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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 12:30 PM
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Paul Loeb: More Damning Than Downing Street
It’s bad enough that the Bush administration had so little international support for the Iraqi war that their “coalition of the willing” meant the U.S., Britain, and the equivalent of a child’s imaginary friends. It’s even worse that, as the Downing Street memo confirms, they had so little evidence of real threats that they knew from the start that they were going to have manufacture excuses to go to war. What’s more damning still is that they effectively began this war even before the congressional vote.


With Congressman John Conyers about to hold hearings, coverage of the Downing Street memo is finally beginning to leak into the media. In contrast, we’ve heard almost nothing about the degree to which this administration began actively fighting the Iraq war well in advance of the March 2003 official attack--before both the October 2002 US Congressional authorization and the November United Nations resolution requiring that Saddam Hussein open the country up to inspectors.


I follow Iraq pretty closely, but was taken aback when Charlie Clements, now head of the Unitarian Universalist Service Committee, described driving in a Baghdad neighborhood six months before the war “and a building would just explode, hit by a missile from 30,000 feet –‘What is that building?’” Clements would ask. “’Oh, that's a telephone exchange.’” Later, at a conference at Nevada’s Nellis Air Force Base, Clements heard a U.S. General boast “that he began taking out assets that could help in resisting an invasion at least six months before war was declared.”


Earlier this month, Jeremy Scahill wrote a powerful piece on The Nation’s website, describing a huge air assault in September 2002,


“Approximately 100 US and British planes flew from Kuwait into Iraqi airspace,” Scahill writes. “At least seven types of aircraft were part of this massive operation, including US F-15 Strike Eagles and Royal Air Force Tornado ground-attack planes. They dropped precision-guided munitions on Saddam Hussein's major western air-defense facility, clearing the path for Special Forces helicopters that lay in wait in Jordan. Earlier attacks had been carried out against Iraqi command and control centers, radar detection systems, Revolutionary Guard units, communication centers and mobile air-defense systems. The Pentagon's goal was clear: Destroy Iraq's ability to resist.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/theblog/archive/paul-loeb/more-damning-than-downing_2681.html

Someone needs to get this to Conyer's staff.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 12:34 PM
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1. "Approximately 100 US and British planes flew from Kuwait into Iraq"
Damn. Just damn.. That's not an isolated airstrike, that's a full-on attack. These fuckers started a war in secret, and they should hang for it.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 12:39 PM
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2. I mailed this to Conyers; I hope someone
there pays attention. Thanks! This is more fuel to add to that bonfire!
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 12:40 PM
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3. I agree
Glad you sent it to Conyers.
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 02:02 PM
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7. I mailed it to them too with an URGENT subject line
Hope someone sees it!
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 12:41 PM
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4. I heard on CNN this AM that there are 7 additional memos.
Is this info part of them? I only heard the statement that there are 7 memos in addition to the DSM, but didn't hear any description of what was in them.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 12:46 PM
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5. nice catch Tandalayo- the media will say nothing unless the DNC does a 48
hour scream about this. The MSM has gone into a we discover no bad news for Bush mode since 2000, and only pretends to "investigate"

Until the DNC screams, the media mantra will be "old news since someone somewhere no doubt did a story in the near or far past" - ignoring the fact that said story never made it into national discussion or even onto broadcast news.
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 12:52 PM
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6. bush, blair and their administrations are guilty of war crimes and...
crimes against humanity just as they have claimed the guilt of Sadam Hussein for the same.
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kittenpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 10:39 AM
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8. unfuckingbelievable
could this be a new low? God, poor Iraq.
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WePurrsevere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 12:59 PM
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9. How good are these sources?
I'm sorry but I'm not familiar with the Huffington Post or the other names.

Although this is probably enough to start an investigation when taken in context with the DSM, etc, I have a feeling that more witnesses and evidence then just this will be needed to really nail Bush, Blair and all others who were in on this.

One thing that really tweaks me is.. why didn't all of this stuff showing Bush Co for what they truly are come out BEFORE the last election.... Kerry might have won by a landslide if it had.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 01:23 PM
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10. Leo DiCaprio starring as Bush new version of CatchMeIfYouCan n/t
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WestMichRad Donating Member (92 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 09:51 PM
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11. Pentagon's goal: Destroy Iraq's ability to resist
As reported by Jeremy Scahill on Democracy Now! earlier in June -see
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/06/06/1328242
targeted bombing of Iraq began in 1998, apparently to provoke Iraq so as to justify further attacks against it.

"...After the passage of the Iraq Liberation Act in 1998, you saw an escalation in the so-called no-fly zones. The Clinton administration was using them to try to provoke Saddam Hussein's regime into attacking the United States to justify further attacks. And you remember there was the heavy bombing known as "Operation Desert Fox" in December of 1998. So the Clinton administration is not innocent here. It carried out illegal bombings against Iraq consistently throughout the presidency of Clinton.

"What we saw that sort of changed here under Bush is that the Bush administration dropped all of the rhetoric about the no-fly zones having something to do with defending Shiites or Kurds and actually were quite public about what they were using these no-fly zones for. They were using them to systematically and preemptively degrade Iraq's ability to defend itself, not from an uprising of Shiites or Kurds, but from the invasion of a foreign army."

If this is a true summary of what was happening, I find it very sad that the true actions of our government and military policy are so different that what our political leaders preach - that goes for all da bums from both major parties. Oh, what has our country become? For Shame!!

Peace.
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