Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Robert Redford: There's been about 15 "Watergate type" issues w/Bush..

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU
 
snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 05:29 PM
Original message
Robert Redford: There's been about 15 "Watergate type" issues w/Bush..
..."You can go right down the line (in the Bush administration), there's about 15 issues as strong or as big as the Watergate break-in was that have come and died out," Redford said last week.

He cited the search for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and the "Downing Street memo" which suggested Bush's officials tweaked intelligence to support their invasion plans.

"There are guys out there digging and digging. There are stories appearing every single day," he said. "But is it getting any traction with the public?"

http://www.gainesville.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050618/APE/506180798

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 05:32 PM
Response to Original message
1. Not getting "traction" because the US
mswm isn't giving them any investigation..I'm surprised they even put them out there on page 18.

There are no Bernstein and woodward for the 21st Century.

There's an English Mark Felt, however..so named "Deep Thought" by DUer "Dragonfli".
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
CityDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 05:36 PM
Response to Original message
2. Hey Redford -- wake up and smell the coffee
The main stream media has been covering for AWOL for the past 6 years. It is great that you are speaking out and bringing attention to the fascism we face in this country. We need more people like you and Dick Durbin who are not afraid to speak up against the corporate whores in the media.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 05:37 PM
Response to Original message
3. LOL! Ain't that the truth. I know our generation should be ashamed,
ASHAMED, to have the Bush years put up on the silver screen. Can you imagine our grandchildrens' reaction when they see it? They'll visit us in our nursing homes and slap us on our foreheads chanting, "stupid, stupid, stupid!" for allowing it to get this far. We should make it a requirement to have "We voted Democratic in the Bush years" on our medical charts.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TwentyFive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 05:43 PM
Response to Original message
4. Robert Redford is right. Why are big issues not getting traction?
Republicans don't seem to care that Bush stole the election, drove us to an illegal war, ignores global warming, recinds civil liberties, driving us into record levels of debt, destroys the middle class, makes new enemies, killing the value of the dollar and is wrecking the country.

Part of this is the dynamics of group behavior. The leaders are cheering Bush on. They ignore desent. Limbaugh, Coulter, Hannity, Congress, etc. are the cheering squad. Even if you are some republican with doubts, those doubts are seen as traitor to the cause.

In short, Bush is using the same, exact tactics used be every despot since the beginning of time.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Independent_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 05:44 PM
Response to Original message
5. You have a lot to learn Redford!
Edited on Sat Jun-18-05 05:45 PM by Independent_Liberal
Our press isn't independent like it used to be.

Anyway, when Michael Moore makes the sequel to "Fahrenheit 9/11," I think he should call it "Fahrenheit 9/11 1/2: When Watergate Looks Like Kindergarten" or something like that.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 05:46 PM
Response to Original message
6. Here's a suggestion, Mr. Redford; you can be a catalyst
with your Sundance Channel. Get some more programming that sheds light on info the corporate hounds won't cover.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 05:54 PM
Response to Reply #6
7. Grreat Suggestion!
We need to a at least ONE National Media outlet.

The Left's answer to faux..think that could happen?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
tallahasseedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 05:55 PM
Response to Reply #6
8. That would be great,
but lets get real. The Sundance Channel isn't exactly mainstream. We would need a bigger outlet for it to pick up any steam.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 06:33 PM
Response to Original message
9. If you expose enough of the ongoing ugly truth about Bush and......
his administration, eventually almost everybody will take notice and do something about it, hopefully in the voting booth.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 06:36 PM
Response to Original message
10. if we had any justice in this country right now....
seems like it will have to be bottom up,
not top down on any of the Bush Inc. crimes.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DemGirl7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 07:20 PM
Response to Original message
11. Sorry to tell you...
but the Main stream media are no longer watchdogs...they are just lapdogs, that employ pundits who prefer to spit out the same pro Bush Administration crap that is put in their heads. Yes, there are those object, but their voices are drowned outand not heard, and some would like to object, but they are good little reporters who mind their manners, and put on a fake smile while all of this happens before them.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Algorem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 08:04 PM
Response to Original message
12. sorta like the "Worse Than Watergate" book by John Dean
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/04/06/1354218

AMY GOODMAN: We interviewed you when you were talking about the impeachable crimes of George Bush, if in fact he lied. Are you convinced he did now?

JOHN DEAN: I am convinced he did lie, and in fact I put an appendix in the book to really show others how they can establish that for themselves. What I did is I looked at one of his major speeches. And took the statements that he had made relying on rather publicly available material. It's not highly classified. There are reports that anyone who takes the trouble to look online can find. And you can see where he literally takes a statement and drops all of the qualifications, all of the modifiers and makes it a declarative statement. He does it time after time after time. This is a misrepresentation of the facts. When he went to Congress in October of 2002 to get a resolution to go to war in Iraq, he wanted something that the Congress had never given before, which was a delegation of a power that he wouldn't have to go back to Congress to get war powers when he actually went to war. The Congress had never granted such a power. So, the Congress said, all right. We'll take the two -- we'll do this with conditions. The two conditions are -- really the premise that he had been arguing for war. So, when they granted the resolution, they said, we want a formal Presidential declaration from you that, one, there is no diplomatic way to resolve the problems of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. That was the first condition. The second condition was that going to war in Iraq would be consistent with the war on terrorism, which was his second point, that there was an Al Qaeda connection with Saddam Hussein, was the implicit rationale. Bush, in a secret deal with the House of Representatives, agreed to that. The resolution was written, passed and signed by the President. No one really paid any attention to this resolution, and the President in March of 2003 goes to war. 48 hours after, under the resolution, he had to report that he had done that, and he had to submit his formal declaration. His declaration is one of the most -- I can't really find the right word for it, Amy. It's just -- I use all of the modifiers I can think of in the book. It's a fraud. It is a deliberate, misleading resolution the President himself asked for. It's a violation of trust to the Congress who granted him very unusual powers. It's a violation of the trust of the American people. His declaration is phony. His determination, excuse me, is phony. It's actually bizarre. So I lay that out in the book to explain to people what he has done and how he did it, and how questionable it really is...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Fri Apr 19th 2024, 09:14 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC