Maybe dumping Dean would be a good thing.

[trumad]

Got your attention? Good!

Here me out... I read in another thread that if the DINO's won the day and got Dean dumped, it would split the party in two.

Is that a bad thing? Isn't it time for a fight ?

New School versus Old School?

New School has the Grass Roots and the Internet.

Old School, they aint got shit except for a bunch of lost elections.

I say bring it on!

[jmaier]

1. Sheesh.

Let's go from barely in the minority to wondering the desert in small bands for the next 40 years. A fighting spirit is a wonderful thing but fight to accomplish something.

[minnesotaDFLer]

2. why would we dump dean

he has the guts to fight, so leave him be.

[jmaier]

4. I wasn't suggesting such a thing.

[minnesotaDFLer]

17. i see i see

[SmokingJacket]

3. I'd be so pissed, I might turn repub.

Okay, not quite. But I might become one of those hermits who pretend politics doesn't exist.

I might learn to spin goat fur and join the travelling Rennaissance Faire.

[snowbear]

SmokingJacket.. excuse me while I puke...

:puke:

[Demit]

5. I have one foot in the Green Party already...

If the DLC dumps Dean, I can't see how I could stay a Democrat UNLESS there's a split like you describe. I will not stay with them, the bastards, if they keep going backwards. I won't.

[Rainscents]

10. Me too... If they get rid of Dean, I will leave Democrat and go to Green

completely!

[neuvocat]

6. Let's throw those so-called "moderates" out.

They jump all over Dean for his comments but when the RNC leader uses inflammatory rhetoric against the dems you don't hear a word. Not even a letter.

[ClintonTyree]

7. I'm ready if it happens....

I would prefer that it not. We can't afford to keep the country on this current heading for too much longer. The neo-cons are a terminal illness for our country.
BUT....if the "old guard" that likes to take measured steps in everything it does and refuses to confront the neo-cons WANTS a fight, they better be fit. We'd kick their asses two ways to Sunday.

[firefox]

18. The new hell will be bad for Republicans too - nt

[dogday]

Dean and Reid are the only two that I have seen that stand up to

these crooks. I am proud of both of them....

[Rainscents]

12. Don't forget Kennedy, Boxer and Kerry.

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[Mass]

14. Conyers too.

[Carolab]

8. Why? Because of Harold Ford? He's a BLUE DOG.

Remember: Dean is a SOCIAL progressive and a FISCAL conservative.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Dog_Coalition

Differences between the Blue Dogs and the DLC
Blue Dog Democrats tend to differ ideologically from another coalition of moderate Democrats, the Democratic Leadership Council (DLC). The DLC describes itself as new Democrat and positions itself as centrist while taking liberal positions on social issues and conservative positions on economic issues and trade. Democrats who identify with the Blue Dogs, on the other hand, tend to be social conservatives, but have differing positions on economic issues ranging from fiscal conservatism to economic populism. For example, most Blue Dogs are strong supporters of gun rights and get high ratings from the National Rifle Association, many have pro-life voting records, and some get high ratings from immigration reduction groups, which cannot be said for most members of the DLC. On economic issues, Blue Dogs span the spectrum from fiscal conservatives to supporters of labor unions, protectionism, and other populist measures, while the DLC tends to favor free trade.

A small number of newer Blue Dogs, however, hold positions closer to those of the DLC, and some Blue Dog Coalition members are also DLC members. Blue Dogs share with the DLC a desire to keep the Democratic Party grounded in their view of the political center, and to ensure that the party does not drift too far to the left of their own positions and no longer appeal to what they believe to be the majority of U.S. voters.

If the DLC are the "new Democrats", the Blue Dogs are almost surely "old Democrats", hearkening back to the party's past during the eras of Franklin D. Roosevelt and Harry S. Truman, and to the party's former electoral stronghold in the southern United States (see also: Boll weevil and Dixiecrats). Most members of the Blue Dog Coalition in the House represent rural districts, and a large proportion of them represent Southern states.


Differences between the Blue Dogs and the party's left wing
The Blue Dogs' moderate agenda in Congress has angered many in the Democratic party, as it often leads to them voting with the more conservative Republicans. In 2005, the members of the Blue Dog Coalition voted 32 to 3 in favor of the bill to limit access to bankruptcy protection (S 256). Congressman Collin Peterson was subjected to a heated round of questioning from colleagues in the Democratic Party over several votes where he strayed from the party line before being nominated as the Ranking Member on the U.S. House Committee on Agriculture, in what would otherwise have been a routine nomination.

On the other hand, some prominent Blue Dogs have also gotten strong support from progressive activists within the party, most notably Brad Carson of Oklahoma in his unsuccessful 2004 run for the U.S. Senate, John Tanner of Tennessee (whose Republican opponent in 2004, James L. Hart, was a radical eugenics advocate denounced by his own party), Jim Matheson of Utah, and Loretta Sanchez of California in her successful bid to unseat former Congressman Bob Dornan. Online fundraising efforts by liberal weblogs in 2004 named Brad Carson's campaign a top national priority. In some cases this support for Blue Dogs came about because the Republican opponent was seen as holding radical right wing views; in other cases the support is because in some states like Tennessee, Oklahoma, and Utah, a conservative Democrat is seen as the only kind of Democrat who can be viable at the polls. Some progressive activists also view the Blue Dogs as an important part of a Democratic Party big tent coalition, which will give the party important credibility with rural voters and social conservatives, while viewing the Blue Dogs as perhaps easier to swing to the left on fiscal and trade issues than the DLC.

Others in the party's left wing disagree, and have promoted the idea of running future primary challenges against both Blue Dog Coalition and DLC members in an effort to unseat Democratic Party members they view as unreliable or too conservative.

[LaurenG]

9. Someone tell me the Democrats aren't that

Stupid. The republicans would pay him big money to work for them.

[gratuitous]

11. Hah!

Dump Dean, when all anyone can talk about right now is the Democratic party? When was the last time that happened in an off-election year?

[shirlden]

13. I'll go with my hero, HST

Take the battle to them.
A good example of insane behavior is doing the exact same thing over and over again and then expect different results. Those who follow the dino DLC way are insane.
Let's go with our modern day version of "Given em Hell, Harry"
If we have to split the party, let it happen now, while we still have a chance to save our country. A few years down the road will be too late.

:bounce:

[GetTheRightVote]

15. I love Dr. Dean, educated but calls it like it is, more back bone then

the rest of them put together

:kick:

[crispini]

16. Considering that the DNC chair is an ELECTED position

elected by the DNC representatives ... how exactly would the DINOs "win the day?"

[LoZoccolo]

19. trumad, remember that people on an anonymous Internet message board...

...will say any self-gratifying thing they think will influence anything. And that people who spend a lot of time on an anonymous Internet message board tend to have a loose grip on the real world. They will propose civil wars, they will propose breakdowns that they fantasize will allow them to rebuild anew, all from the insular coziness of their computer den. That being established, the answers people give you in this thread are likely horse shit if they sound like it.

[RetroLounge]

25. likely horse shit

As opposed to you, who hangs out on an anonymous internet message board?

:rofl:

Thanks for the laugh, I needed it...

RL

[ldf]

27. well, quite frankly

if the democrats don't shit, as far as i'm concerned, they are OFF THE POT.

that may be from an "anonymous internet poster", but if the democrats don't grow a spine and deal with the republicans on their level, i have no intention of even going to the polls.

they are "compromising" and "centrist"ing their way to becoming republicans.

i will NOT vote for republicans in democrats clothing.

and if they ALL lose, we WILL be able to start from scratch. life may be hell for a while, but it is going to be anyway with all the "enabling" our democratic leadership is doing.

it's the leadership's kicking and screaming, desperately grasping at their waning hold on power, that is stretching out this continuing fiasco.

time is up.

and for the record, i registered as a democrat and voted in my first election in 72, and have voted almost straight party line in each election sense. so i am not some "fringe" democrat anxious to be green. they aren't an option.

and if I'M feeling this way, i'm sure there are a lot more out here just like me.

edited for brain fart

[DianeK]

20. actually i think..

it is time we had a civil war within the democratic party..it would certainly help clarify things, sharpen the focus so to speak and this is the year it must be done. Can't possibly happen within the 2006 crucial midterm

[CAcyclist]

21. Dumb move

I'd rather kick the DLC out than leave again myself

[CTLawGuy]

22. no, not a good thing

it would ensure republican dominance for a long time. We need some way to transorm the party without causing a harmful split.

[wurzel]

23. Lieberman is not a target of the GOP media.

Maybe we should dump Dean for him to keep the GOP media happy?

[Catchawave]

24. Yep, ya got my attention!

Dean is doing a fine job. Besides, who would replace him:scared:

[Sugarbleus]

28. GO DEAN!!!!

Tell it like it is and DON'T BACK DOWN. I'm sick of having to vote for candidates that are smack inside the beltway. It's refreshing to at least have a party chair that ISN'T from inside that sheltered, elitist group. :woohoo: