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pnziii Donating Member (168 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 12:37 AM
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Kerry PRO War/Pro Censorship/Pro Corporation/Bought & Sold
Take a look at Kerry's voting record. How can we believe he is going to fight FOR us when he voted AGAINST us.

Senate Vote on Welfare Reform H.R. 3734

Welfare reform - The Senate approved legislation that preyed on the limited rights of vulnerable groups including children, immigrants, the poor and the elderly in the name of welfare reform. The bill also eroded free speech for not-for-profit organizations, violated the separation of church and state, and damaged privacy rights by establishing a de facto national identification system.
Sen John Kerry voted for this and so did Santorum & Ashcroft
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Senate Vote on Government Funding of Religious Institutions S. 1956

Government Funding of Religious Institutions - Included in the welfare overhaul was a provision that could force state governments, under threat of lawsuits, to contract with religious institutions, including houses of worship, to provide taxpayer-funded social services, even if they are delivered in a proselytizing environment. This, too, was a recurring theme in the 104th Congress where
opponents of religious liberty repeatedly sought to pass provisions to lower the wall of separation between church and state
Kerry voted for this and so did Santorum & Ashcroft
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How the Senate voted on Internet Censorship S.652

Internet Censorship - As part of a major overhaul of the nation's telecommunications industries, both the House and Senate approved major new censorship schemes for the Internet. The Senate adopted its version, the so-called Communications Decency Act, Kerry voted for this. Even Lieberman against this
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Senate Vote on Campaign Finance Reform S. 1219

Campaign Finance Reform - In a sign of widespread disillusion with the political process, both the House and Senate considered versions of campaign finance reform that the ACLU believed to be
unconstitutional infringements of free speech provisions of the First Amendment.
Kerry voted for this and voted against the First amendment... Even Ashcroft and Santorum voted for the First Amendment.
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Senate Vote on Medical Privacy H.R 3103

Medical privacy - Hidden within the massive health care reform bill approved by Congress in the stampede for an August recess was a deceptively labeled provision that further eroded the privacy rights of all Americans. The provision, known as "administrative simplification," gives government and businesses access to confidential medical information about individuals without their consent and establishes a unique health identification number for every patient, health provider, health plan and employer

Kerry, Ashcroft, Santorum and many others voted against Medical Privacy
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Senate Vote on Immigration Legislation H.R. 2202

Immigration - Seeking to capitalize on a wave of anti-immigration initiatives, both the House and Senate passed bills that represented the most draconian and divisive immigration proposals in decades. Included were provisions that would strip the courts of jurisdiction over illegal and abusive INS actions and erect enormous and virtually insurmountable barriers for most people seeking political asylum.

Kerry, Ashcroft, Santorum and many others voted for this
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Senate Vote on National ID Cards S. 1664

National ID Card - One of the most pervasive themes of the 104th Congress has been proposals to establish a national identification system as a means of tracking undocumented workers, so-called deadbeat dads and to monitor health insurance information. Various database schemes have been included in bills as diverse as immigration, welfare reform and health insurance. Since these proposals have been buried in much larger legislation, it was often difficult to determine the position of members of Congress

Kerry voted FOR this... Even Lieberman, Ashcroft, Lott and Santorum were against this
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Senate Vote on Wiretapping

Wiretapping - Although the interception of innocent conversations in federal law enforcement wiretaps is already at record levels, Congress has been repeatedly asked to give the FBI even greater authority to wiretap. Proposals have ranged from providing $500 million to the nation's phone companies to finance a retrofit of their systems to make it easier for the FBI to wiretap to permitting law enforcement agencies to use more "roving" wiretaps (without specifying which phone is to be tapped), and more "emergency" wiretaps (without obtaining a prior court order).

Kerry voted FOR Wiretapping along with his buddy Santorum
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How the Senate Voted on Counter-Terrorism S. 735

Counter-terrorism - The bombing of the Oklahoma City Federal Building lifted from obscurity a Clinton Administration proposal to increase the powers of law enforcement in the name of fighting terrorism. The measure gave the government the power to use secret evidence to deport immigrants it accuses of being "terrorists" and to exclude aliens merely because they are members of a disfavored foreign group.

Kerry voted FOR this with Ashcroft and Santorum...


Kerry's voting record on these issues is almost as bad as Santorum... Least Santorum voted against national ID cards w/ the likes of Lott and even Ashcroft...
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 12:39 AM
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1. What can we expect from a Skull & Bones cult member?
But a "compassionate" PNACer and PATRIOT Act supporter.
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sleipnir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 12:49 AM
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4. You speak the TRUTH IndianaGreen
It's so true, it's sickining...

I can't see how any one would support Kerry based on his record, but there are many...almost as many who support another unnamed Dem...

Kerry will never get my vote, ever.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 12:42 AM
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2. But Ed Gillespie says Kerry is a 'far-left-wing liberal'
it's tough being stuck in the middle of a polarized nation.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 12:46 AM
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3. To the GOP anyone to the left of Hitler is a liberal
but Kerry is the most vulnerable on gun rights based on his voting record.
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schultzee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 01:11 AM
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10. Democrats who support Gun control don't do well in the south and
its just a fact that southerners believe that everyone has a right to own guns, and people kill people and its not the gun's fault. If Kerry comes out big on gun control, he will lose southern mens votes. I actually know some who voted for Bu$h on that issue and I tried very hard to make them realize they were shooting themselves in the pocket book.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 01:18 AM
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12. Kerry was among those that after the Columbine massacre
said that it could have been prevented by making trigger locks mandatory.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 01:25 AM
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14. Even Marilyn Manson had a better response than that
Manson '04!! :D
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WhoCountsTheVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 01:22 PM
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16. I'm a northerner who believes everyone has a right to own guns
What do you know, the Constitution of the United States agrees with me.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 12:50 AM
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5. The purpose was more information
Less frivilous class action lawsuits. If companies were less worried about lawsuits, they would release more information to investors. People still have all the state rights to sue that they ever did.
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lcordero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 12:51 AM
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6. deleted
Edited on Sun Jan-25-04 12:52 AM by lcordero
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isbister Donating Member (902 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 01:03 AM
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7. Re: Kerry PRO War
Where's the PRO War one? I must be missing somthing... it doesn't appear to be listed.

And did you write these... nice job!
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AVID Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 01:06 AM
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8. KERRY in the Beltway in mind and spirit
Seems plain that Kerry has far too many Washington stings attached to Corp America to stand up for progressive ideas
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schultzee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 01:07 AM
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9. What about Edwards record on these issues? And General Clark
could not vote on these issues and niether could Governor Dean, so we really don't know what they would have done under the circumstances, especially after 9/11.

Liberman is a republican so I don't really think about him.
Considering Rove, Ashcroft, Chaney, and the puppet Bu$h, do you think Kerry could be worse? I do not.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 01:13 AM
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11. Oy Vey!
and I thought the IWR and the Patriot Act were horrid. I'm speechless.

Go Wes!
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 01:22 AM
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13. This election we may have to compromise
and support simply whomever finally wins the primaries.

It has occurred to me no matter what you think of them as individual candidates--Kucinich, Clark and Dean have brought to light fthe dsperate hunger for change among Democrats. Each of them have brought in new voters and voters so diaffected they have not voted in years. These candidates have inspired their followers. While each candidate is different their constiuencies have a common call for change. This change is not all directed at Bush. Yes they all want Bush out--but they want and expect more from our Party. These three in my opinion have made history. They have breathed new life and excitemnet into our party. Had these 3 not shown up year --how exciting would things have been? No matter if they win or not, I hope we and the Party do not return to the same old same old. But
will consider some serious restructuring amd Party Building .

Al Neuharth listed some statistics In USA Today on yesterdays ZOP Ed Page.
201.5 million Am. Citizins eliglbe to vote in Nov

55 Million are Registered Republicans

72 Million are Registered Democrats

42 Million are Independent(No Party, or Minor Paries)

Check the Democrat Number--Theoretically we should be the Major Party
and never have to worry about winning.

In conclusion, I get the feeling we will have an establishment candidate. We may hold our breath and vote. This is important

It is also important that we take a look at what the 3 "specialA" candidates and their troops are saying.
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sleipnir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 01:26 AM
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15. Others may compromise, but I refuse to...
I will stick by my honest Dem guns to the write-in bitter end. I refuse to support some of these so called Dems and I will not compromise anymore. Kerry is beyond the pale
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