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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 05:13 AM
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"If Democrats do not commit to being a national party..."
"... competitive everywhere in this country, we do not only our party but our country a disservice. Because even if we elect a president on a 16- or 17-state strategy, we skip two-thirds of this country, and I'm not sure we truly set the agenda."

"My starting premise is that I really think we need to change the framing of the political debate, from right vs. left, conservative vs. liberal, to future vs. past. The Democratic Party at its best has always been when it has been about the future...Democrats have to be a party that recognizes that, in a global economy, the way America is going to maintain its position in the world is by having the best educated workforce... Democrats ought to be the party that represents innovation, investment in research."

I'm starting to like Mark Warner more and more...

http://www.salon.com/news/lotp/2005/06/13/virginia_governor/index_np.html

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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 05:26 AM
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1. I'll settle for a 40 state strategy
But some states, like Alabama, Mississippi and Utah, will have to be written off.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 05:27 AM
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2. Sure, he looks nice
A little too conservative for me though.

I listen to him yesterday during the hearings and this insistance on tax cuts drove me crazy.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 05:42 AM
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3. I used to like Warner, but I really am TIRED, with a capital "T"
of Bilderbergers.

Just exhausted of them.

I'm tired of the richest playing God with the poorest. It unnerves me.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 08:32 AM
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8. Is Warner a supporter of Dean is he more like a Clinton/Lieberman?
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 04:23 PM
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16. Warner is more like Dean, who is more like Clinton/Lieberman
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 06:49 AM
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4. Educated workforces cost money
Good luck with that.

Julie
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The2ndWheel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 07:26 AM
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5. America maintaining its position?
By educating the workforce? Why would that keep jobs here again?

If that was true, he'd have a point.

Future vs. past. Yes, the age old battle. Let me guess, it'll be optimistic. That great can-do American attitude. Fighting poverty and homelessness. Can't have any children go hungry. Health is a right.

Then none of that will happen(for whatever reason), and then we'll have another election a few years later where we're told the same thing?

Is that basically the script? Well, we'll always have 1000 different style of shoe to choose from. So we got that going for us, which is nice.
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jim3775 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 08:10 AM
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6. Isn't "national party" just a code word...
for the strategy of running anti-abortion candidates in the south?
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 08:29 AM
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7. The DLC(R) is running scared.
They're worried that the progressives are going to stop pandering to the south.
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 09:14 AM
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9. No, the DLC is worried that a progressive resurrection within the Dem
Party will drive them to extinction.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 02:52 PM
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10. just how do you gather that notion from this article?
Further, just how have you reached that conclusion at all?

More of the "proooogreeeeesssiiiive magic 8-ball?"
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 02:54 PM
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11. But you don't like Howard Dean who said the same thing and
may have said it before Warner. Dean was talking that way since at least Jan this year.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 02:59 PM
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13. Why yes, yes he has
And Dean's first moves after getting the chairmanship of the DNC were to hold rallies in Mississippi, and Arkansas, and a bunch of other "red" states. It's just so depressing at election time to watch that big red stripe run down the center of the map from North Dakota to Texas. There are great inroads to be made in many of those states.

If the DLC is finally catching on to a national strategy, so much the better.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 04:22 PM
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15. excuse me?
Show me where I've said I don't like Howard Dean.

It's his obsessive supporters I have a problem with.
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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 02:54 PM
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12. "I'm starting to like Mark Warner more and more..."
Thanks for the warning.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 04:20 PM
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14. you're welcome
:)
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 07:41 PM
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17. Yes, USA needs to educate its citizens so they can tell a globalization
supply side car salesman from a politician concerned for their welfare.
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