago!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[tuvor]

43. The message board is .org, not .gov

Someone pointed that out to me yesterday.

Still. Whoa.

[kliljedahl]

46. Guess he got a case of

JOEMENTUM!!!


Keith’s Barbeque Central

[Rainscents]

47. I sent nasty email and also called his office...

I told the woman on the phone, tell Joe, he is Corporate whore and he doesn't speak for me, Dean does! Dean tell the truth and I am sick and tired of people like Joe who is the reason we(democrats) keep loosing elections!

[wisteria]

48. Isn't the man aloud to have an opinion?

It's to bad that Deaniacs can't take any criticism of their guy. Well, I got news for all of you Dean worshipers, he is only human and he does make mistakes. Learning from past mistakes helps one grow as a person.Where is it written that Howard Dean is perfect? I'm sorry, but you people are being childish and pigheaded.

[AntiCoup2K4]

51. This isn't one man's opinion, it is an organized DLC attack

First Edwards. Then Biden. Then Richardson (when Edwards clarified his comments). Then Holy Joe. Then Useless Pelosi. Then Biden's fellow PNAC'er Feinstein.

That many DLC shills within that short of time is NO coincidence. And ALL of them will be held accountable for it.

[Catrina]

52. I agree

I am sick and tired of letting these jerks, like Biden, have the microphone, giving the impression that all Democrats are wimps. Not any more!!

I'm not a Deaniac, I supported Gen. Clark, but I love that he told the truth about Republicans and he should NOT apologize, which is what they were trying to force him to do. He doesn't need to! He's got probably millions of Democrats, fed up with being represented by snivelling, apologetic wimps, backing him up.

Every once in a while, Joe Biden looks like maybe he gets it, but more often than not, he's on the wrong side of the issues.

Now, we need a few more like Dean!!

[Melodybe]

58. BTW Clark had a perfect response to the Dean question

I swear us Deanies and Clarkies think a lot a like.

Dean is my man but I am sure proud to have a great people like Clark in our party.

[AntiCoup2K4]

70. What did Clark say?

I haven't heard his comments on this yet.

[Cha]

91. What did Clark say?

I know Clark had something good to say about Michael Moore when everyone was raging on him..and it made Michael get behind him for the primaries.

[stickdog]

54. Sure, he can have an opinion. And we can opine about it as well.

Biden is now a bi-dem. He swings both ways.

[TankLV]

85. It isn't ONE mistake - it's a CONSTANT STREAM of attacking fellow dems

BTW, why is it not right to attack Bidden, but it is OK for you and him to attack DEAN?

Might want to take your own advise.

And besides, WE can and will attack those we disagree with as WE see fit.

I'm not a Deaniac by any means - but I will support ANYBODY who supports and speaks for the causes I hold dear.

That so many people support Dean and don't support SOB Bidden, is because they like what Dean is DOING and SAYING, not because of who he is. Same with the choice words for asshole Bidden.

[Cha]

90. Dean's supporters don't

need scoldings from you..these people calling on biden and the rest of the pantywaist dems to rally behind the Chairman of the Democratic party are as varied as Thom Hartman and Mike from the 10000 birdblog..so don't call out only Deaniacs on this.

That is totally disingenous.

[Frederik]

96. What an insightful post

"Learning from past mistakes helps one grow as a person"

Yes, Dean made a terrible mistake by offending the DLC's overlords in the Republican party, and now he must be chided by every friggin member of the DLC, so he remembers that the overlords must not be offended in the future. If he remembers that, I'm sure he will have grown tremendously as a person.

[ngGale]

57. Biden is on disconnect just...

like most of them and they are our party. Hummm....
If Biden spent some time here, he might would get the point. LOL!

[second edition]

62. Big deal!

Come on, how else would you expect Kos to respond. It's a blog site formed for Howard Dean with money supplied by Howard Dean's campaign funds. And this is what the Kos people do- attack anyone who dare mentions anything negative about Dean.I would expect that Bidden will just blow off all the criticism on the Dean comments. I don't like Bidden, but he is entitled to express his concerns about recent Dean comments.

[LeftCoast]

73. I call bullshit!

dKos is NOT, I repeat, NOT funded by money supplied by Dean's campaign. Kos was personally, at one time, a consultant for Dean - but dKos is ad and user supported.

I think we all know where you're getting your 'facts' from.

[wryter2000]

64. Randi just said

"Here's a simply rule, guys. If you're attacking Democrats, you're a Republican."

[wyldwolf]

68. Good advice. We should all take it to heart.

[flpoljunkie]

78. Biden is keynote speaker at the Jefferson-Jackson dinner tonight in FL.

Wonder what kind of reception he will receive after this week.

http://www.fladems.com/JeffersonJackson.shtml

Florida Democrats are tough! We may have been down after last November, but we certainly were not out. We are already ramping up for the 2006 elections and aim to turn this state BLUE! Join us for our annual fundraiser and help us continue building our bench and building our electorate as we head into what may be the toughest fight yet! We will be joined by special keynote speaker, Senator Joe Biden.

Unlike the past two years, the FDP is not hosting a weekend of JJ related events. Instead, the FDP is a proud co-sponsor of the First Annual Youth Leadership Conference, hosted at the same hotel prior to the JJ Gala. Directed by the Florida Young Democrats, the YLC will bring together activists from across the state for a series of meetings, training workshops and featured speakers. The FDP encourages all Democrats to attend the YLC Luncheon, which will feature a round table of our Democratic gubernatorial candidates.

When: Saturday, June 11, 2005
Where: Westin Diplomat Resort & Spa
3555 South Ocean Drive
Hollywood, FL 33019

[Cha]

92. Go Florida Dems!

I'd like to see you Dems rally like no one has ever RALLIED before! :bounce:

[TankLV]

79. GOOD! It's about time!

Shut the fuck up, Bidden!

Go have lunck with your buddies bush, holy joe and zell, and leave the work of fighting FOR the Democratic Party up to us true democrats!

Please retire or just sit down and shut the fuck up and vote WITH your party!

[bigwillq]

88. YIPPIE!

GO DEAN GO!:bounce:

[zulchzulu]

89. I agree with Biden...and Feingold...and Warner...and Ford

...Dean might appeal to some that enjoy him overstepping every now and then...and of course, giving the MSM another "Dean Scream" to exploit and water the DLC message...

...but, his comments sometimes border on childish carelessness and the same level of drivel from the Right. Saying that he "hates the Republicans", that they haven't "worked a day in their life" and other comments of that flavor only make the MSM more easily paint Democrats as sophmoric attack dogs.

Dean needs to look up Mark Twain quotes and come up with something a tad more witty and biting.

I support Dean otherwise...I just remember how he was gaffe-prone during the primaries...

...can we teach a dog new tricks?

As for Biden, he has to go back to Wilmington and when asked about Dean's comments about Repugs never working a day in their life, has to wince and dance around the issue, which has NOTHING to do with what really needs to be addressed.

Dean's sometimes sloppy gaffes only make it harder...not easier.

Yeah, we can all pick on Biden. But what about Feingold? He came out saying that Dean needs to measure his words better too. I guess Russ should be equally vilified and sullied...can we all aim the circular firing squad at him too?

"Sen. Russell D. Feingold, a Wisconsin Democrat, said that at the meeting, "There couldn't be any doubt that there was some concern, even by Dean himself," about how his comments have been received."

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nationworld/bal-te.dean10jun10,1,6602108.story?coll=bal-nationworld-headlines

[Cha]

93. You agree with them..fine.

Too bad they don't know what the hell they're talking about..presidential run anyone?

[cestpaspossible]

98. Biden (D - MBNA)

is representing what he perceives to be his constituency.