Reasons to think the ticket will be McCain - P/Jeb Bush-VP in 2008

[Nothing Without Hope]

The media propaganda machine is already pushing McCain in a very obvious way:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1818584
Thread title: Framing for the presidency: TV Movie is pure pro-McCain propaganda
There was not only a prime-time movie on Memorial Day, there were nauseatingly fulsome "reviews" of this movie given huge space and visibility in both the New York Times and the Washington Post.

And surely you've noticed how often McCain is selected as networks' Republican "insider spokesperson/expert" lately.

He's being portrayed as honest, brave, tough, smart, experienced, fond of his father - everything the noisome little toad in the WH is not. Of course, he sold his honor for his ambition long ago and routinely votes for brazenly corrupt legislation and nominees, but that is never mentioned. (Unless WE do it, as we should be doing.) Much has been made of his participating in the filibuster "deal." (Which, BTW, I consider to be a disaster for the Dems - Repubs got confirmation of some horrible judges and the filibuster attack is still on the table.) He is being groomed by corporate interests and is making moves to grab ever more power, make no mistake.

And I think there's very good sense in this article:

http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?itemid=19201
E.J. Dionne, Jr.
Washington Post Writers Group
06.15.05

McCain-Bush in '08?

John and Jeb could be necessary compromise ticket for GOP

WASHINGTON -- McCain-Bush in 2008?
That would be John and Jeb, the most logical Republican ticket if the party remains in the polling doldrums. If President Bush and his political maestro Karl Rove decide that the only way to create a political legacy is to nod toward the Arizona senator with whom they have battled and feuded, they will go for the guy who can win.

This scenario was outlined to me recently by a shrewd and loyally Democratic political operative with personal ties to the McCain camp before Mark McKinnon, one of the president's top media advisers, publicly confirmed that he would help a McCain presidential run if it materialized.

(snip)

If the Republicans' ethics problems worsen, McCain's Mr. Clean image will look ever more attractive to Republican members of Congress desperate to hold power. If things get really bad, many Republicans will be happy to dump House Majority Leader Tom DeLay and embrace McCain.

(snip)

And here is where Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, the president's brother, could be the deal closer. Jeb has said he would not run in 2008. But that does not rule him out as a vice presidential candidate. If McCain won, Jeb would be the No. 2 to a president who will turn 72 on Aug. 29, 2008, and might well serve only a single term. If McCain lost, Jeb would have enhanced national recognition for a run in 2012. If picking Jeb is the price of winning over George W., McCain will pay it.

(snip)

No worry to the Bushies about McCain being re-elected - he'd be too old. And of course, McCain is an old man, so if he has a convenient "heart attack," or perhaps a photogenic "terra-ist assassination" after he is in office, we would be left with Bush III and a big sympathy surge if they are too impatient to wait for the next election.

[deadparrot]

1. McCain's gotta get nominated first...

and the fundies, who make up a substantial part of the Republican base (a part that VOTES when they need to), are NOT happy with McCain. In fact, I think they'd do just about anything to see that he's not nominated.

[freedom_to_read]

3. you assume that the Republicans elect their nominee

[Nothing Without Hope]

5. No I don't. I assume that they want a pre-election vote poll margin

that's close enough that they can steal the election convincingly if they have to. McCain is the only one on the horizon who looks like he can give them that.

[freedom_to_read]

22. perhaps you're right

[deadparrot]

7. You assume that the people who control BBV

want McCain. :)

[Nothing Without Hope]

4. That's why a Fristian like Jebbie has to be the VP candidate.

And McCain is OLD.

The fact is, a lot of Americans are really getting leary of the Fristians underfoot everywhere. It's becoming a liability. Frist looks like a fool and more and more corruption will continue to turn up among the criminal hypocrites.

They need someone perceived as NOT insane and NOT corrupt if they are going to win non-RW wacko Repub vote. And the RW-wackos are NOT the majority, even of Repubs.

So I see it being a compromise ticket, with a pretty much guarnteed presidency for the VP candidate once the scandals cool a bit.

[deadparrot]

6. Hasn't Jeb pissed off enough fundies

with the Schiavo thing? Not saying no to a compromise ticket, but I think McCain/Frist (or Frist/McCain) is a more viable option. They loooove the Cat Killer.

Plus, he's a Catholic. As is McCain. That's a big no-no.

[Nothing Without Hope]

8. Jeb would certainly be willing to suck up to them again - and if it's

not him, they could choose another Fristian to placate the fundies and give the Bushies what they want. But with McCain as the presidential candidate.

[deadparrot]

9. But they only pick the nominee in the primaries...

not a ticket.

You'd have to get the fundies to buy into McCain at the beginning of 2008, to such a degree that they'd vote for him over someone like Frist. I have my doubts.

But who knows? So much can change in these next few years. We probably shouldn't be worrying about it right now.

[Nothing Without Hope]

11. I worry about it only because McCain's growing power is a problem

for Congressional Dems NOW. So is the propagandizing of his supposed virtures - it's being turned into unquestioned dogma. We need to be wary of that - if he gets too much public support, he can do a lot of damage to progressive goals, and he has voted with the monsters to many times to doubt it.

[deadparrot]

12. McCain scares me, too.

I know we shouldn't be saying it, but he does. If he's the nominee, I fear he'll be unbeatable.

The man really isn't a centrist; the others are just so far right that he looks moderate.

[Nothing Without Hope]

14. He's more cunning than they are, and he has a better idea of what the

majority of American people are looking for. They want "honest, brave, war-hero, effective leader, smart..." and that is how he is being portrayed. It's a framing campaign, and it is already in full swing.

He will be hard to beat, and we have to start taking the false glitter off the truth about him. He sold his honor for ambition long ago, and he has greatly conributed to the destruction of the constituional rule of law engieered by the neocon cartel and their enablers.

[Vadem]

2. That ticket turns my stomach!......I can just picture the people who

are not up on things as much as we are voting for them....and them probably winning, if we don't get rid of those f*ing machines!

[zulchzulu]

10. McCain will not be "around" in 2008

Both Jeb and John McCain are dead meat for 2008. It's going to be Hagel and maybe Sugar Lips as VP.

[JCMach1]

13. JEBtm will not play second fiddle to anyone...

[Nothing Without Hope]

15. To get into the presidency, I think he might play along for a while

If he is VP, I wouldn't want to be the health insurer of whoever is the Pres. Odds are very bad for the prospect of his serving out his term without an unfortunate and fatal incident that would put Jebbie into the Oval Office.

It's obvious even now that even with all the fraud, Jeb cannot be the Presidential candidate in 2008 - but people might feel safer if he is "merely" the VP candidate - they're often viiewed as afterthoughts though they can step into the presidency at any time.

[NAO]

16. The Radical Clerics of the Religious Reich have issued Fatwa on McCain

for his role in the filibuster compromise. He does not stand a chance.

He also believes in "junk science" (aka Global Warming) and does not hate and condemn gays. There is no way a man like this could win the presidency/theocracy the Rabid Religious Reich have planned for 2008.

[funflower]

17. Agreed. They want some one to the RIGHT of *, not a "moderate."

They'll go for Frist or, worse, someone like Brownback.

[Nothing Without Hope]

19. I think you overestimate the ability of the Fristians to prevail

over everyone else. The rest of the US has begun to react to the pseudo-Christian intrusion into every part of society. They are no longer so apathetic that they will allow these crazies to walk away with an election. Bush/Cheney were not so overtly, publicly wacko-Christian before the "elections" of 2000 and 2004. A lot of that was downplayed or secret. Now the truth has been more visible and the majority of the US does NOT like it at all. For the Schiavo case, a poll taken at the time showed that a majority of self-described evangelical Christians believed that the government should not have intruded as it did.

I do no believe a Fristian can will the Repub nomination, even with fraud and dirty tricks.

But more important for now, I see McCain's increased power as a threat to Dem goals NOW.

[fujiyama]

18. I think Jeb

will sit '08 out and play the private sector for some time. A puke said that and while I usually wouldn't trust them, I think it makes sense.

But I certainly wouldn't rule him out in running in '12 and or later.

[snowbear]

20. Even if he picked the dip.. it won't mean jack shit.

Mistah Booosh is sinking like the titanic and the U.S... Hell, the WORLD is S-I-C-K of Bush's running for president. :puke:

NO MORE BUSHES.

NOT BUSH 01
NOT BUSH 02
NOT JEB BUSH

No one here believes their "Hillary tops the Dem Polls" reports.. so why-oh-why should we believe the "John-Jeb" talk?

[Nothing Without Hope]

21. We need to watch out for McCain. Bringing down Bush isn't enough. n/t