Wesley Clark Opinion Poll

[usregimechange]

Overall what is your opinion of the General?

[usregimechange]

1. Add your favorite picture

[Crunchy Frog]

6. Lots of favorites, but this is one of them.

Edit: Added another favorite picture. There's just so damn many of them.

[Clarkie1]

24. That pic on the right is a nice one. n/t

[KC21304]

11. Love your picture. I was close enough to touch them both

when that was taken. Mine was taken the same day, before Kerry took his coat off. Ohhhh what might have been.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

27. How about this one?

Sorry, but he IS kinda hot! :evilgrin:

[MoonRiver]

40. Yaba daba doo!

:bounce::loveya:

[Clark2008]

53. Well, my favorite picture is sentimental

It's of Clark with my son:

[MuseRider]

68. Wonderful pictures. n/t

[slay]

2. I prefer Dean's approach in general, but

I like Clark pretty darn well too. :)

[jeff30997]

3. If I understand you correctly, you are saying that...

You prefer Dean's approach in general, but you approve the General's approach too ?

[Lucky Luciano]

4. I wonder what the Republican slime machine would use against Clark

Generals for Truth?
He was a fake general promoted always through nepotism and other dubious distinctions.

All of his medals are fake?

He is not a patriot, but has always been a spy for Al Qaeda?

He cheated all through school and someone else really deserves all of his intellectual honors and achievements?

I am just curious how Rove (Whom I presume will run the next campaign) would spin Clark in a negative light.

[usregimechange]

5. Yeah, he really didn't deserve his 5 stars and medals.

[prvet]

7. He Doesn't deserve the 5th one

4 Star General

[Crunchy Frog]

9. Yeah, his wounds he got in Vietnam were all faked.

[Lucky Luciano]

14. You see!

He is clearly faking it! He is way too smily for anyone who suffered any kind of *real* injury. What a phony!!

:sarcasm:

[CarolNYC]

30. Yeah, and that too short index finger...

...on the right hand, the tip of which was supposedly shot off in the incident, isn't fooling anyone...Big deal, he has a short finger.

[Berserker]

45. Will they say

Not enough blood to geat a

[XemaSab]

73. Every time I see that picture

of that bovine wench I want to bash her horsy teeth in...

Does she not realize that she is right up there with the Morans dude in terms of making an ass of herself?

I'd like to beat her once with my left fist for every person who had to stand in line for over an hour in Ohio, and beat her once with my right fist for every black person purged from the voter rolls in Florida.

And when that's done, I'd like to beat her with BOTH fists for every person like Max Cleland who was seriously injured in Vietnam, and then I'd like to give her a GOOD SHARP KICK for every person who went to Vietnam who didn't make it home. And when that's done I'd like to repeat the punching and the kicks ONLY HARDER for every person who has been injured or hasn't made it home from Iraq.

Way to support the troops, bitch!

[MODemocrat]

83. Who is that homely hag?

Please apply a warning label. That is a shocking picture!

She needs to get a new dentist (for horses)
:puke:

[KC21304]

8. Yea, he was faking it all those months in the hospital

after he was wounded. I'm sure they will have someone who was there at the same time who was REALLY wounded to say Clark was playing it up pretty good.

[Jai4WKC08]

12. I'm sure that's what they'll try...

But Clark has a lot of friends, from every step of his career, to stand up for him. Some of them were even his senior officers... the ones who recommended him for promotion. The battalion commander (retired one-star now) who put him in for his Silver Star, and personally witnessed his heroism, appeared on Clark's campaign video, for example.

[Island Blue]

19. Well, they slimed the hell out of triple amputee

Max Cleland pretty well, so I'm sure they could think of something.

[Lucky Luciano]

20. You have a very good point..

The thugs truly are shameless.

[TheFarseer]

22. Haven't you heard?

The operation in Kosovo was a total failure. He recklessly bombed Serbian hospitals, killed thousands of innocent Serbs. He didn't get the intelligence he needed and bombed the Chinese embassy. We went in without U.N. approval - alienating our allies and provocing the Russians. He was fired for insubordination as well as his general lack of integrity and character.

These are not my words (I love Wes), but things a quick search on yahoo can find. I suppose it doesn't matter to RWers that the operation in Kosovo achieved it's goals without, if I'm not mistaken, any loss of life on our side.

[GiovanniC]

33. No Americans Died in the Kosovo Operation

If memory serves.

[Tom Rinaldo]

26. They have ways to attack Clark because they don't care about truth

A lot was written about this during the 2004 race. The Republican noise machine spun out attack lines to use against Clark from both the right and left. They also tried to pin negative personality characteristics such as driven by ego and ambition, arrogant, haughty etc. on Clark. They tried to make it seem like the guy the Joint Chiefs turned to for strategic planning was mentally unbalanced (an attack used against McCain also).

But here's what counts. Clark never helped organize a movement against the Viet Nam War, Kerry did. Frankly that was my biggest reason for working FOR Kerry, to ME that was a huge plus, but the Republicans got to pour a lot of salt into old wounds over that, and use it as a jumping off place to say that Kerry left Viet Nam being anti military (wasn't true but doesn't matter to them). Second, Clark hits back quickly and strongly every time the Republicans come at him. Clark is never a sitting target. He is masterful at phrases that nail their hypocrisy, such as taunting Bush for "prancing around on an aircraft carrier".

Because of Clark's "patriotic" career, it is not as easy for Republicans to make their standard charges stick against him. Moderates are less willing to leap to negative conclusions about Clark than they are with some other Democrats. That gives Clark an opening to turn attacks against him around against those who are doing the attacking. Clark comes across as smart and sincere, because he is smart and sincere, and he has that resume. The best way for Republicans to cripple Clark is to get their media surrogates to knock him off while he is still competing for Democratic votes for the nomination.

No one is immune to Republican attacks, but they aren't immune to ours either.

[cornfedyank]

39. the advocate cover will come up somewhere.

i don't know about this short index finger blip. Is it like big ear lobes?

[CarolNYC]

49. The Advocate cover did come up....

....just a bit downthread. :)

As for the short finger, he really did get the tip of it blown off by one of the four bullets that hit him when he was wounded in VietNam. He also had to teach himself how to walk without a limp (which he was told he never would be able to do again) and to regain full use of his right hand.

[cornfedyank]

65. maybe the tip of the tip.. the picture shows the nail

it may have gotten nicked. i was not there. Anyway, that is closer than shrub or 5-deferment dick got to the danger.

[minnesotaDFLer]

44. theyd probablyt say he loves war too much

[AAARRRGGGHHH]

78. I love "Generals for Truth"!

Although <shudder to think>, I think that Rove will get more traction with the braindeads by 'exploiting' the Advocate cover. God forbid a tolerant, compassionate man of action who doesn't take crap off of anybody. The Christian Right will mobilize in droves against a candidate who openly supports gay rights.

Also, I think I might've found another avenue of attack for Rove ...

On Clark's military uniform, I saw that he had Airborne wings. Well, I have them too, and I'm nothing but a 'bleeding-heart, tax-and-spend Northeast Liberal'. Does Gen. Clark really want to group himself in with the likes of us? ;)

[Mojambo]

10. I'll give him all due consideration

He seems like a very learned and thoughtful man.

[guajira]

13. Hope This works!

www.medaloffreedom.com/WesleyClark.htm

[Sparkly]

15. Hey, usregimechange

Please fix the spelling in your thread title! :)

[nickshepDEM]

16. Approve.

[Andromeda]

17. I like the General...

and I hope he throws his hat in the ring in 2008. Maybe he will get more traction the next time around.

He's a thoughtful and intelligent man with a lot to offer the Democratic party.

[roguevalley]

18. AAARRRRRRRGGGGHHHHHHH! ARRRGGGGHHH!!!!!

I was clicking strongly approve and somehow strongly disapproved came up and its too late to change!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Take one off dis and put up with approve. I DEMAND A PAPER BALLOT!!!!

RV, technically inept but a HUGE supporter of the General

[snowbear]

28. Tsk.. tsk...

Oh boy.. a fello' Alaskan accidently hit the strongly disapprove on our wonderful General? :spank:

Hey, you're off the hook because you told the truth! :hug: :pals: (BTW, cute pups you have there!)

So.. are there honestly two people here who truly "strongly disapprove" of him :o :o :o :o :o ?

[Tom Rinaldo]

29. Don't be silly. Democrats are never unanimous about anything

Some will feel that no one should enter politics directly from a military career for example. Others will feel that one has to rise slowly through Democratic ranks etc before getting a shot at the top job and translate not doing so with a lust for power or whatever. People have their reasons, since I strongly approve of Clark they don't hold water for me, but people see things differently. People differ on Edwards Kerry Dean Clinton and Kucinich also, so there is nothing to be surprised about.

[snowbear]

31. For those who selected "strongly disapprove" over just "disapprove"..

Wouldn't it be nice if they shared to us their reasons for STRONGLY objecting him?

:headbang:

[Tom Rinaldo]

34. I must be jaded. No I don't think so, though it's a free country, lol

I've read countless threads where people strongly disapproved of Clark, many of them based on falsehoods that the poster may or may not have been aware were false. Trust me, it can get tedious. Someone above said you can find that crap on the internet. It's true. Republicans, and some leftist Democrats, went to a lot of trouble to develop entire web sites used to attack and undermine Clark. Maybe you just missed out on all the flame fests we all used to get treated to around here.

[snowbear]

37. Yup.. I know...

And also we never know who's hitting that "strongly disapprove" selection anyhow.. ;)

But the way the question is worded doesn't even ask what people here think of him as one of our '08 candidates..

It just asks what we think about him in general..

Just a "general General" question ~ :headbang:

[CarolNYC]

38. I just said the same thing

about the strongly disapproves expalining their votes...but I understand where Tom's coming from...I wouldn't enjoy a flamefest either.

[bigwillq]

21. Approve of him as a potential

2008 Candidate.

[Clark Bar]

23. Wesley Clark

is my choice in 2008. I believe he is the strongest Democratic candidate to run against the the Repugs. Obviously, he isn't the choice of the media. Screw those lap dogs!

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

25. Here's a report of an incident that a lot of people don't know about

because Clark himself doesn't talk about it much. In 1995 (as a 50-year-old 3-star general), he rappelled down a mountainside in Bosnia to try to save some men who were trapped in a burning vehicle. Clark is a genuine hero -- Bush and those other chickenhawks would have run away or wet their pants under circumstances like this.

"In August 1995, the general — three stars, working as J-5 for the Joint Chiefs — went to Bosnia as part of the negotiating team Ambassador Richard Holbrooke had put together to end the civil war that had resulted in the massacre of as many as eight thousand Muslim men and boys at the town of Srebrenica the month before. In Belgrade, Clark had met for the first time Serbian president Slobodan Milosevic, who was sponsoring the Bosnian Serbs. Now the team had to travel to Sarajevo. Told that the airport in Sarajevo was too dangerous to fly into, the team decided to drive and asked Milosevic to guarantee its safety on a road held by Bosnian Serbs. Milosevic did not, and so the team wound up taking a fortified Humvee and an armored personnel carrier on a pitched, narrow, winding mountain road notoriously vulnerable to Serb machine-gun fire. Clark and Holbrooke went in the Humvee, the rest in the APC.

In his book, the general describes what happened this way: "At the end of the first week we had a tragic accident on Mount Igman, near Sarajevo. were killed when the French armored personnel carrier in which they were riding broke through the shoulder of the road and tumbled several hundred meters down a steep hillside."

It is not until one reads Holbrooke's book…that one finds out that after the APC went off the road, Clark grabbed a rope, anchored it to a tree stump, and rappelled down the mountainside after it, despite the gunfire that the explosion of the APC set off, despite the warnings that the mountainside was heavily mined, despite the rain and the mud, and despite Holbrooke yelling that he couldn't go. It is not until one brings the incident up to the general that one finds out that the burning APC had turned into a kiln, and that Clark stayed with it and aided in the extraction of the bodies.

Hearing this story, you begin to get the sense of Clark's sense of duty, his extraordinary courage, and quite simply, his heroism. And yet, when writing about this ordeal in his own autobiography, Clark simply describes what occurred as a "tragic accident" in which three members of his team were killed."

http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/868.html

[ksclematis]

79. As an addendum to this story

it should be told that General Clark retrieved one of the deceased men's wedding ring and later presented it to the man's wife. Should tell something of his character.....

GO, WES, GO!!!

[VOX]

32. I'm an Edwards backer, but I strongly approve of Wes Clark...

I would avidly support him in any endeavor, including a run for the presidency. :thumbsup:

[Awsi Dooger]

36. Same here

It's vital we reclaim the white female vote and I've seen plenty of evidence Edwards and Clark are the two best bets in that regard. A surprising number of women who are lifelong friends of my 70ish mother are bigtime Wes Clark supporters.

[CarolNYC]

35. I voted strongly approve

But I doubt that would surprise anyone.

I do wish at least the strongly disapprove voters would explain their votes...but perhaps they have no reasons to explain. :shrug:

And I do like these pictures....In the first, taken by my sister at a Clark for Kerry event, the good General listens closely to my little niece sporting a Joe Hoeffel sticker, as he holds the pictures she and her brother drew for him and the brownies they made for him using his Aunt Rosalie's recipe. :)



In this one, even though taken from the side, I like that you can still see the twinkle in his eye as he speaks passionately with a supporter...This also brings back really nice memories of a really nice event. :)

[Ilsa]

41. Here's one of my favorites:

On Edit: I like this one too:

[Ilsa]

42. One more:

He looks a little bit corporate in this one, but I say it's a keeper as well. A very distinguished-looking man, IMO. His wife is lovely also.

He's my first choice for 2008, which can't get here soon enough.

[minnesotaDFLer]

43. i dont know a hole lot about him

but from what ive seen, looks pretty good

[baron j]

46. Srongly Approve!

I mean, Strongly Approve!

[autorank]

47. autorank STRONGLY APPROVES of the General. He's our nominee!

Oh, but I forgot, the sleazoid Bob Novak says that Hillary has it locked up in 2008. Now I like Hillary, especially when she's kicking Republican butt as she has been lately.

BUT Clark is the man with the leadership and experience to leads us out of this mess.

Let's make it happen, without a doubt. In order to do that, be sure to...

Contact the DNC and Give 'em Hell About NOT Acting on Election Fraud

NEW LEADERS FOR A NEW DEMOCRATIC PARTY

[FrenchieCat]

48. kewl, but this seems to be a ***Puff Thread***

But since many others have had one this week, why not Wes Clark?

a military genius with heart... who knows exactly when and where to use "the big stick"......over the heads of the Rethugs!

OMG! Did you ask for pictures?
Now YOU know that I am more than happy and willing to oblige!



http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,293307,00.jpg

[CarolNYC]

50. nice pictures, Frenchie n/t

[Pepperbelly]

51. I am impressed that WWIII in Pristina hasn't yet been trotted out

Sir Michael's bullshit snit over who was in charge.

edited to rid title of an extra 'e'. my typing sucks.

[FrenchieCat]

58. It's been debunked for sometime now...

and many DUers are aware of it.

Lemme know if you want the "Debunk Extraordinaire" on that particular Hyperbole. PM me, and I will gladly provide it! :hi:

[liberaliraqvet26]

52. just like a chickenhawk....

to bash a real honorable military man.

[Larry in KC]

54. Oh, how eager I am to do that at the ballot box in Nov. 2008!

STRONGLY APPROVE, that is!

Duty, honor, country.

[LuPeRcALiO]

55. Strongly Approve

on account of his taking an interest in Darfur, at least according to a DU thread that was up a few weeks ago.

[Adelante]

59. Yes, Dafur, Rwanda, Bosnia et al

He takes an interest in genocide wherever it happens.

[FrenchieCat]

61. One of the very few, at that.

and in fact was one of the few to want to do something about Rwanda....before it also became a Genocide.

Waiting for the General
By Elizabeth Drew
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/16795
Clark displeased the defense secretary, Bill Cohen, and General Hugh Shelton, then chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, by arguing strenuously that—contrary to Clinton's decision— the option of using ground troops in Kosovo should remain open. But the problem seems to have gone further back. Some top military leaders objected to the idea of the US military fighting a war for humanitarian reasons. Clark had also favored military action against the genocide in Rwanda.

http://www.crookedtimber.org/archives/001104.html
Clark was almost alone in pushing for a humanitarian intervention in Rwanda.

Pulitzer award winning Samantha Power for her book "A Problem from Hell" : America and the Age of Genocide
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0060541644/qid=1114936910/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/002-7692952-2877630?v=glance&s=books
endorsed Wes Clark http://www.kiddingonthesquare.com/2003/12/redeeming_wes...
The following excerpts from Power's book give the details. The narrative surrounding the quotes was written by another person commenting on the book. Note especially Power's last comment below on Clark's pariah status in Washington:

General Clark is one of the heroes of Samantha Power's book. She introduces him on the second page of her chapter on Rwanda and describes his distress on learning about the genocide there and not being able to contact anyone in the Pentagon who really knew anything about it and/or about the Hutu and Tutsi.

She writes, "He frantically telephoned around the Pentagon for insight into the ethnic dimension of events in Rwanda. Unfortunately, Rwanda had never been of more than marginal concern to Washington's most influential planners" (p. 330) .

He advocated multinational action of some kind to stop the genocide. "Lieutenant General Wesley Clark looked to the White House for leadership. 'The Pentagon is always going to be the last to want to intervene,' he says. 'It is up to the civilians to tell us they want to do something and we'll figure out how to do it.' But with no powerful personalities or high-ranking officials arguing forcefully for meaningful action, midlevel Pentagon officials held sway, vetoing or stalling on hesitant proposals put forward by midlevel State Department and NSC officials" (p. 373).

According to Power, General Clark was already passionate about humanitarian concerns, especially genocide, before his appointment as Supreme Allied Commander of NATO forces in Europe.

"Yet in Washington Clark was a pariah. In July 1999 he was curtly informed that he would be replaced as supreme allied commander for Europe. This forced his retirement and ended thirty-four years of distinguished service. Favoring humanitarian intervention had never been a great career move."

Samantha Power's comments on Wesley Clark at the December 17, 2003, press conference in Concord, New Hampshire after the General's testimony at the Hague.

"Good afternoon. It's a real honor for me to be here with General Clark, and with Edita Tahiri. My name is Samantha Power. I spent about seven years looking into American responses to genocide in the twentieth century, and discovered something that may not surprise you but that did surprise me, which was that until 1999 the United States had actually never intervened to prevent genocide in our nation's history. Successive American presidents had done an absolutely terrific job pledging never again, and remembering the holocaust, but ultimately when genocide confronted them, they weighed the costs and the benefits of intervention, and they decided that the risks of getting involved were actually far greater than the other non-costs from the standpoint of the American public, of staying uninvolved or being bystanders. That changed in the mid-1990s, and it changed in large measure because General Clark rose through the ranks of the American military.

The mark of leadership is not to standup when everybody is standing, but rather to actually stand up when no one else is standing. And it was Pentagon reluctance to intervene in Rwanda, and in Bosnia, that actually made it much, much easier for political leaders to turn away.
http://www.kiddingonthesquare.com/2004/01/index.html

[LuPeRcALiO]

74. thanks

Wouldn't it be great if the US military wasn't controlled by inept thugs.

[JHBowden]

56. Approve, though the cult of personality sucks.

eom

[Jai4WKC08]

57. "Cult of personality"?

Hmmm... lessee...

Dictionary.com defines "cult of personality as:
n : intense devotion to a particular person

OK, I'll buy that.

Now, you and I both know there are darker connotations. But honestly... I can't see how they apply. Do you really think there's a danger of Clark becoming another Stalin, Mao or (gasp) Hitler? Surely not, if you do in fact "approve" of him.

Call the Clark phenomenon what you want. Make it sound as sinister as you want. Whatever blows your skirt up. But don't you think you should ask yourself... How is it in anyway harmful to anyone?

Godfrey Daniels, why is having a Democratic leader who inspires people not a good thing??? Can't you remember, haven't you read about, the days when Democrats could actually believe in their leaders? The days of FDR? JFK? And all the great Democrats of the '60s? Are you too jaded and cynical? And if so, why?

Peronally, I'd say it's a pretty damned good thing if our devotion to Clark helps get a Democrat back in the White House, and more Democrats into the Congress.

There were a lot more people who worked a lot harder for Kerry than they would have had Clark not thrown his own heart and soul into the campaign. The Kerry/Edwards campaign had one of its biggest on-line money days when Clark was featured on the front page of the website. And when he sent out an e-mail solicitation for Chet Edwards (the only TX Democrat to survive DeLay's redistricting), Edwards raised over $45,000 directly attributable to Clark supporters. That's a lot of cash. And this red-state Clarkie saw a LOT of us put a lot of hours into neighboring battlegrounds. We'll be doing it again in 2006.

You may not like it... you may think everyone should be altruistic enough to do it on their own, without the leadership and direction. But that's not how human nature works, or we wouldn't need a DNC, or MoveOn.org, or any of a hundred other organizations to focus our efforts.

So tell me... what about this so-called "cult of personality" sucks?

[Adelante]

60. I don't care what you think of Clark supporters

I am glad you approve of Clark :hi:

[FrenchieCat]

62. Gosh....

come on, JHBowden! I don't "suck" that badly....do I? :hi:

[Pystoff]

63. If not president...

If any democrat other than Clark wins in 2008 make him Def Sec I say.

[liberaliraqvet26]

66. SecDef is a great idea...

as much as I would love to see him prez, he is probably the only person that is capable of cleaning up rummy's mess and bring dignity back to that cabinet position. Man the neocon's would be fuming.

[AntiCoup2K4]

67. When did Clark retire from the military?

Would he be eligible to BE Secretary of Defense as of January 20, 2009?

As for Clark as President.... my honest opinion is that a candidate with executive political experience is our best chance, as proven by governors being the overwhelming choice for elected (and otherwise in the Chimp's case) Presidents in the last 30 years.

That said, if Clark could be elected, I'd certainly prefer him over Hillary, Kerry or the rest of the Al From Flunkies.

[Pystoff]

69. Likewise

He would make a good president true but Def Sec man he could fix that mess much better than anyone else I can think of offhand...and have the militarys respect as one of them.

That a Florida flag on your post?

[ClarkUSA]

77. SecDef needs 10 years out of the military - Clark retired in 2000

Prez is fine with me, though. ;-)

[BikeWriter]

64. Srongly Approve! I wanted him to run against the chicken hawks...

The liars could not have discredited him.

[Kathleen04]

70. Strongly approve!

:)

[IndyOp]

71. Clark must admit US use of military to dominate resources is wrong

I voted 'disapprove' - For Clark to win me over, he must admit that US policy in regards to the School of Americas and using US military to dominate resources must be radically altered. If he would do that he would be very, very powerful. A modern-day General Smedley Butler.

"From June 1996 to July 1997, General Clark served as Commander of the US Southern Command, where he was responsible for US military activities concerning Latin America, including the School of the Americas (SOA)... Asked about his continued support of the SOA during an event in Manchester, NH, on Dec. 19, 2003, Clark responded, " I’m not going to have been in charge of a school that I can’t be proud of." In reaction to a question asked in Concord, NH, about the torture manuals Clark stated: "We're teaching police procedures and human rights . . . never taught torture." (Link below)

The statement that the SOA never taught torture is a lie. The primary goal of that program is now and always has been to train people to go out and dominate by using terrorism - including torture. They hold classes in which they teach students with books about 'how to evade torture'. Each method of torture is described in detail and the conclusion of each description is 'there is no way to escape' this method.

Clark's statement above that "those who committed human rights abuses should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law" sounds to me similar the * administration's statement that the low-level people
stationed at Abu Ghraib should be prosecuted -- that is wrong, the sickness is in the chain of command.

It is not enough for me that Clark espouses (and lives) many positive liberal values. I cannot set aside my concern about the impact of the US role in the world -- and the blowback that causes. The US obsession with oil does not just impact our policy in the Mideast, is impacts our policy in Mexico and South America -- the destination of many SOA graduates.

This page on Common Dreams - is a press release from School of Americas Watch (SOAW):
<http://www.commondreams.org/news2004/0120-03.htm >

General Clark, the School of the Americas, and U.S. Values:
<http://www.soaw.org/new/article.php?id=721 >

I love Clark's directness, his willingness to take on liars and bullies -- is he powerful enough to take on the biggest - the US military?

:kick:

ON EDIT: Adding link from Clark2008's response to my concerns about Clark on another page -- I am willing to read more and will keep an open mind. Must go grade statistics exams right now - yuck!

<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1849950&mesg_id=1850154>

[Donna Zen]

72. Thanks for the thread

Pondering:

The tip of the right index finger: The bullet that hit Clark's hand entered in the "V" formed by the thumb and the index finger. The muscle and part of the lower bone of the index finger were affected. Clark has said that injury was the worst, worse than losing 1/4 of his lower leg muscle, because it took many surgeries to reconstruct and left the finger shorter.

Clark will be one year short of the 10 years necessary for being named as SoD.

I think that my trivia meter has run out, so it's back to the garden.

Oooops! one thing: Eric Massa, who has his own Clark story, is running for congress in NY 29'th district. He is great, just great! Eric was a victim of the republican slime machine just because he supported Clark. If you are in DC on the 21st, a fund raiser is being held for Erik... please go. If you are in or around his district, Eric is a person you will be proud to help.

[Chauga]

75. He'd certainly get my vote

[derby378]

76. If he drops his support for the AWB, he gets my vote

If he won't - well, he'll have to earn my vote just like everyone else.

[A Brand New World]

80. Strongly Approve! I was all set to vote for him in the Ohio primary

last November but Kerry essentially had the primaries sewn up by then, so I voted for Kerry. And I supported Kerry 100% from then on. I seriously believe that he won Ohio and the Presidency.

But if Clark runs in 2008, he'll have my vote. Hopefully, he'll get started early on and get a good, running start - not like last time.

I can't see Clark letting his military career be smeared through the mud like Kerry let the SBVFT do his military records. That whole fiasco should have been addressed immediately, not allowed to fester like it did.

[MODemocrat]

81. Clark's my favorite

He will make a great president.

[AX10]

82. He is my first choice for President!