America Should Do The Right Thing.

[tecelote]

So, to dismiss the Downing Street Memo, the right wing media is saying that we all knew that war was a forgone conclusion… before going to the U.N.?

What?

So, now Americans do not believe that war is only used as a last resort?

We were not forced in to this war, we chose to declare war.

What has happened to American values?

Today it is common belief that the life in an embryo and a brain dead woman are more important than the lives of our sons and daughters serving in Iraq. No logic needed, we have the “Culture of Life” and you are either for it or against it. If you believe in a “Culture of Life”, then you must also believe in war. Thinking people please wake up.

Save America.

Now that we have this war, we can not quit and leave the Iraqi’s in Civil War, we need to stay and help them stabilize their country. We can, however, change the leadership that botched this up in the first place. We are Americans, citizens control the government.

What we need to do is to separate the real military from the war profiteers. Support the military in handling Iraq and trust their ability to resolve the current problems and to bring it under control. We have the greatest military in the world.

We should convict the corporate criminals that are profiting from this pre-emptive war. No doubt, profits motivated this war. That's why Afghanistan became old news so fast. 9/11 has been used to increase corporate profits and that's a sin. Convict the bastards.

Right now the best thing Americans can do is get Bush away from this botched war and get some new leadership in power that is willing to make this a military matter and not a business matter.

It’s the right thing to do.

[atreides1]

1. Some Points

"Now that we have this war, we cannot quit and leave Iraqi's a Civil War, we need to stay and help them stabalize their country."

It's already a Civil War, and stabilization was supposed to come with the first free elections in 2 decades, it didn't happen. More
Iraiqs have died since the elections and the US military does not have the manpower to keep Iraq stabilized.

"We can, however, change the leadership that botched this up in the first place. We are Americans, citizens control the government."

We tried to change the leadership, but the mantra that people listened to was "moral values and no gay marriage". Now we find that
the Republicans in Ohio invested state money into a hedge fund that went bust and they knew this before the November elections but failed to inform the people. The citizens of this country no longer have control over this government "of the people".

"We have the greatest military in the world."

The military has already lost its credibilty when it tried to cover up the torture and abuse of prisoners at Abu Ghraib prison, and when that didn't work they offered up the lowest ranking as sacificial lambs to the slaughter. When the USMC failed to charge two Marines with murder for the blatant killing of unarmed captives. When the US Army took hostages in order to force an Iraqi general to surrender, and when US aircraft and ground troops fired on a wedding party.
And now the "Greatest military in the world", is getting it's ass knocked around by a bunch of insurgents that Dickie claimed were in the "final throes" of life.

"We should convict the corporate criminals."

And who will lead this grand charge, the Inquisitor General of the United States, Alberto Gonzales, the man who defends the use of torture and would keep imprisoned for life men who have been charged
with any crime.

"Right now the best thing Americans can do is get Bush away from this botched war and get some new leadership in power."

And just how do you propose to accomplish this amazin feat, since short of a revolution, the only way to remove a sitting President is by impeaching him. Taking into consideration that the Republicans control both Houses of Congress, this is about as realistic as a Hobbit.

The right thing to do is to establish a timetable for withdrawal of all US military forces from Iraq, and to work with the UN and Coalition partners to get the rest of the world to assist with making
Iraq stable. It will take time but IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO!!!!

[tecelote]

2. So, you agree.

Good points.

"The right thing to do is to establish a timetable for withdrawal of all US military forces from Iraq, and to work with the UN and Coalition partners to get the rest of the world to assist with making
Iraq stable. It will take time but IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO!!!!"

I agree.

The difference is that, in my opinion, despite the problems (they always exist), nobody is better equipped to end this war than our military and the current coalition forces. Yes, we need to bring more countries on board and begin working with the U.N. instead of against it.

As far as convicting the corporate criminals. I'm being dramatic. Some deserve it. But, what we really need to do is to change the way the business of war is run. Cancel the no-bid sweetheart deals that should never have been allowed. Begin open bidding and cost control. It will make a big difference in the cost of this war.

To get that done, yell at your Senators and Congressman. Especially the ones you hope to elect. Make sure they know that this is important to you. It's also not perfect. But it is also still the best system we've got. Better than anywhere else in the world. Work with it and America just might wake up. It has happened.

[tousiswritten]

4. Air power is the key:

We need two air bases and 5 to 10% of what ground forces we have there now. I submitted a plan to the Kerry campaign and they talked about it for a short while,then dropped it but I think it should be brought up again.

It's difficult for me to articulate but I will answer questions if anybody wishes to ask. I am a four year two war combat vet.I know that we are 180 % out in the way we are doing this.

[tecelote]

5. Do you think it is possible to bring home the

National Guard and have this war fought by the people in the military that want to be there?

I think that the military is being manipulated by Washington and the war profiteers. I have argued that if you take the profit making incentive out of this war it would be an entirely different war. Do you agree?

[tousiswritten]

7. The only way to fight an insurgency is to remove

their targets. We should bring out ALL civilians and the bulk of our ground forces. Air commander should secure two air fields in stratigic locations and determine how many troops he needs to defend them and still be resupplied by air. Remove the Iraqi Army from the cities and let them train in more remote locations,

let this become a police matter. All we need from the Army is two small fast moving reactionary units, one at each air base to assist the Iraqi police.

Since we know * wants no part of this,he and the rest of his cabal have to go.

Let the Iraqi's sort themselves out, and let the time table for us to leave be when the American and Iraqi air commanders agree that the Iraqi air force is ready.

BTW, I agree with your last last par: 100%

[tousiswritten]

8. National Guard

I'm sorry,I didn't answer your question. There is no way to tell if * remains in office,otherwise this whole transfer can be carried out in six months or less.

[eallen]

3. Those who say that must admit Bush and Blair are STILL lying...

It's really funny to see the Bushkultie defend against the DSM. Half are saying, despite the new evidence, that Bush was telling the truth, and didn't decide to go to war until it was late forced upon him. The other half are saying it doesn't matter, because everyone already knew we were planning to go to war.

In other words, half are fools, and half are willing to support deceit. :puke:

[Karenina]

6. Amis ARE doing the "RIGHT" thing!

:evilgrin: