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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 03:25 PM
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Poll question: Biden v. Hillary
Edited on Sun Jun-19-05 03:26 PM by BullGooseLoony
Would you vote for either of these two if they were given the nomination?
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Jackson4Gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 03:27 PM
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1. Al Gore!
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 03:27 PM
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2. Of course I would support either if they were the nominee.
I'd vote for Bullwinkle moose against Frist or any of the other likely suspects.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 03:27 PM
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3. I voted either, but,
I prefer neither
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 03:28 PM
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4. Biden or Hillary. No. Sorry. I'll be voting for a DEMOCRAT!
Boxer, Feingold, Kucinich or maybe Conyers.

A candidate with convictions who can win.

Hillary? 'nuff said.

Biden? Dukakis without the charisma.
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Pepperbelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 03:31 PM
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5. not an option ...
the question was:

ould you vote for either of these two if they were given the nomination?
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 03:36 PM
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7. That actually wasn't the question.
Edited on Sun Jun-19-05 03:38 PM by Ken Burch
The question was, would I favor nominating either one of them?

If they were nominated, I would probably support them, but we'd all know they were doomed to defeat from the outset.

Hillary will always be a hopeless combination of too much conservatism on the issues and too much a flash point for reactionary hatemongers.

Biden will never be nationally popular again. There's simply nothing the man can possibly do to make a credible case for nominating him, since the entire country thinks of him(if they've heard of him)as an unprincipled hack.
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Pepperbelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 04:30 PM
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15. I c & p'd it from the OP unless the OP edited it. nt
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 05:15 PM
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18. OK it was the question...But the "Hillary v. Biden" phrase
made that confusing until you read the small print.

Nonetheless, it is certain that everyone who came back to the Democrats in 2004 from the Greens would go away again if Hillary or Biden were the nominees, since there would be no arguement you could make to convince people of conscience to support either one of them.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 03:40 PM
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9. that makes no sense... they're both Democrats
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 11:47 PM
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39. Are they really????
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 04:58 PM
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41. yes they are!!!!
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MellowOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 04:25 PM
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13. I second the motion
Well said.
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 03:34 PM
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6. Will not vote DLC. It will be back to the Green Party if either of them
is the nominee. Rove will just fix the election again anyway since the Dems refuse to take action on election reform (except Conyers, Tubbs-Jones, Boxer, et al.). Might as well vote my conscience.
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 03:38 PM
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8. Taglines for Biden v. Hillary
Whoever wins... We lose.
It's our planet... It's their war.
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many a good man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 03:41 PM
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10. I'd vote for a yella dog instead of a Republican
But if Democrats are assured of victory again I'll vote Green since that's who best represents my views.
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 04:22 PM
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12. let's hear it for the yellow dog option!!!
nt
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 05:17 PM
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19. could somebody tell me what "nt" actually stands for?
I've never really been sure.
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Darkamber Donating Member (507 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 07:07 PM
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25. NT stands for "no text" in the message. NT
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 07:12 PM
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27. OH.
nt.
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Redneck Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 08:57 PM
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32. You have to get it up in the subject line...
or it sort of loses its effectiveness.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 03:45 PM
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11. Biden, Hillary, Jeb Bush or Bill Frist.
I will probably support the democratic nominee because it is likely I will prefer them to another 4 years of republican rule.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 06:07 PM
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22. I don't think they can put enough lipstick on Bill Frist to convince...
anyone he is presidential, and both of them will have the stink of that Schiavo business on them for a long time.

Hillbilly Hitler art:



Blog:




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nickshepDEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 04:27 PM
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14. Joe Biden would make a fine president.
Unfortunatley he has no shot whatsoever of winning the Democratic nomination.
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KeepItReal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 05:06 PM
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16. Which Biden? The anti-Abu-Ghraib-torture Biden or the pro-MBNA Biden?
???

This guy is too much for me.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 05:36 PM
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20. And he hates progressives and activists and has said so.
Why should I once again vote for a candidate who has contempt for what I stand for?
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 05:07 PM
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17. At least Biden acts like a liberal with a spine once every few weeks.
I have yet to see Hillary do that since she entered the Senate.
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Darkamber Donating Member (507 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 07:09 PM
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26. And atleast he's putting his foot down on the Bolton matter...
Personally, I'ld support Biden over Hillary any day of the week, but I think we will loose with any Senator running...or any NE Senator and that includes them both. We need to look South.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 06:06 PM
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21. is Joe Biden completely out of touch with reality? He will get more flak
from Dems than republicans if he runs.





Hillbilly Hitler art:



Blog:




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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 06:41 PM
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24. Your graphic says it all
for me. And I don't like the choices..2008 is political light years away.

biden can suck elephant eggs..

I say.."aww fuck it".
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election_2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 06:21 PM
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23. Why should EITHER of them be nominated?
Can't the Democrats do a whole lot better than Miss Inevitable and Mr. Plagarism?

Yes, they can!

http://www.lincoln2008.com
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 09:40 PM
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36. How is one DLC'er any better than the other two?
We CAN do better than Biden or Hillary. But looking to From's Flunkies ain't the way.
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election_2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 07:23 AM
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40. Just because a candidate belongs to the DLC....
...that doesn't automaticlaly mean they wouldn't be a good president.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 07:20 PM
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28. Biden? Bill would be laughing his butt off if he read this.
Hillary would wipe the floor with Biden.
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LSdemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 07:28 PM
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29. There is no way in hell that Biden will ever get the nomination
Heck, Lieberman probably has a better chance, due to his name recognition.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 07:46 PM
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30. I'm wondering if he's trying to take the heat off of Hillary with this.
They have to have something worked out, here. There's no way they'd go up against each other directly.
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LSdemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 07:52 PM
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31. I really don't think Hillary and Biden are that similar to each other
I don't think that they really have the same supporter base. I'd firmly place Biden as a Joe Lieberman type, on the center/center-right wing of the party, while I consider Hillary to be much more in line with the views of most Democrats.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 09:04 PM
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33. As someone at Kos once said
where is the "gun in mouth" option?

I guess, I'd pick Hillary over Biden. I suppose, I'd vote for either one if they were the nominee. Would NOT be a happy camper. But I don't believe in supporting a third party for prez.

Be I gotta tell ya, if the Repub was someone I could stomach, like Hagel, I'd find myself at least giving that guy a look. Not that I'd necessarily vote for him. I'd have to see evidence that that person was bringing his party from the brink. I'd have to see 2006 as a year when the Repubs pulled themselves from the social conservative brink. That would determine if I'd even give a Repub the barest look.

But Biden esp. would drive me to do just that, I think, even more than Hillary.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 09:34 PM
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35. Okay, your post is hysterical. And very insightful, in that you point
Edited on Sun Jun-19-05 09:34 PM by BlueIris
out one thing I had forgotten: I swear to God, in '08, I will make good on my promise, as I did on the one I made after '00, to support, campaign on behalf of, give money to and vote for whatever is next to Democrat on my ballot. UNLESS, perhaps, we wind up with a situation in which the "Democrat" nominated by our party...isn't. Like, if it's Lieberman or something. For the official record, I don't think Biden and/or HIllary are quite as bad as Joe...yet. But it's still a (relatively) long way until July/August of 2008. They've both got some credibility left to slaughter. If we wind up with a "Democrat" in the Lieberman sense? Then--yeah, I'll be seriously considering what the G.O.P. has to offer.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 09:26 PM
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34. This poll is perverse. Might as well have been Jeb vs. MJ.
Which is actually a "choice" I was asked to make recently. I couldn't.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 09:47 PM
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37. Biden is a neocon Democrat and a spent Cold Warrior
Hillary will triangulate, but we can work with her, and she will be effective in the Oval Office.
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KnowerOfLogic Donating Member (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 10:13 PM
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38. I won't vote for any war supporters. nt
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