Dean and his YEEEEAAAH!!! speech.

[Cascadian]

I am getting so sick of how the media is spinning Howard Dean's post-caucus speech in Iowa. They are making him out to be this rage-ridden madman. I do not see the anger and if there is anger, can we blame people for being mad? Mad at the fact we have a court-appointed president, the fact that we have young men and women dying daily in a war that did not have to be fought, the fact that more people are losing jobs than there are ones being created, and the fact that America's reputation is pretty much shot at this point. To top it all, the administration that runs this so-called President of ours spins one lie after another.

Yeah I guess if being passionate is being angry, then I am furious! If that is the wrong way, I don't want to be right. Dean's speech won points with me as far as I am concerned. Why would I want a president that is going to be timid or a robot? Dean shot up my coolness chart!


YEEEEAAAAH!!!!


jOHN

[LoZoccolo]

1. Use it to take a shot at the media.

They don't deserve the level of uncritical consumption their coverage gets. But instead of getting mad, fight back...tell your friends about it if it gets brought up. That's kind of one of the reasons I think the Dean campaign has a good strategy - with so many people involved and directly plugged in via email and all that, they can get their message past the media to a lot of people who can spread the Dean side of the story.

[oustemnow]

2. I think this has the potential to help him long-term

Dean's name recognition has sky-rocketed in the past week; EVERYONE knows who he is now. Sure, people initially are having a few laughs, but once one has seen that speech one would have to be a moron to not recognize how overblown this issue is. However, he is now very much in the public eye.

Dean has actually proven to have a fair amount of teflon. None of the atttacks (e.g., the sealed gubernatorial records) have taken hold in the public's mind.

[Gman]

3. Puhleeeeeeeze... You have misquoted Dean

The actual quote was "aaaarrrrrggggghhhhh".

[Cascadian]

5. I don't know what news outlet you listen or watch but...

it was YEEEAAAAH!!!


I must have heard it a dozen times. The media won't let it go!

It is just a bunch a bull crap.


John

[HalfManHalfBiscuit]

4. He popped a nut on national television

No one wants a screamer for a president

[Cascadian]

6. Better a screamer.....

than a liar!


John

[GR]

10. A Passionate Inspirational Motivator Of Great Courage...

You call him a "screamer" You know nothing of motivation and passion.

Read the CJR Campaign Desk piece on just what the media has done to Dean, and all of us.

Any democrat who doesn't stand up and be counted against the totally unfair media treatment of Dean is making a big mistake as their candidate will be next on the chopping block, if it looks like he's winning and could beat Bush...

[HalfManHalfBiscuit]

13. I pretty much doubt Kerry will lose his shit in public

Self control is a virtue.

[LittleDannySlowhorse]

16. Kerry certainly knows the meaning of "decorum"

You're right, he wouldn't lose his shit in public. However, the people who don't want to see him elected will certainly find something they can hobble him with. NONE of our candidates are bulletproof.

The irony is that one of the things that makes Kerry as qualified as he is, is his a long and distinguished career in the senate, which means he's cast votes on literally hundreds of issues, any of which can be twisted and distorted by an opponent. So his greatest strength can also be the source of any number of bullshit attacks, provided that his opponent is vicious enough, which I think you'll agree Bush is.

[HalfManHalfBiscuit]

23. Holy shit - that is the most reasoned response I have read in a while

Props. I agree with you.

I'm a Kerry guy, but will certainly vote for Dean if he gets the nomination.

[dkf]

38. It's already starting.

Looks like Kerry may be more responsible for corporate fraud than GW Bush. He actually voted to OVERTURN Clinton's veto:

http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=express&s=cohn012304

DAILY EXPRESS
Matter of Interest
by Jonathan Cohn

The issue is corporate accountability, a regular staple of Kerry's campaign rhetoric. "From Enron to WorldCom to the mutual fund scandals that have shaken the trust and savings of Americans, a widespread creed of greed on Wall Street has been met by a look-the-other way attitude in the Bush White House," Kerry said in another recent speech. "It's time our government sent a different message." Back in February, 2002, when former Enron CEO Ken Lay appeared before members of the U.S. Senate, Kerry was even more harsh: "Americans everywhere are shocked that you have no answer to explain how Enron executives escaped this sinking ship with their fortunes intact while thousands of everyday working Americans were left holding the bag, robbed of their retirement savings."

But Kerry shouldn't be shocked at all. Back in 1995, he backed a controversial measure that severely limited the ability of investors to sue companies engaged in fraudulent accounting practices--a legal change widely believed to have contributed to the accounting scandals of the last few years. The law, which consumer groups opposed vociferously precisely because they feared it would lead to white-collar crime, was part of Newt Gingrich's Contract With America. Yet Kerry voted for it anyway, not once but twice--the second time overriding a veto by President Clinton.

The law in question is the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. At the time it came up for debate, the bill's supporters said it would curb frivolous lawsuits against companies whose stock prices had fallen but who had engaged in no wrongdoing. According to company executives, these "strike suits" had cost them millions in litigation expenses while making it impossible to communicate freely with potential investors (because they feared every statement might be used against them later in court). Strike suits frequently ensnared accountants and financial firms, which helps explain why they, too, backed the law. Partly because the volatile high-tech economy of the 1990s created such ample opportunity for strike suits, even some of the bill's harshest critics deemed its basic goals worthwhile.

But the question in 1995 was no so much whether to reform securities litigation as how, and critics complained loudly that this proposed law went too far. Particularly worrisome was a proposal requiring plaintiffs to show firm proof of wrongdoing before a case could go forward. (The old law had a much lower threshold for evidence, on the theory that it was frequently impossible to get hard evidence without going through the pre-trial discovery process.) The U.S. Public Interest Group argued that the measure amounted to a "license to lie for white-collar crooks"--a sentiment Clinton would later echo in his veto message. The measure, he said, would "close the courthouse doors" to investors who'd lost money thanks to unscrupulous companies and their accountants.

[liberalnurse]

28. It's amazing how *bush has successfully

programed Americans to not look for the whole story. Did you attend the speech or see the entire post Iowa Caucus video?

My guess is "No"......So, lets lynch-em.....the media says so....

What have we been angry about for the past 3-4 years? Why are so many willing to comply?


Bush wins!

[Namvet04]

7. Forget it and don't write about it, dean will do better and is

I wish everyone would look at the edwards speech at the same time. I never thought of him and paid little attention but he has what Clinton has, the ability to listen and talk with people.

You would never see clinton bring up silly things like clark/moore do with the viet nam war 40 years ago. He would be telling you what he was going to do to make your life better. Some people love to live in the past. Most voters care about now.

I suggest that NH helps us and narrow it down to 3 dems (Kerry, Edwards and Dean)

[GR]

12. To Me, Though, Edwards Is Still Lacking Gravitas...

You just can't come in like he did and expect to take over the presidency, with the lack of a record, no matter how good a speaker he is...I think it would be a big mistake to nominate him or even have him on the ticket as a VP..although that would be less of a danger. There is no way he will bring southern states into the dem fold no matter what position he's on the ticket in...

[Namvet04]

17. I felt the same way until that speech the other night did you see it

How long was JFK a senator? I hope everyone will watch edwards. Maybe it was the shock of dean who I was for and then hearing edwards but he sure was like clinton. I have met two presidents and spent time with one. However I never met clinton. I was told by businnes associates that are on the far right that met clinton and they said you felt like you knew him all your life and you were old friends. That was from people who could not stand him. JFK had it and I think Edwards does. My concern is not exper, that is is the concern I have for clark but his being a trial lawyer. That could hurt.

[Kolesar]

18. If John Edwards could bring in NC as VP nominee it would be great

Even one state in the south would make a big difference. I have heard that John Edwards would have a tough time getting reelected to the Senate in that state, though.

[Cascadian]

29. Earlier in the race, I advocated Bob Graham as Dean's VP.

But now, I am looking more at John Edwards as his running mate should Dean get the nomination. In fact, anybody who gets the nomination should seriously consider him. He will definately help in the South.


John

[Namvet04]

32. Asking edwards to be vp is like asking JFK at the time.

My worry with kerry is he will be look as our dole. Old senator we put up against a sitting president.

Edwards would really scare them. Put Ford as vp. Think about how clinton got two southerns and they were both not elibible for ss.

Young blood with new ideas.

Edwards/Ford, that would scare the repubs.

[beaconess]

37. Ford would be great, but he's not old enough . . .

He'll only be 34 on Inauguration Day.

[David Zephyr]

8. YEEEEAAAAH!!!!

Good post. :hi:

[Cascadian]

15. It just had to be said!

I had to post my anger over the whole thing!


John

[IronLionZion]

9. Angry Dean is better than Dumbass Dubya any day

I think it is fantastic that Dean has that much passion and energy. He is so much more interesting than most politicians.

[Cascadian]

20. Some presidents had quite the tempers.

Lyndon Johnson was known to grab people by their shirts and chew them out. JFK had a good sized temper. Harry Truman also was a bit of yeller. Clinton got pretty mad too! So why can't a president have a temper let alone a pulse? I think Dean would be no different in temperment than these guys.


John

[Yavin4]

11. How You Come Across on TV Means a Lot

I don't agree with it, but it does. Dean looked like a man that lost control, and Americans don't like their leaders to lose control.

[Cascadian]

14. That is the media spin on the whole thing!

This is what I am talking about. We are talking about a man who has passion, intelligence, and integrity. He has charisma! I want somebody who is going to stick it to the Republicans with vigor and energy. That is why I support Dean. The Democrats need more like him. Maybe the Democrats can discover their backbone again!


John

[GR]

19. In My Opinion He Didnt Lose Control At All...

Have you seen the speech from the audience's point of view...He was shouting to make himself heard over the very loud crowd...

http://www.idiomstudio.com/

[PassingFair]

30. Biggest Kick EVER!

This link MUST be sent to every news outlet in the country. Diane Sawyer needs to show this, Rob Reiner NEEDS to see this.
The crowd noises were completely deleted from the versions I've seen. I am so angry. Please, let's get this video out for people to see. I'm sending a link to the Dean blog right now!

[Zinnola]

34. Oh BUSHIT!

You must like very sedate and tranquilized candidates.
:boring: :boring: :boring:

[jonoboy]

21. just love that Dean scream !

[janx]

22. YEEEAAAGHH!

[Kolesar]

24. I cringed when Dean did that "scream"

I was actually watching it live, not digesting it in media reports --the prechewed bolus that most people have had to snack on. I thought he came across a bit foolish, but it was not at all like "he lost control" as all these idiots are promulgating.

[Cascadian]

27. I actually laughed but I said "right on!" to that!

Cannot fault a man and his passion!


John

[dflprincess]

25. I've said this before

and I say this as a Kucinich supporter.

Granted, this seemed out of character for Dean and maybe that's why such a big deal is being made of this. But, about the 200th time I saw the tape, I realized; this is not unlike the way Wellstone would get rolling during a speech. He'd shout, he'd wave his arms and he'd hop all over the stage. We loved it when he did that. I think a whole lot more is being made of this than should be.

[Cascadian]

26. In the words of William Shakespeare....

much ado about nothing! The whole thing is designed to take Dean down and you know why? He has a damn good chance of winning the nomination and even kicking Bush's ass! I honestly there are forces at work trying to discredit and spin Dean as some irrational nutcase. That is just a bunch of garbage. I think it will all backfire on the people that spread this nonsense around.


John

[Cascadian]

31. Now it goes too far!

Some idiots at some toy company (obviously repubs! I think the same ones who made the Bush "Top Gun" doll came out with this "gem". Unbelievable. Has anybody seen this?





Here's the story to it.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/us_vote_dean_doll

John

[Lisa]

33. now if he were an Albertan, people would say "it's a cultural thing"

My colleagues here at work routinely yell "Yee-haw!" when they're psyched. So if I were a spinner for the Dean campaign, I would just come up with some historical information that this is something people from Vermont do when they are about to do an important task.

Hey, if George W. yelled like that, all his supporters would be going on about what a great Texas thing he just did. (And he's not even born there.)

[Woodstock]

35. YEAHHHHHH!!!!!!

I liked the yeah, personally.

But not everyone is evolved enough to deal with passion.

So maybe he should have played it cool that night.

But I still think he's the man.

[PassingFair]

36. Boot up the butt on the media!

KICK!