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Jackson4Gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 08:34 PM
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Good God: Schiavo's family now calls autopsy a lie
Why don't they just shut up and go away? The science spoke once and now it has done so again, yet they are saying it is wrong. Just like Bill Frist they think they KNOW more than scienctific fact.

JUST GO AWAY and let your sister REST IN PEACE!!
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RalphReedsWreckedEm Donating Member (142 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 08:36 PM
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1. The Schindlers are Human Garbage
These are disgraceful media whore people. I despise them. I consider them to be wastes of humanity. I am sorry that they even exist. I am certain that God considers them to be wastes of his creation.
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 08:45 PM
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6. I wouldn't go that far.
I think they've just been consumed by grief, and its eaten at their souls. I'm a rotten bastard already. If I lost a child, I'd be a fucking supervillain.
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Old_Fart Donating Member (805 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 08:50 PM
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10. They will be in grief for a number of years
It hurts to lose a loved one. It will take years before they realize that she had no way of living in her condition.
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RalphReedsWreckedEm Donating Member (142 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 09:02 PM
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17. Uhhhh...that was 1990....Hello?
Look, I, like all people am sympathetic to the sad situation their daughter endured. But MORE lawsuits? When does it end? They are dishonoring their own child! I could not imagine doing that to my sons! They are taking away whatever dignity the right wing has left for her.

But I should not expect anything less from the GOP. They are the party of slime - and their influence in this case is bleeding into our party, sad as it may be.
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Old_Fart Donating Member (805 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 11:08 PM
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27. A parent has false hope sometimes
Take if from me I know and I saw parents that were being used by the right wingers. They were placing false hope into their heads and that should be a crime. The human garbage is Fox and the other outlets that had so called experts on saying that she had a chance to recover and come back. The Bush brothers and all the re-pugs are the human garbage not the parents.

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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 11:18 PM
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32. What got me
is when they signed on Randall Terry and those freaks and when they sold their mailing list to rightwing "pro-life" groups and they were selling MERCHIDSE of her. For a $100 you could've gotten that video they showed on the news!!!! Then I read the mother would've denied her daughters wishes even if she had a will!
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 08:29 AM
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47. They are looking to make $$$
Terri = Bank to them
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 09:00 AM
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48. This whole thing from the get go was about money
After Michael got the settlement back in the early 90's on behalf of his wife, the Schindlers wanted a cut. Michael, who stated, it's Terri's money and it will be spent on Terri's care. The Schindlers didn't like that, and it was then all the bullshit began.
Michael loved his wife and wanted to make sure she was taken care of. The parents, are nothing more than opportunistic white trash.
They continue this bizarre self righteous crusade as a money making scheme. I bet you they are negotiating some sort of TV/cable movie deal.
I have never trusted these people.
Now that the facts come out that their daughter basically died years ago and was a vegetable with a walnut sized brain, that could never be brought back to reality, they have to go to plan "B". Call everyone liars.
They were banking on even the slimmest of evidence to prove that their daughter still had even the most basic lizard brain function, because then they could open a gap and run with it. With this autopsy information, their cause celebrity is now dead.
Be prepared, to have this story drag on for a few more weeks until it starts to slowly fade away. Remember, even the right wing religious nut jobs get tired of issues and stories that don't serve their evil purposes.
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Jackson4Gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 08:36 PM
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2. OMG!!!!!!!!!!!
They are now calling for an investigation and Hannity is suggesting that her husband choked or suffocated her. Why doesn't he just sue them from slander?
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Old_Fart Donating Member (805 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 11:11 PM
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28. She choked from bulimia
Hannity is human garbage!
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 11:19 PM
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33. I would if that was me
I'd sue all of their asses! How can they do an investigation if her body is ashes???
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Old_Fart Donating Member (805 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 11:32 PM
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37. Leave it up to the right wingers
They will pick an ash up and call it a human being :smoke:
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 03:35 AM
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41. Really? You mean Hannity doesn't want to talk about... something else?
Like, say, the DSM?

Why- shocking, just shocking!
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 05:43 AM
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43. Hannity talked about it yesterday.
And he said that there are a lot of unanswered questions.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 03:48 PM
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52. Well how you can stomach listening to that self-righteous hair helmet
at all is beyond me.
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jeff30997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 08:36 PM
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3. I bet they just want to sue for a bundle that's all.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 08:39 PM
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4. Rather like O'Neill when Kerry signed the 180
Not good enough.

Neither O'Neill nor the Schindlers are dealing with reality. Why did we think the facts would deter them.

Denial. Apparently it's a Right Wing hobby.
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Moxygirl Donating Member (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 08:44 PM
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5. Human garbage sums it up quite nicely. nt
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 08:48 PM
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9. I would not judge grieving (albeit delusional) parents so harshly
They are being propped up by some of the sickest souls in the (anti-Christ) Religious Right.

They have their own demons to deal with ... but their TALK into their ear instead of whispering in their minds.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 11:21 PM
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35. Then why didn't they
tell them to "fuck off" in the first place? These parents have been doing this for FIFTEEN YEARS and have seen numerous doctors and specialists that are great. They're sick people. And they sell MERCHANDISE OF HER!!! She's not a singer or anything like that. She's hospitalized and dead! Let her rest in peace and move on! I don't blame them if they are greving but it's been FIFTEEN YEARS!
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Old_Fart Donating Member (805 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 08:54 PM
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11. Human garbage?
How heartless can you be? She was a human being that had no way of making it. She should have never been hooked up to machines in the first place.

Bush is human garbage not a woman that was in a vegetative state. I take offensive at your choice in words.
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dansolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 09:22 PM
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21. The poster was talking about the parents, not Terry
The parents truly are garbage. I'm not willing to cut them any slack because they are being encouraged by the radical Fundies. They started harrassing Michael long before it became the recent circus. I think they are blinded by the attention, not grief. It had stopped being about Terry for them a long time ago.
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Old_Fart Donating Member (805 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 11:02 PM
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26. They were being used by the right wingers
Last year someone close to me was taken off of life support and I requested them to do it. It's a very hard decision to make but by no means are they human garbage. I feel sorry for the parents because they were used and abused by Jeb and his minions. The mother will always feel close to her daughter no matter what part of the political side they are on.

Politics never should have entered into the fight for her life. She should have been taken off of life support years ago. The parents were living in a land of hopeless hope. They were blinded by the "right".

At first we fought to keep our loved one hooked up to machines and after a couple of years you realize that the hope is gone and the body needs to be buried.

Its a very touchy subject with me and I am still in pain over missing my loved one. When I fought for life support I was in another state of mind but I am not garbage nor was Terry's parents.

The media and the right wingers, they are the garbage.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 11:23 PM
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36. Every one of them are garbage
The parents, the parents socalled spiritual advisors, the rightwingers, etc. :mad: If the parents truly cared about their daughter they would've kept this a PRIVATE matter and not get rightwing assholes involved. They also wouldn't have sold MERCHANDISE of her. :mad:
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 07:14 AM
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45. "Hannity is human garbage!"
It was you own post I think she meant to reply to.

RL
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maxrandb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 07:29 AM
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46. There is a Special Place in Hell for Sean Hannity
Happened to catch him yesterday. Thought for sure he would be back-peddling and maybe even apologize for what he's done to Michael Schiavo.

FAT CHANCE!!! What I don't understand is how people can take him seriously!!! :wtf:

If the right wing spin was that the "sky was green", even getting smacked in the face for 365 days a year with the facts, would not stop Hannity from declaring that the "sky was, indeed, GREEN".

What an "ass-pickle". That's my way of calling people a "turd".

He had...OF ALL PEOPLE...Mark Furman on yesterday. Mark Furman has a book about the Schiavo case coming out in 10 days.

Anyone care to guess what "that" book is going to insinuate??

Michael Schiavo could do the entire country a favor by suing the likes of Sean Hannity and Mark Furman.

Hell, I'd even send money to his legal fund.

They only way to stop a worm like Hannity, is to "squish" him.
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Old_Fart Donating Member (805 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 11:40 AM
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50. Is there anything worse than human garbage?
Edited on Thu Jun-16-05 11:43 AM by Old_Fart
Hannity, O'Reilly, Rush, Matthews,*, all the Bush family, every repug in DC, etc. would all fall into the below human garbage category.

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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 08:46 PM
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7. Although my feelings are tempered by their loss of a child ......
Edited on Wed Jun-15-05 09:07 PM by Botany
...... I can not help the feeling that their daughter's plight and
death is their meal ticket and they will not or can not face reality.

Look for them to be speaking @ a fundie church near you ..... $3,500.00
fee + expenses.
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 08:48 PM
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8. It's the damn activist coroners!
Okay I stole that line from another Du'er somewhere today.

There is no there there is there?
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 09:01 PM
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15. Yeah, there should be faith-based coroners. I am so sick and
tired of the Schindlers. They should pay Pinellas County back for all they have cost us.
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wallwriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 10:05 PM
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25. Why have a coroner at all?
Dead people are either saved or damned. Everything else is just a detail.
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BlueStateGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 08:55 PM
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12. Does anyone want to wager they have big ol' press conference Tomorrow?
I understand they are grieving and are in real pain, but they should let Terri rest in peace.

How many doctors, coroners, examinations and autopsies will it take?

AS if the coroners office is complicit in some huge conspiracy to protect Michael Schiavo.

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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 08:59 PM
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13. These folks are beyond belief. However, I am sure they will find
plenty of fundie nutballs to buy into their delusions.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 09:01 PM
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14. Jackson, we have a problem. Some people don't know the
difference between science and faith.
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AAARRRGGGHHH Donating Member (265 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 09:06 PM
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19. That's the whole point ...
If you believe in God, you don't have to (or should I say CAN'T) believe in Science.

I have it on very good authority that God was going to come down from heaven and miraculously cure her in 3 weeks. He woulda been there sooner, but W was talking his ear off when God told him to run for president. :silly:
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eaprez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 09:02 PM
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16. Hardball.....
...devoted night after night after night to this story during the 'death watch' letting all the right wing nuts blab endlessly about this...and not a mention tonight. How interesting.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 09:05 PM
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18. As my DH likes to say: What a bunch of Knuckleheads!
:crazy:
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Rude Horner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 09:20 PM
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20. Is this what "backpeddling" sounds like?
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/16/politics/16react.html

Simply amazing to hear these right wing idiots now trying to explain their actions in the Shiavo case.

***
Senator Mel Martinez, the Florida Republican who pressed the case most, said he has since had second thoughts about Congress's involvement.

"I really probably come to the view this has to be more resolved at the state level, seems like the kind of issue the state courts deal with," Mr. Martinez said
***
With the autopsy concluding that no treatment could have improved her condition and that she was unaware of her surroundings when her feeding tube was removed, lawmakers backed away from their earlier comments and said they had simply wanted to give her family proper access to the courts.
***

Proper access to the courts?!! How much access do they need?! HOW MANY TIMES was this damn case dragged through the courts and decided on - again and again?!

"Proper access to courts", my ass.

:nopity: :banghead:
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alcuno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 09:23 PM
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22. Welcome to DU.
Sounds like lawmakers are busy rewriting history.
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Rude Horner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 09:35 PM
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23. Thanks for the welcome.
I love it here. I only hope someday I post enough to start my own thread. I'm working on it.

:hi:
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 09:35 PM
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24. Hi, Rude.
Edited on Wed Jun-15-05 09:36 PM by cliss
Welcome to the DU:smoke: :toast:

And I agree with you: how many times was this case dragged through the courts, costing the taxpayers?
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Rude Horner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 08:52 PM
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53. Thanks to you too, for the welcome.
I appreciate it! :toast:
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 11:12 PM
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29. What the hell is wrong with those people?
I think the report today said that, in the process of trying to prove she WAS abused by her husband, they did something like 22 Chest X-Rays, among other things.:crazy:
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 11:15 PM
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30. Off-topic, but Jackson
Nice picture of you on the right side. I like the way you're wearing your hair in that picture.
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Jackson4Gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 11:20 PM
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34. LOL! Thanks!
Thanks, I actually had just run about half a mile to catch up with Ford and was out of breath and the hair was just wind blown badly, but I just let it go. I didn't know how it would look, but it turned out okay.

I appreciate it!
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 03:32 AM
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40. I used to have that haircut, once.
Back in the prehistoric days-- before I became a longhaired hippie.

So watch out, kid. You don't know where that kind of thing can lead.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 11:16 PM
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31. I know how you feel
It's so disgusting isn't it?
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Bigmack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 12:07 AM
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38. If all science is a lie....
why do the fundies go running to a doctor when they get sick, instead of having Rev. Billybob lay hands on them?

Repubs and fundies believe the damnedest things:
The autopsy is a lie.
Evolution is a lie.
Global Warming is a lie.
Peak Oil is a lie.
Gays choose the "lifestyle".

But Bush is telling the truth.

Yeah.
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peaches2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 11:51 AM
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51. Or a tape!
Why not send Senator 'Dr.' Frist a videotape of your body. He'll be glad to diagnose from that.

BTW, has he said a word about the autopsy? He's the one who gave a professional opinion looking at the tape of Terri that he thought she could recover.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 03:29 AM
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39. It's a lie... just like Dinosaurs, Global Warming, and Evolution.
Feh.
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 04:10 AM
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42. They are sick twisted fucks as evidenced by their actions
They are hyper religious freaks the kind that make you physically ill to be around.

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Maine-ah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 05:43 AM
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44. last night on cnn they were saying that paramedics worked on
Terri for an hour after her heart stopped. WTF! Most everyone knows going w/o oxygen to your brain after a few minutes will cause a certain amount of brain damage. That is exactly what they did to my father ten years ago. He was with out oxygen for over 20 minutes, put him on L/S. We pulled the plug knowing that even if he came back, he would be nothing but a veg, and he had voice his opinion on that many times, stating that he never wanted to live like that.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 09:03 AM
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49. Now that the facts from the autopsy came out...those who ran to FL...
to "save Terri", are scampering back under rocks. There was a segment on the vociferous bunch of neo-cons and thankfully, the tapes showed how incredibly foolish they were in this situation.

Terri was one of thousands across the nation facing this situation. I do not see "Dr." Frist making video diagnosis' on any others. Where is Tom DeLay, now that it has been shown that this woman had a brain that had atrophied to the size of a grapefruit, she had no cognitive powers left, and she was blind to boot. The 5 and 6 year old tapes we saw endlessly were NOTHING about the reality of the situation.

Terri's family is in deep denial, and that fosters the hatred they feel. I empathize with the family, who could bear to lose a child w/o the burden of severe sorrow?

But there are no grounds for a law suit...who will they sue? The laws of Fl were adhered to, Michael Schiavo was exonerated from any hint of abuse...what is left?...sue someone because of the media circus that surrounded the situation.

I fear that Terri's parents will be filled with hate, and never resolve the issue...they will search for a 'culprit', and never understand that if Terri would have 'lived another 10 years', her brain would have atrophied even further, and she would be in a constant state of misery. The '10 years' Terri MIGHT have lived, would have seemed like a thousand years to her...:(

May she finally, Rest In Peace.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 09:23 PM
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54. Oh, but they're good people. You have no idea what they are going thru.
You would do the same if you were in their shoes.

3-2-1

I'm sure we'll all be hearing this from the usual DU'r apologists.

They ARE pure human garbage. They have no souls.
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