If the war had gone better for US, they would have gotten away with it

[Justice]

The only reason we are standing here, on the eve of the first hearing on the DSM is that the war is going badly. Very badly. More than 1700 Americans dead, scores more wounded, maimed. Thousand of Iraquis dead, home destroyed.

To say DSM is old news, is to say that so long as the war was going better, or that the Iraq election was still ahead of us, is to say that it didn't matter that they lied, or sexed up the evidence.

How very very sad that the media did not listen. That so many Americans did not listen.

edit to capitalize us in subject line.

[Democrats_win]

1. It could be the other way around. Look at Bush 1. It was a huge success

and he was dumped.

[Justice]

2. yeah, but wasn't it a bit more complicated - the economy, the

independent candidate stealing votes away from Bush.

[geckosfeet]

3. Bull crap. Not like anyone mentioned Viet Nam before it started.

What realistically, were the chances that a whole country would lay down and greet an invading army like long lost brothers? How arrogantly delusional. One only has to go back and listen to MP Galloways scathing remarks,, "I was right,, you were wrong" to realize what happened.

This was doomed to descend into a guerrilla insurgency from the start. Only the arrogant retarded son of a rich arrogant bastard could dream up such a conquest to waste our resources on.

Our military leaders have said that without political action (permission to kill or imprison every Iraqi and barricade the borders) that this could go on for a while.

The DSM is an issue separate from the complete foreign policy failures of this administration. The DSM is about lying to the American people, congress and the world. Its about abuse of power.

[Lexingtonian]

4. just how?

The same vanity and foolishness that led to the affair is now leading to its demise. It's all far more consistent than anyone could have expected.

Look at it this the other, nonmoralizing, way- the American People has been exceedingly generous about Iraq, for whatever reason. The Bush people have been given every possible goodwill and chance and resource to get it right, even a bunch of lives, and all the advice how to do so. They've wasted it all and have no excuses.

When it's all used up there's nothing left to give them. Not even goodwill.

You're right, many of us knew better. This is the other way it could go, and by 70 to 30 the country chose this other- the expenditure of blood and treasure and years of life of millions of people that could possibly have been spent on better.

[SnoopDog]

5. There are so many who know this Iraqi Invasion is an atrocity...

I could only hope we, as DU and many other groups, would still fight this battle as it is murder and a crime against humanity.

[democrat in Tallahassee]

6. Yes, they thought the war would be over in a few weeks and that

no one would ever questions great leader's wisdom

[applegrove]

7. That was the plan. Now they can't say it was a success because

their reasoning for war and "implementation" have been proved to be wrong and utopian and delusional.

[Eloriel]

8. Just like they've gotten away with stealing elections because there

was no FIGHT on the other side.

Something that works very much in our favor is that people are less and less in FAVOR of the war, feel less and less that it was worth it. That helps immensely. And happily, there's nothing that the Bush people can pull outta the hat to change opinions on that. Another terror attck IMO would make them look incompetent and asleep at the wheel, and the absence of another terror attack only works for the diehards.

They could of course pull all the troops home, but that's highly unlikely, I think. (Never can tell with folks as politically motivated as this group.)