Karen Kwiatowski on DSM - as posted at From the Wilderness

[pberq]

Excellent comments and perspective from FTW staff on Karen Kwiatowski article on DSM!! Here is a coalition of an ex-member of the Pentagon OSP, and FTW on what is really happening here. The most critical thing is that there will be no price to pay by Bush, etc. for DSM. We have no rule of law as far as they are concerned.

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/061705_world_stories.shtml#1

Below are some comments by Jamey Hecht of FTW:
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<"Unleashing the Resistance" begins, "The Downing Street Memo explains in brisk understated English what I didn't fully understand when I worked for Secretary Rumsfeld and Dough Feith in the Pentagon in 2002 and early 2003." I thought that by the fall of 2002 everybody knew that the Bush junta had already been planning an invasion of Iraq since before 9/11. Hundreds of thousands of us meandered pointlessly up the Great Lawn in futile indignation about it, on October 15th and then in February and March and May and June. What was it Kwiatowski hadn't understood? That American wars have been deliberate acts of aggression launched upon bogus pretexts for the past two centuries?[br />
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The reason the Downing Street memos are not causing a politically significant wave of popular outrage is because everyone already did understand. The documents simply confirm in embarrassingly concrete terms the story that Scott Ritter and Joe Wilson and others have been telling us since 2002. If you're outraged now, it's because you're pretending not to have known this all along. At this point it's impossible to be shocked that a cadre of sociopathic Dominionist oilmen planned a racist war against a starved people floating on a sea of hydrocarbons. What's shocking is that we can have the very minutes of the meetings become public without any consequences for the perpetrators. That means there is no legal infrastructure, no institution of jurisprudence that can inflict so much as a flea-bite on the tyrant's finger.

Once you know about Abu Ghraib and Bagram AFB, you can't be shocked by Guantanamo; it's all one continuous horror and the shocking thing is that we continue to believe that the military - by which I mean the defense corporations and the top ranks of the armed services - doesn't run the country. Sure, the American skin game is older than Theodore Roosevelt's adventure in the Philippines - but there was also a military coup d'etat in the U.S. in 1963, and the perpetrators and their protégées are still in power. All these brutal police actions are somehow exceptions to the rule, aberrant blunders against a backdrop of benevolent lawfulness? No way.

But if there's got to be a fight, let it be against the fascists and their proxies (like Saddam Hussein and Dubya). And I want Kwiatkowski on my side, not theirs. -JAH]

[dbeach]

1. Another genuine heroine .not much notice at DU

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=103&topic_id=132475&mesg_id=132475

I posted it ..DU yawnwed..

[pberq]

5. Let's keep pushing her articles.

The best we can do is to keep on putting her name and writing out there and expect that sooner or later people will take notice.

My favorite part of her article is this:

"French-born composer and musician Nadia Boulanger, a major influence on American music in the 20th century, once said:

Liberty has never come from the government. Liberty has always come from the subjects of it. The history of liberty is a history of resistance. The history of liberty is a history of limitations of governmental power, not the increase of it."

[dbeach]

8. yep

King George Bush the second = KGB II

[Poiuyt]

11. Here is an archive of her articles:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/kwiatkowski/kwiatkowski-arch.html

She is an outstanding and credible resource who has not been utilized by Congressional leaders.

[Spiffarino]

16. Kwiatkowski's a Libertarian

I think that puts her on the outs with a lot of people here. It's a shame, because she was right in the middle of the Office of Special Plans and knew all the principle players. She saw firsthand that real intelligence was ignored while bullshit was adored. More DUers need to forgo their prejudices and listen to what she has to say, whatever they think of her politics.

She, like most Libertarians, are anti-war and pro-freedom. The only knock I have on them is their disdain for any and all government intervention, as if unregulated markets could or would preserve the environment and protect the poor and middle class.

[dbeach]

20. i concur!

its about saving this US of A from these criminals who have intimidated their way into near total control

so its not a Dem repub Lib reform..issue its about what type of society this is gonna be
and if the busheviks have their way..the USA will be transformed into a soviet style state with them continuing their elite privleged lifestlye albeit the workers will drive to work rather than take the train

Elites will keep the gold mine and the commoners will keep getting the shaft

[tavalon]

23. You know

I never even knew her political affiliation until this article. I've been following her for some time and I get most of my leads about where to find interviews from here, from DU.

[Capn Sunshine]

19. I think DU at times is overwhelmed

a true hero like Karen Kwiatkowski sometimes flies under the radar, and so goes it for many like her as well.

That this does not resonate at DU is more a commentary on the timing of the post vs the deluge of fresh news on the subject.

other websites have more of a chance to commiserate on this; they don't have the burden of as huge a population

[tavalon]

22. These things happen sometimes

It's not personal, it's timing.

Karen is important here. Many of us follow her. I'm currently in shock from this article because while she is being circumspect it is clear what she is asking of us.

I guess in an abstract way, I knew it would come to this. But I'm reeling in shock to realize that the time is nigh.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

26. I saw that...

I wasn't yawning, I was speechless.

What a gal!

[Blue Belle]

2. I think she should testify at the next Downing Street Hearing...

She'd be great.

[Carolab]

3. Actually, I was wondering why she wasn't at the first hearing.

Karen's papers exposed the "cooked intel" from the start.

However, this seems rather difficult to believe:

"The Downing Street Memo explains in brisk understated English what I didn't fully understand when I worked for Secretary Rumsfeld and Doug Feith in the Pentagon in 2002 and early 2003."

How did she NOT get that?

[Daphne08]

14. I was wondering the same thing...

[Just Me]

4. No kidding. She has first-hand testimony to offer.

She was right there in the thick of the neoCON coup!!!

Moreover, look at the woman's credentials: absolutely impeccable!!!

She is definitely another American patiot and should be acknowledged as one. :patriot:

[Al-CIAda]

6. .

[dkofos]

7. Need her to testify

[Just Me]

9. K I C K

:kick:

[Disturbed]

10. DSM is only the short version of the lies.

The case is much more complex but I guess it's beeter to keep this simple.

The case for starting an iquiry towards Impeachment of the entire Bush Regime needs to go forward in the House.

[NMDemDist2]

12. she is amazing! kicked and nominated n/t

[yodermon]

13. QUOTE OF THE WEEK! hands down.

"It's impossible to be shocked that a cadre of sociopathic Dominionist oilmen planned a racist war against a starved people floating on a sea of hydrocarbons.

[Karenina]

27. Kick for that quote!

:kick:

[Coloradan4Truth]

15. Awesome article

:kick:

[Daphne08]

17. This is a MUST WATCH Karen Kwiatkowski interview done

at California State Polytechnic University, Pomona:

http://www.blip.tv/link/59

Very informative.

[Spiffarino]

18. I've been looking for that!

Thanks for posting it...everybody needs to hear what she has to say.

BTW, I thought it was kind of funny when the guy screwed up her name. You can see her roll her eyes a little.

[tavalon]

24. I watched that one just last week

Yep, it's a good one. We should put that one in a topic by itself.

[tavalon]

21. Wow, Karen, in a bit of code

Is teaching us how to rise up in bloody rebellion. Truly these are frightening times when a career miliary person is telling us what we need to do to take down our government.

[dbeach]

25. we need more govt officials to folow her lead

I remember the story of some career pentagoners saying that wolfowitz is smart enough to get fragged..

then wolfie almost got zapped in baghdad..

also have heard at some CT sites about some few good folks left in govt who are actively working against the busheviks. Dunno if thats true BUT it will still take huge popular support to throw out bush and the villains..
apparently TREASON is OK ..has been so far!

I would add this that I hear many smart people sat bush has no intention of leaving..and jeb is waiting who is more clever than dumya.

[Spiffarino]

28. I don't think that's what she's advocating

It's about not giving in and not going along with the neocon regime. She urges Americans to remove their legitimacy, but I don't think her article advocates destruction.

[Imagevision]

29. "There was also a military coup d'etat in the U.S. in 1963

and the perpetrators and their protégées are still in power.