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DemocracyInaction Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 06:13 PM
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Why Are We, "the Base", Treated as Scum?? (Been abused enough)...
Can't say what's in my heart in a couple snappy sentences--you'll have to read. I think if you read you will find that I speak to the soul of a hell of a lot of you.

How do the Republicans treat their "base"??: They worship the ground they walk on. They serve them on bended knee. There is no piece of legistlation vile enough to bring to the floor of the Congress to please the "base". The doors to their offices have a sign that reads "Come unto me...I will do whatever you desire". They wine, dine, and romance "their base". They love their base.

How do the Democrats treat their base (let's be honest)??: They don't exactly run after us---they run FROM us. If one of the Dem politicans dare spew forth "base-speak", the rest run to the media and foul mouth the person, distance themselves from them, and stress that we are seeking "the middle voter". My heart has died the number of times I've seen our Dem politicians or talking heads confronted with some totally mild liberal question where they instantly take the back of their hand to us, and smirklingly dismiss us as they declare they are courting the "middle". (as Christ said to Peter: before the cock crows twice you will deny me thrice--or approximately without looking it up).

I feel like the bi-racial, bastard child of the head of the KKK (you know--hope I never suface and if I do that I look "white" enough to pass the smell test)!!! But something very much more makes me speak to you tonight.............

You see, I go back to the 60's and fought for civil rights, women's rights, abortion rights, etc. That was my life..and I'm goddamn proud of it...except for one chapter. I was for 25 years ungodly psychologically abused by a "corporate" executive type husband. I was finally strong enough to leave after 25 years and had to sign away my rights to his entire fortune to escape. It's the most brave and self-energizing thing I ever did...and I don't regret one fucking dollar of it. And then I said to myself, "why the fuck am I taking this exact same abuse from MY party??" I fought their fights. Why are they now treating me as someone who is dog shit on the bottom of their shoes???? My suggestion to this party is: stop treating us like abused spouses/children---we deserve better. We just plain don't deserve this treatmetment. If you persist, then go try to woo the 5% republicans who MIGHT vote for you and don't keep expecting that we automatically will. Even the abused fianally square their soulders, stand tall and walk away.

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RalphReedsWreckedEm Donating Member (142 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 06:16 PM
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1. Now you know why we are in the minority
We are the majority of the country, but our "leaders" have sold us out so they can appear on Fox News and seem like they are "patriotic." They've allowed right-wing radio fascists to define who we are and they have done nothing to fight it.

We need new blood. In the worst possible way.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 06:23 PM
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2. when was the last time you rounded up 20 friends to donate
Edited on Thu Jun-16-05 06:24 PM by librechik
200,000 to the party like a Bush Pioneer?? Never?

That might have something to do with the current Dem party's attitude toward us. We only have a nickel or a dime.

That's why we love Dean's internet strategy. We outnumber them, so a nickel and a dime ADDS UP!!!

They might learn to respect us in time, cuz of that.
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bling bling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 06:26 PM
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20. "Representation" is for sale. The more you pay the more you get.
Reminds me of the Catholic church before it broke into sects when the more money you gave to the priests, the better chance you had of getting into heaven.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 06:28 PM
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3. You should sign it, and mail it to the DNC...
...with copies to EVERY Democratic Represenative and Senator.
Also make it an OPEN letter and mail it to as many media outlets as possible.

You EXACTLY mirror my views and frustrations.
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DemocracyInaction Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 06:40 PM
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6. bvar--thank you because it's exactly what I intend to do
..and that's why I wrote it. I think the Dem base is very laden with women and I'm sick and fucking tired of being treated all these years as scum. I'm not. You are not. We matter. They need to kiss my ass like the Repukes kiss the ass of the lunatics because I'm better than the lunatics, more of an American, more of a person who knows what freedom, democracy and human diginity are and these Dem politicians owe it to me and the rest of THIS BASE.. STAND UP, BASE, AND TELL THEM WE EXPECT THEM TO KISS OUR FUCKING ASSES AS MUCH AS THE REPUKE BASE KISSES THEIR LUNATIC BASE ASSES!!!---I'm better than those people and I expect better.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 06:28 PM
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4. Nominating
and kicking
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hvn_nbr_2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 06:32 PM
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5. That feeling is why Dean's "Democratic wing" remark resonated so much
with so many. Back when he said "I represent the Democratic wing of the Democratic party."
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 06:49 PM
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7. who's the base?
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seaglass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 07:36 PM
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10. Yeah, I'm kind of interested in who is the base and why
people arbitrarily claim not only to be the base but assume they know what the base wants.

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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 07:39 PM
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11. The Americans who work for a living,
The Americans who don't make over a MILLION Dollars per year,

The Americans who aren't CEO's and upper management execs with big perks and benefits,

The Americans who struggle to put their children through school,

The Americans who worked their whole lives to see Enrons and such steal their pensions , and then go laughing to the bank with their bonuses,

The Americans who are working 2 or more jobs for minimum wage, or are one more outsourcing away from unemployment,

The Americans who DON'T BENEFIT from outsourcing our jobs and industry,

The Americans who aren't represented by the Corporatists Lobby and laughing Congressmen,

The Americans who can't buy Congressmen and Senators,

You know, that Democratic Party BASE!
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 07:45 PM
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12. just curious... how did you arrive at this definition?
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 08:15 PM
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14. My Daddy, a Labor Union Democrat told me.
The RICH are already well represented by the Republican Party.

If you Work for a Living, you belong in the Democratic Party.

He was right!
He was a Franklin Roosevelt Democrat. Mr Roosevelt's economic Policies sparked and sustained the GREATEST ECONOMIC EXPANSION the World has ever seen. FDR (with help from his Republican brother Teddy) IS responsible for the emerging Middle Class in America. The continued whittling away of the traditional Democratic PRO-LABOR policies is responsible for the decline of the Middle Class we are currently experiencing.

The RICH Corporatists (the OWNERS) HATED FDR, still do. Back then they were easily identifiable as Republicans. That's why they have bought their way into the Democratic Party, and the Republicans in Donkey suits are helping to dismantle the traditional PRO-LABOR Democratic Policies.
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 06:23 PM
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19. interesting that you should ask.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 06:52 PM
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8. We are all "Crap" to be "manipulated" by the "Powers that Be...but we
really ARE..the "Peasant's with Pitchforks."

So, we take heart that..in the end ...THE VOICE OF THE PEOPLE will PREVAIL..even if it's only for a little time...in "bits and bytes" of History's TiMELINE. But...we always DO PREVAIL...:shrug:
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 06:57 PM
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9. True except when it comes time to ask for donations & volunteers.
n/t
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Donna Zen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 07:48 PM
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13. Ding..ding...ding!
We've got a winner.

BTW, Wes wrote a blog today...hmmmm? me thinks he heard about the ruckus on the net. It was a very nice letter to the base, a group who he says are the true patriots. People who give of themselves in the political arena.

I may hate the fact that he will be on fox...I do... but he, like Dean has stayed in touch with the people in this country who do the heavy lifting.
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Hidden Stillness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 02:56 PM
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15. Only the Silenced Are Angry--The Rest Are Angling For Careers
I think what we are witnessing lately is the coming together of at least two situations that had existed for many years now, but now the consequences of things are really starting to unfold. The takeover of the formerly populist Democratic Party and its middle-class base by the rich-corporate DLC with its corporate donors and deregulation, plus the almost all-male hierarchy/leadership of the Party, which seldom listened to us ever, has now begun to meld together and become an organized force and influence, leading to some really frightening effects. None of the real influence is being controlled by us, though, which proves yet again that some of your most threatening enemies are let into the house by your friends.

Who would ever have thought up the idea that you should seek votes from anything other than your own membership--isn't that common sense to these people anymore? All those years and years of "I'm not really a liberal," "I like Republicans," "we need to stop relying on government," "smaller government," all social welfare programs shifted from giving aid to poor people to giving "aid" to corporations, giving pretty speeches about the fears of workers, then giving more tax cuts to corporations, on and on--the entire "corporate government" that we are cursed with now was actually brought one step closer to acceptability by the sloganeering of Clinton. Combine that with this non-stop drumbeat that we should be "bi-partisan," meaning only that we should capitulate to them as if our separate perspective on issues equalled "not-niceness"--everything about our fight undercut not only by the corporate-media enemy, but by "Democrats" like the DLC, leaving us nowhere to go, and not only under attack from all sides, but now unrepresented. How much of the current horror never would have had a chance to start, if Clinton, etc., hadn't given this group a cleared path first? All the while, criticizing us "constituents" for breaking up the party, as if we are a nuisance, and the Party only exists now in corporate-lobbyist D.C.

The same males who never fought for any of our issues--from equal pay to real laws against rape and battering--now give us "I don't know anybody who is for abortion" and all the rest. If you go over the numbers, you will realize that if Kerry had not listened to "prick" males like Al From and Joe Biden, to kill all women's issues and only play to the "male soldier" vote, which then cost Kerry the percentage of women's votes that Al Gore got, and if Kerry instead had just run a normal campaign not so hyped on steroids, that Kerry would have won (yes, I know that Kerry did win--but this would not have been fixable for Repubs just by fucking up Ohio, etc.). There has always been a strong element of male hate against us in this Party as everywhere else (how many "kill the white bitch" threads are we going to get here on this website, COMPLAINING about raped, murdered white women GETTING ATTENTION by being EXPLOITED BY THE MALE MEDIA, while every rich male gets away with everything). At the very least, the point should be made, over and over, that this tactic of shutting women out cost us the Prseidency, and they are responsible.

Now this treasonous bastard Republican Party is denying and destroying democracy on a scale that most people never would've believed they would actually do, and some of the most pointed attacks on those who would fight against it--"extremist liberal," "traitor," "you hate America," "you don't even try to get along with Republicans," "obstructionist," etc.--were lines supplied to these people free of charge, by the DLC. Even the outrageous idea that the most ordinary, middle-of-the-road liberal idea is now "extreme," and worst of all, non-corporate, began as an attack not by Republicans, who picked it up, but by the DLC and Clinton. The consequences are getting worse and worse because we the people need politcal parties, (and good labor unions, etc.), to win against the powerful; they on the other hand, not only do not need political parties, but benefit by their destruction. It kills, specifically, our only hope.

Now it has all taken many steps forward, wielding its consolidated power, and the only solution--obvious but hard to do--is to get the people back into the Party and the political system. Now the whole thing is so corporate, though, that they don't even debate you anymore, but just pitch, and frame, and smear. An operation like this starts to run on its own, unstoppable, until the people rise up--but when even marches and protests are jeered at, described incorrectly, and sold like "Must See TV," then what do you do--censored and slandered by the corporate empire that committed the crime in the first place? ...And after all, who killed the regulations that used to protect us from such monopoly? Clinton. They are all one. The question now is, how do the non-rich re-take something that is not even a political system anymore, but is itself a corporation?
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 03:47 PM
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16. I think were it not for Democrats listening to the base, the DSM would not
have had a hearing.

I'm feeling rather appreciated as of late.
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silver10 Donating Member (492 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 05:27 PM
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17. I don't think the repukes kiss up to their "base"
Edited on Fri Jun-17-05 05:32 PM by silver10
They do nothing to their base but tell lies. Then they go to the 5% of their base who they really serve, and make laws that only help the very elite, including themselves.

Their "base" should be ashamed of themselves for believing the lies, and being sold down the river, and taking all of us with them. Just because something is constantly repeated doesn't mean it is true and should be taken at face value.

If Cheney, for example, supports something, like the war, don't think it's to protect the population of America. Be suspicious, because if someone like him supports it, it is only so that he and his cronies can make trillions of dollars in defense contracts and control the world's oil. Be suspicious of anything the repugs support because they are the most disdainful, selfish, vile creatures on this planet. Smart and slick.

Most of the repukes who identify as being a republican do so because they believe that they are in the same class as those who the party really serves. They want to be identified with the elite, as being affluent, strong and superior in all ways, or aspire to be because they think they stand a chance. They are self-delusional.

Most of the repugs - even the middle and upper-middle-classes - will end up paying the bulk of the taxes in this country to pay for all the elite tax cuts and defense spending. It's this base who have hurt themselves through their stupidity, and chances are, unless they are of the upper elite class, their sons and daughters will be sent to fight the elite war to further line the elite pockets. They may even eventually lose their jobs, have to declare bankruptcy, have the opportunity to right a wrong through a class action lawsuit or medical liability suit, but too bad for them (the true base doesn't have to worry about such things). It is this majority "base" who has hung themselves, but they're too stupid to know it yet.

Sharing is not in any of these people's nature, yet allowing people to earn a decent living allows everyone to have money to spend, letting our economy grow and everyone be happy - but they don't want to share, they would rather lie and murder. Now, our economy is paying the price, our environment, our freedoms, our national safety, our world's safety, our world credibility, our family life, our soldiers' lives (not in order of importance). And it is only getting worse, because repugs won't share - or at least give people the real value their work is worth. And so many are so stupid not to see it.

I agree with you regarding the Democratic leadership - they seem weak, but are benefiting too much from the fall-out of the repukes' policies to fight too hard. And because of this, are throwing around so many red herrings.
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 06:08 PM
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18. Because we strike fear in the belly of the neocon beast.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 06:36 PM
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21. It's clear you've put your heart and soul into your advocacy.
It's ashame that those who fight for the best of humanity aren't rewarded appropriately. But, that fact has mostly to do with the way our capitalist system has evolved.

Moreover, the "base" of the Democrats is quite large. Unlike the corporacrat-dominated neoCONs who serve one anothers' financial interests, the Democratic base serves humanity and, in a capitalistic society, servants to human interests don't get paid for their contributions. Whereas, it is an accepted more that CEOs get paid to basically exploit people.

That's what's abusive and insane,...the capitalist orientation run totally amok.
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