Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

I've done the un-thinkable. I looked up the Green Party on the internet.

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU
 
patricia92243 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 05:42 AM
Original message
I've done the un-thinkable. I looked up the Green Party on the internet.
I didn't actually read any of it, and can't even remember who they ran in the presidential election.

But, seriously I am ready to bolt the Democratic Party if they throw Dean to the wolves - and it sure sounds like they are building up to it. If big money wants him to go - he's gone. It doesn't matter what we peons think.

You know what I'll miss most of all - my DU. I love it here, but I would not be interested in the Democratic Party or anything about it.

I hope, I hope, I hope our Party does the right thing, but I have little faith. They haven't done the right thing for years, so why should they start now.

I think I need another cup of coffee. I'm feeling awful sour and pessimistic this morning.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 05:52 AM
Response to Original message
1. Relax. Don't do it.
Dean is not going away.

If he's going to be The Maximum Leader, then he can say any damned thing he wants to.

If he's not going to be, then he will continue to "run interference" for the party, doing as much damage to Republican morale and arrogance as he can.

In either situation, his audacity will gain us far more than will politeness. "The big money" isn't stupid money, either. If Dean can win power, then Dean will be the Golden Boy.

As for DU, it is not a Democratic Party organ. The "Democratic" isn't used in the sense of the political party. It's used like the word "Democracy". So there is no need to leave in a fit of pique over the actions of the Democratic Party leadership.

Incidentally, stop thinking of the Democratic Party as "them". If you are a Democrat, you have a perfect right to be heard, so why not get to know some of your local Democratic politicians, and let them know what you want? Too many people here have an attitude that they are party vassals. That just ain't true. Pick up a phone and talk to some Democrats today!

--p!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
patricia92243 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 06:02 AM
Response to Reply #1
3. Thanks. Obviously, I need a little morale boost this morning. As for
picking up the phone and talking to some Democrats - I don't KNOW any Democrats - that is why DU is such a lifeline to us folks living in the south in a red state. My family, people at work, neighbors, etc. are all Republicans. :(
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 06:14 AM
Response to Reply #3
8. I mean the elected Democrats and their office staffs
There must be a few Democrats in your neck of the woods. Do you have a county or parish Democratic Party? Call them up and ask what the local "strategery" is and how you can pitch in. If you have Democratic representatives and/or senators, call their offices and make your voice heard.

In fact, you can even do this with Republicans -- just be polite and you'll probably make an impact on them, even if it only means that they have to think twice about voting for some inane bill.

If you are one of the few Democrats in your area, you can use that as a source of great personal power. You will not only recruit, you will also be keeping the lines of communication open with the local Republicans. Most people seek this power for personal gratification -- dare you seek power to build a better future for America?

Even if you're currently motivated by a deep and burning hatred for the GOP, keep in mind that the High Roads lead to progressively better futures. Why not make your own High Road the road to the stars?

Despair is often just a brief stop on the way to happiness. Good luck!

--p!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 05:56 AM
Response to Original message
2. I like the Greens, but they don't have a chance of winning and
winning is the only way to save our country from the Republican greed machine.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
patricia92243 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 06:05 AM
Response to Reply #2
4. IMHO - the Democrats won't have a chance of winning if they boot Dean. To
me, that would symbolic of what the Party thinks and where they are going - without me. I hope poster #1 is right, and I am wrong. In fact, I'll be delighted to be wrong.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 06:06 AM
Response to Reply #2
5. Me too.
You should stay and turn the Democratic party left toward the Green platform. That is the answer.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
CWebster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 06:06 AM
Response to Original message
6. Dean Just Told Them The Truth and They Thought It Was Hell
http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0610-28.htm

You're not alone--hang in there.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DeepGreen Donating Member (572 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 06:14 AM
Response to Original message
7. The Green' s have many positions I agree with, bottom line
probably more than the Democratic Party.
But, they can not win. I am not a Democrat at
heart. I am Liberal. I am Green. But most
of all, I am not Republican. Why do you
think DU is just for Democrats ? From
my view point, it is not. Why not be
what you want to be and still be in DU?
DU is only a name. There are various positions
in here. In the most part there is tolerance
for different views and a willingness to
try and understand different view points,
which is more than I can say for the Democratic
Party at times.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
slor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 06:46 AM
Response to Original message
9. This is silly...
I am a Green Democrat, you can be one too. If it looks like a Green would win a Presidential race, I would vote that way. I always support Greens on a local level, when they are able to be voted for, and that is an effective way to get them in a position to go national. But to say you would leave DU, ignoring all of the "Green-ness" that could be found here, is a mistake. And regarding Dean, we would make our voices heard, if they cast him aside. My guess is that they will not make that mistake.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
seaglass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 06:58 AM
Response to Original message
10. "If I don't get my way, I'm running away." Sounds like a pouting
child to me. Whatever. Obviously the Dem party doesn't mean that much to you.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 07:03 AM
Response to Reply #10
11. By that analogy...
... a woman leaving a battering husband would be a pouting child.

Please, there is absolutely a point of no return in every human relationship. I don't think Dean is going anywhere, but if he does I'm gone too because the pink-tutu, corporate tit-sucking jackoffs can not only NOT WIN against the Republicans, when they do win things are only a tiny bit better.

I've never felt like there was a litmus test for staying a Dem before, but this is definitely it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
seaglass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 07:10 AM
Response to Reply #11
12. Right, because her life is at risk if she stays a Dem - a bit
extreme wouldn't you say?

There are points of no return, it's just that some are weaker and can handle less adversity than others.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 07:17 AM
Response to Reply #12
13. Yes...
.. I speak extreme, that's what I do. If some Dems would learn how to, maybe we could win an election once in a while :)

Ok, I'll tone down my analogy - this one is serious and bulletproof.

A woman gets married. But her new husband, who seemed to have it together, refuses to work, refuses to help with the childre, refuses to do much of anything but hang with some loser friends and go along with them.

Would she be wrong for dumping his ass? Not on your life, and if Dean were forced out of the DNC (I don't think this is likely BTW, but IF), I'm done waiting around for Dems to get their shit together, I am gone.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
seaglass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 07:38 AM
Response to Reply #13
14. I'm guessing from your analogy that you believe that Dean is
the only one who can and will do anything for the Dems, so I can see why your impulse would be to jump ship. I don't believe that (and I'm glad - I'd hate to have to pin all my hopes and dreams on one person).

I'm a much more forgiving person. I recognize that we are in the minority right now, that our Dems have a difficult job and that they are trying. They are not perfect. They don't do everything I want them to do, they do some things I don't want them to do. But the last thing I want to see is a loss by the Dems in 2006 so I'm sticking with them.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 07:52 AM
Response to Reply #14
15. My problem...
Edited on Mon Jun-13-05 07:55 AM by sendero
... is that

1) they've done almost nothing to stop any of Bush**'s agenda. Only in the last couple of months have they even really tried.

2) Dems refuse to fight the battle that the Republicans have defined, and really there is no choice. Trying to defeat the infinite spin, the echo-chamber talking points and the vilification of "liberals" with happy talk is a total waste of time.

At least Dean has figured that much out.

I'm not suggesting that you shouldn't stick with them. Two years ago, I was bitching at anyone who'd suggest that they were thinking of jumping ship. I suppose we all have our limit. I don't expect any kind of perfection, I just get tired of the same tired tactics, the same tired players and I'm confident that Dean has a better plan. Other than Clark, I don't see a single face in the Dem leadership that has a chance against the Republican attack machine.

On edit: I'm not a Hillary fan but she might, just might be able to take on the Repugs. I'd happpily support her if she is running a tough campaign, although her stance on the issues is not very good.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mandyky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 08:25 AM
Response to Original message
16. Think of it this way - if they force him out, he can run in 08!
Join DFA. I am a very independendent Dem.

I will be very upset with the DNC if they betray Dean, too, but I would love if he runs for President again.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 08:28 AM
Response to Original message
17. You can turn Green and still belong to DU.
I'm considering it myself, but there's no way I'd stop coming to DU.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 08:29 AM
Response to Original message
18. What's so unthinkable 'bout peace, love, and uhhhnderstaahndin'?
I personally can't quibble over these ten values of the Green Party:

1. GRASSROOTS DEMOCRACY
Every human being deserves a say in the decisions that affect their lives and not be subject to the will of another. Therefore, we will work to increase public participation at every level of government and to ensure that our public representatives are fully accountable to the people who elect them. We will also work to create new types of political organizations which expand the process of participatory democracy by directly including citizens in the decision-making process.

2. SOCIAL JUSTICE AND EQUAL OPPORTUNITY
All persons should have the rights and opportunity to benefit equally from the resources afforded us by society and the environment. We must consciously confront in ourselves, our organizations, and society at large, barriers such as racism and class oppression, sexism and homophobia, ageism and disability, which act to deny fair treatment and equal justice under the law.

3. ECOLOGICAL WISDOM
Human societies must operate with the understanding that we are part of nature, not separate from nature. We must maintain an ecological balance and live within the ecological and resource limits of our communities and our planet. We support a sustainable society which utilizes resources in such a way that future generations will benefit and not suffer from the practices of our generation. To this end we must practice agriculture which replenishes the soil; move to an energy efficient economy; and live in ways that respect the integrity of natural systems.

4. NON-VIOLENCE
It is essential that we develop effective alternatives to society’s current patterns of violence. We will work to demilitarize, and eliminate weapons of mass destruction, without being naive about the intentions of other governments. We recognize the need for self-defense and the defense of others who are in helpless situations. We promote non-violent methods to oppose practices and policies with which we disagree, and will guide our actions toward lasting personal, community and global peace.

5. DECENTRALIZATION
Centralization of wealth and power contributes to social and economic injustice, environmental destruction, and militarization. Therefore, we support a restructuring of social, political and economic institutions away from a system which is controlled by and mostly benefits the powerful few, to a democratic, less bureaucratic system. Decision-making should, as much as possible, remain at the individual and local level, while assuring that civil rights are protected for all citizens.

6. COMMUNITY-BASED ECONOMICS AND ECONOMIC JUSTICE
We recognize it is essential to create a vibrant and sustainable economic system, one that can create jobs and provide a decent standard of living for all people while maintaining a healthy ecological balance. A successful economic system will offer meaningful work with dignity, while paying a “living wage” which reflects the real value of a person’s work.

Local communities must look to economic development that assures protection of the environment and workers’ rights; broad citizen participation in planning; and enhancement of our “quality of life.” We support independently owned and operated companies which are socially responsible, as well as co-operatives and public enterprises that distribute resources and control to more people through democratic participation.

7. FEMINISM AND GENDER EQUITY
We have inherited a social system based on male domination of politics and economics. We call for the replacement of the cultural ethics of domination and control with more cooperative ways of interacting that respect differences of opinion and gender. Human values such as equity between the sexes, interpersonal responsibility, and honesty must be developed with moral conscience. We should remember that the process that determines our decisions and actions is just as important as achieving the outcome we want.

8. RESPECT FOR DIVERSITY
We believe it is important to value cultural, ethnic, racial, sexual, religious and spiritual diversity, and to promote the development of respectful relationships across these lines.

We believe that the many diverse elements of society should be reflected in our organizations and decision-making bodies, and we support the leadership of people who have been traditionally closed out of leadership roles. We acknowledge and encourage respect for other life forms than our own and the preservation of biodiversity.

9. PERSONAL AND GLOBAL RESPONSIBILITY
We encourage individuals to act to improve their personal well-being and, at the same time, to enhance ecological balance and social harmony. We seek to join with people and organizations around the world to foster peace, economic justice, and the health of the planet.

10. FUTURE FOCUS AND SUSTAINABILITY
Our actions and policies should be motivated by long-term goals. We seek to protect valuable natural resources, safely disposing of or “unmaking” all waste we create, while developing a sustainable economics that does not depend on continual expansion for survival. We must counterbalance the drive for short-term profits by assuring that economic development, new technologies, and fiscal policies are responsible to future generations who will inherit the results of our actions.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Fri Apr 26th 2024, 11:05 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC