jmcon007
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Sun Jun-19-05 09:51 PM
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Democrats will win the Whitehouse in 2008. |
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I'm not overconfident and I'm certainly not saying we need to relax. On the contrary, we've gotten this far because of the huge bonfire we've lit under ourselves to get the truth out about the Bushies.
But, I heard Cheney commenting the other day that while he wouldn't be running for President, whoever does run as a Republican will have to be someone who will carry on what Bush has started.
Can you think of a better sound bite for Democrats to use in the campaign?
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Sun Jun-19-05 09:53 PM
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They won't run Guiliani or McCain; they'll run Frist or Santorum. Perhaps by 2008 the Connservative Fundamentalist base will be all they have to run on.
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Mon Jun-20-05 12:37 AM
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10. They'll only run one of those two if they intend to lose. n/m |
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Mon Jun-20-05 11:48 AM
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27. and for once gays and women won't be the scapegoats |
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Mon Jun-20-05 11:49 AM
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28. and for once gays and women won't be the scapegoats |
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Mon Jun-20-05 11:50 AM
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29. and for once gays and women won't be the scapegoats. |
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Mon Jun-20-05 01:59 PM
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33. I think Hagel could also be running |
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Someone posted his seat isn't up until 2008 and he recently was vocal about Iraq. I have read that he was against Iraq in 2003 though. And he's apart of Bilderberg as well so that will give him more of a chance. I think Frist is done with personally. So we have McCain, Santorum and maybe Hagel. Any governor's?
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Sun Jun-19-05 09:54 PM
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2. Voters don't count - the voting machines are fixed. |
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Sun Jun-19-05 09:57 PM
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...what if the Dem candidate is so far ahead that the vote theft would be totally obvious?
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Mon Jun-20-05 09:05 AM
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15. Good question. Depends on who's doing the polling. And the exit |
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polls. Last I heard the repubs wanted the exit polls stopped because it caused too much discussion and was always challenging the repub candidate. Seems the exit polls are never wrong about Democrats.
There was a lot of discussion this last election about the polls being fixed in favor of the repubs.
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Mon Jun-20-05 09:57 AM
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I thought that they 'explained' the polls as being biased toward the Democrats...that the pollsters 'sought out' Kerry voters. :shrug: I had not seen anything that the Republicans were favored...wait, are you talking about the polls before the Nov 2nd?
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Mon Jun-20-05 01:55 PM
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32. Yes, Zogby etc. Democrats are more than 50% of the population, |
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but the pollsters interview more republicans. Even with that, the repub candidate will be down 5%, but after the machine elections, they are 5% ahead. And this only happens to repub candidates. This is statistically impossible.
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Mon Jun-20-05 10:06 AM
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22. It was "obvious" in Ohio. So confident was the Kerry campaign on election |
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night, that we didn't even have to call the west coast after the Ohio polls closed. At the hotel party on Nov 2, at 1:30 am when I was leaving with a sick feeling in my heart, the Kerry campaign staffers were still saying, "don't worry our "boiler room" says we won and won big.
They knew and yet conceded so quickly. Don't count on fair elections!
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Mon Jun-20-05 09:51 AM
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19. this must be a priority! if we dont "fix the fix" then it doesnt matter |
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how many more votes we get they wont be counted
this has to be a priority
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Mon Jun-20-05 11:43 AM
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Sun Jun-19-05 09:55 PM
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3. It will be the flag covered hero, America's Mayor. |
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Because 9-11 will continue to scare people who want bombs dropped to feel safe. It matters not where they are dropped, as long as they are.
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Mon Jun-20-05 12:44 AM
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13. No way... It won't be Rudy because... |
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If he never runs, his icon status stays intact for the rest of his life.
If he DOES run.. the man has so many skeletans in his closet, it's a dream come true for Democrats! :bounce:
Remember! September 11th made that man.
Remember what a joke he was before that????
He won't want to risk losing his hero image by reopening the "Rudy before 911"
No way he'll run.. :rofl:
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Mon Jun-20-05 09:41 AM
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18. 'skeletans in his closet' |
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I've heard of them being bleached but never tanned!
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Sun Jun-19-05 09:55 PM
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4. I thought the same in 2004. Bottom line, We need to pull one or two ..... |
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Mon Jun-20-05 12:27 AM
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8. Or Ohio, Iowa, Nevada, New Mexico, or Montana |
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Of course a Southern state would be desirable for the Dems, I think their chances are better in other parts of the country. I don't think the South is lost for good, but it is going to require an economic populist candidate who can really raise working class issues. Unfortunately with the influence of the DLC economic populism is thrown out in favor of moving the candidates further to the right. When the Democrats lose their spine they lose elections.
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Mon Jun-20-05 12:43 AM
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12. But, we have to have someone WORK down here |
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not just put someone on the ticket because they have an accent from down here.
Geesch.
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Mon Jun-20-05 09:14 AM
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16. I think Dean's 50 state strategy is working on that |
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North Carolina has gotten DNC money and staff in it's state since the campaign started. Let's hope that they are making use of their resources wisely.
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Mon Jun-20-05 09:37 AM
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17. To be Honest I think the South is lost to us unless......... |
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We have a "strong" Southerner on the ticket. Not a Weakling like Edwards was.
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Mon Jun-20-05 11:40 AM
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25. The South is lost until the poor white voters become enlightened |
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and stop voting racism and religion.
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Sun Jun-19-05 09:58 PM
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6. Not unless the rigged voting machines are thrown out, replaced |
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Sun Jun-19-05 10:40 PM
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Only the machines that count them.
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jmcon007
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Mon Jun-20-05 12:27 AM
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9. We need a voting paper trail. |
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This has to become a very high priority issue as soon as we can make it one. If nothing else, we force the neocon leaders to refuse to allow a vote for legislation requiring paper-receipt voting machines.
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Mon Jun-20-05 12:40 AM
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11. Paper ballots, not paper trail |
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They can still do anything with your vote once they have it in their machine; a receipt can't tell you how it was counted behind the scenes.
I know there are pitfalls to every method, but hand-counted paper ballots is the one of the most secure methods of voting.
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Mon Jun-20-05 01:39 AM
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the House in 2006. Get busy NOW! And more seats in the Senate. Hopefully Bingamen will win in NM. Pete Dominici is safe until 2008 unfortunately.
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Mon Jun-20-05 10:02 AM
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21. We won the whitehouse in 2000 and 2004, if proprietary source code |
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and machines are to be used what makes you think we will win in 2008? This is why the pugs are not as concerned as one would think they should be.
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Mon Jun-20-05 11:18 AM
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23. Seriously, unless there is a Democratic takeover of Diebold, |
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Mon Jun-20-05 11:37 AM
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24. I heard a psychic predict the US political climate a few years ago ... |
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This was back in 2002, and I certainly hope it's true. I discounted it at the time because I was certain that voters would turn Bush and Cheney out in 2004. The prediction was this:
George W. Bush would serve two terms in office. After that, the Republicans wouldn't win the White House again for over 50 years.
With the DSM revelations -- and talk that the government is covering up the deaths of thousands of American soldiers in Iraq -- and with more and more people questioning the official September 11th scenarios -- this prediction may actually make some sense.
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Mon Jun-20-05 01:15 PM
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I read a prediction also...just recently...that said, Jeb is going to run in "08" and WIN....but 2 years into his disastrous presidency, the american military, would step in and remove him forcibly from office...and at that time, ask the Dems/Rep's to come up with a moderate and equally balanced new gov't to take over... Personally, I like your prediction much better.. windbreeze
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Mon Jun-20-05 01:26 PM
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31. If they rig/win '06.. W will run again... think no way.. think again.. |
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the changes to the "laws" needed to allow a 3rd term has already been written! These people think big, and they plan to take the remaining seats in Congress need to have a super majority and thus carte-blanche(whatever they want)! This is why we must win the house and IMPEACH him in '07. The backlash will give us control of all 3 branchs in '08! So its either dictatorship or "democracy"!
Then we can get to work rooting out Dems that dont support progressive reality based programs!
I believe the next few years will be unprecedented! So hang on.. its going to be a bumpy ride!
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