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Idioteque Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 05:02 PM
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House agrees to the Sanders amendment!!
Edited on Wed Jun-15-05 05:12 PM by Idioteque
Amendment offered by Mr. Sanders.

An amendment numbered 15 printed in the Congressional Record to prohibit funds in the bill from being used to implement provisions of Section 215 of the USA PATRIOT Act which permits searches of library circulation records, library patron lists, book sales records, or book customer lists under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA).


As soon as the results come up, you can see how each Congresscritter voted here.

Edit: The results are up! Only 1 Democrat voted against the amendment. 38 Republicans decided to stand up for freedom!

This amendment failed last year, with many Democrats voting against it at that time. It's nice to see the caucus finally standing together.

One of the Republicans that fought against the amendment warned that Bush might veto the whole appropriations bill over this provision.
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oldtime dfl_er Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 05:03 PM
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1. that ROCKS!
I did actually hear a Repuke from TX of all places speaking in favor of the amendment. Shocked the heck out of me.

http://www.cafepress.com/scarebaby/665903
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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 05:04 PM
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2. Republican from Texas...
...that was probably Ron Paul. He's not a big fan of the neo-cons.
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oldtime dfl_er Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 05:07 PM
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5. yes, it was Ron Paul
I was unfamiliar with him until today.

http://www.cafepress.com/scarebaby/665903
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Nite Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 05:04 PM
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Ron Paul by any chance?
He's a libertarian even though he has an R after his name.

Can't wait for Sanders to hit the Senate!
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Idioteque Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 05:04 PM
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3. Well it was Ron Paul
He may be batshit crazy but when it comes to standing up against the war and the U.S.A. P.A.T.R.I.O.T. act, nobody does it better.
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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 05:05 PM
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4. the "loony" right is just as opposed to this stuff as us.
The "black helicopter" crowd.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 05:07 PM
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6. Turns out, they aren't that wrong about things.
Are they? Just a wee bit premature.
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Idioteque Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 05:18 PM
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7. AP article on the amendment
House Votes to Limit Patriot Act Rules

By ANDREW TAYLOR
Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The House voted Wednesday to block the FBI and the Justice Department from using the Patriot Act to search library and book store records.

Despite a veto threat from President Bush, lawmakers voted 238-187 to block the part of the anti-terrorism law that allows the government to investigate the reading habits of terror suspects.


Read the whole article here.
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 05:21 PM
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9. and from David Sirota on this, this morning...
VOTE ALERT: Sanders Privacy Bill Draws Veto Threat

http://www.workingforchange.com/blog/index.cfm?mode=entry&entry=80A75511-DC28-E526-AB5C8A04F3E64715

VOTE ALERT: Sanders Privacy Bill Draws Veto Threat

In a preview of the kind of gutsy moves he will take as a U.S. Senator, Vermont's Independent Congressman Bernie Sanders is preparing to offer an amendment today forcing the FBI to get a warrant before accessing citizens' reading habits at libraries and bookstore purchases. The USA Patriot Act allows the feds to do these kinds of searches with almost no judicial oversight - Sanders amendment would simply modify that specific provision to force more stringent checks on the federal government's power. Unfortunately, even though the President publicly says "there has got to be a certain sense of privacy," the White House is threatening to veto the bill if the amendment passes.

In 2003, Sanders and a bipartisan group of lawmakers tried to raise these same privacy concerns. The Justice Department opposed it, claimed "We're not going after the average American" and that "we respect the right to privacy" - and then refused to tell Congress how often it had used these new powers to secretly spy on people's reading habits. In fact, Judiciary Chairman Rep. James Sensenbrenner (R-WI) told the Associated Press "that the Justice Department was sharing so little information, he could not assess how the Patriot Act was working."

The numbers, however, have become clear. In a survey conducted by researchers at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, about 550 libraries across the country reported receiving requests over the past year from federal and local investigators for records of patrons. Then-Attorney General John Ashcroft soon admitted that he had tripled the use of these secretive searches without warrants.

The last time this was voted on, the House GOP leadership held open the vote in the House for 23 minutes while arm-twisting their members to vote against it. The measure lost on a 210-210 tie, meaning this upcoming vote should be very close again, especially considering some of the Democrats who didn't vote for it last time have since been embarrassed into changing their position.

Let's be clear - no one is saying the FBI shouldn't be able to search through library/bookstore purchase records when investigating terrorists. All this measure says is that they should have to get a traditional warrant from a judge to do so - not that hard to do if the feds are investigating the kinds of awful and dangerous terrorists they promise us they are.

This requirement, which the Patriot Act runs roughshod over, is what makes our system different from a third-world police state: we have checks on police power. Getting a real warrant is a pretty basic requirement in a democratic society - and not too much to ask in protecting Americans' civil liberties. Urge your Member of Congress to support this amendment.


Sources:
Sanders bill draws White House veto threat:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/14/AR2005061401211.html
Bush says there needs to be "a certain sense of privacy":
http://www.davidsirota.com/2005/05/claim-vs-fact-bush-on-internet-privacy.html
Sensenbrenner says Congress given so little info:
http://bernie.house.gov/documents/articles/20030421102754.asp
550 libraries report federal requests:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&contentId=A1481-2003Apr9
Ashcroft triples use of secret searches:
http://talkleft.com/new_archives/001978.html
Sanders' bill previously lost on a 210-210 tie:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A37480-2004Jul8.html
Democrats who voted against Sanders have been embarrassed:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2001979070_adamsmith14m.html


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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 05:20 PM
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8. Dan Boren (D-OK 2nd) It figures.
:eyes:
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 05:32 PM
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10. This amendment failed last year....more
This was the famous "arm twisting" resolution, when after regulation voting time expired and the rethugs were down by 10 votes, DeLay kept the voting open for three hours and "persuaded >20 rethugs to change their votes.
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