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splat@14 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 11:04 PM
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"Wiggle room" for Shrub in DSM?
Interesting take excerpted from David Corn, full text at link. Its pretty short but effective. I thought about the language myself, and I'm no lawyer. Any legal minds out there with an opinion? Terminology, slang, between the US and Britain could be used by Bush to weaken the DSM. Before DSM I felt that Bush and gang should be held accountable just for the lie of WMD and the tie to 9/11. Maybe the DSM is comparable to the Watergate break-in, and it'll bring to light all the other crap this administration is pulling.


http://www.davidcorn.com/2005/06/reconsidering_t.php
Richard Dearlove (aka C),the head of the British MI6, was telling Blair that the Bushies were "gearing" intelligence and facts toward their desire for war. Or perhaps he was indicating that they were building a case for war with whatever facts and intelligence they could find. All of these possibilities come across as somewhat dodgy. But maybe C did not mean "fixed" as in "rigged."

There might be some wiggle room here for the Bushies. But the true impact of the DSM--which Chavez and Graham danced around--is that it shows that Bush was not being straight with the American public. At that point in time--the summer of 2002- Bush and his advisers were claiming that Bush had not yet decided to go to war, that he saw it as a last option, that he would try other alternatives--even diplomacy!--first. The obvious goal was to persuade the public that he was a reasonable fellow who would not rush to such a momentous decision. Yet the DSM, as many readers of this blog already know, discloses that C came back from Washington with quite a different impression:

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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 11:06 PM
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1. They'll use semantic gymnastics to wiggle out of it
You know, all that parsing that they said was so bad during the Clinton Administration
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 11:54 PM
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7. Bush will resign like Nixon and keep woking for Carlyle
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 11:08 PM
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2. I've had several Brits address the 'fixed' term...
..and basically the idea that 'fixed' doesn't mean 'fixed' in British slang is - crap. Poppycock. Horse shit. Rubbish.

It means what it says. It says what it means. There are no 'dual' meanings to the term. Or at least that's what I've several Brits have told me.
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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 11:55 PM
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8. When I first heard the "definition" argument, I posted a
question in the UK forum:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=191&topic_id=5121
They verified it means the same thing in Britain as in the rest of the world.
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bribri16 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 11:18 PM
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3. There is no wiggle room for his comments made in 1999
when he was campaigning. This was revealed by the former CIA person during the Conyers hearing. I had never heard about the quote from Bush during that time.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 11:20 PM
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4. Is Richard Dearlove dead? Why don't they just ask him what happened
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kitkat65 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 11:27 PM
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5. I've heard this argument over the word "fixed" and British meaning
Definition from askoxford.com (and that would be in the UK view/version)

fix
• verb 1 attach or position securely. 2 repair or restore. 3 decide or settle on. 4 make arrangements for. 5 make unchanging, constant or permanent. 6 (fix on) direct or be directed unwaveringly toward. 7 informal deviously influence the outcome of. 8 informal take an injection of a narcotic drug. 9 informal, chiefly N. Amer. provide with food or drink.

So, since when does a responsible, transparent and efficient government attach or position securely, repair or restore, decide or settle on, make arrangements for, make unchanging, constant or permanent, (fix on) direct or be directed unwaveringly toward, informal deviously influence the outcome of the facts.... around a policy?

Seems to me a responsible, transparent and efficient government would set policy based on facts.

They can semantize all they want. Semantize this: George Bush is a lying piece of shit.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 11:44 PM
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6. It's 'Fixed' as in "The 2000, 2002, and 2004 Elections were Fixed!
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 11:57 PM
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9. Judging by
the way the 'memo' has been received by the administration so far, they're running out of time to start wiggling. Dismissing it in its entirely--Like Snotty Scotty said about it "we've already addressed this issue"--isn't going to win them any points when they finally realize that method's not going to work.

The longer they stall, the worse any attempt to wiggle is going to look.
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libertypirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 12:19 AM
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10. Nope Bush is fucked, sorry no wiggling
These are like the Nixon tapes, but already typed up for us :)
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