Which candidate would make you not vote dem (or not want to) in 2008?

[The Straight Story]

Biden? Lieberman? Etc and so on. Not that you would vote (R) based on who they are but A: not vote, B: vote green, C: vote dem and feel like it was a waste of time, etc.

Who would you fight either against or not vote for, etc, if they got the nomination. Would you just clam up after the nomination and post good things about them (and slam the rethug) and work to get them in office? If you could not post negative issues in regards tp that person on DU would you avoid threads about them all together?

[Birthmark]

1. Any that voted for the Iraq War.

Period. They didn't do their jobs and don't deserve my vote.

[cdsilv]

3. HRC - I don't think she can win......

... I really think we'll have to have a 'dark horse' candidate who comes out of nowhere, unless we have Wes Clark.

[election_2004]

25. "Dark horse"

http://www.lincoln2008.com

[haydukelives]

9. Ditto n/t

[Ian David]

30. They were LIED TO when they voted for it. Iraq supposedly had WMDs

I really don't blame them THAT much.

When Colin Powell stood at the podium and pointed to biological and chemical weapons sites, I believed him.

I didn't trust Bush, but I trusted Colin Powell.

With the information we were being fed at the time, I would have voted for the war.

Here's who I wouldn't vote for:

John Kerry
Al Sharpton
Joe Biden
Joe Lieberman
Zell Miller

And I'm "on the fence" about Hillary Clinton.

[Birthmark]

41. They were complicit.

They failed to ask the simple, skeptical questions that would have prevented them from being deceived. Such slovenly or credulous behavior shouldn't be rewarded with the White House.

[JackDragna]

61. Ditto.

Particularly ones who say crap about "staying the course" or otherwise deflecting blame from the administration. I can play realpolitik with the best of them, but I will not forgive anyone who bought into the lies for political expediency and ended up supporting the destruction of an entire country.

[BayouBengal07]

2. I would have to suck it up to go with Lieberman.

I would still probably sit in front of the student union and hand out Lieberman stickers, but it would be REALLY hard to get motivated and excited. What would I tell people to convince them to vote for him? How would I sound inspired?

[JI7]

4. Zell Miller

[TheFarseer]

8. At least pick someone that might run. n/t

[JI7]

10. of those likely to run i would support any of them

[Wetzelbill]

5. Maybe Joe Biden.

[BattyDem]

6. I wouldn't vote for Biden, Lieberman or any other DINO

Enough is enough! I'm tired of supporting every Dem simply because they're a Dem. We all did that in 2000, 2002, 2004 - and it's gotten us nothing except 3 rigged elections and Dems who are silent on the issue of election fraud. I'm fed up with Dems who want to "make nice" or are determined to be "GOP light" - I want someone who will fight for us!

Lately, many Dems have found their backbone and have been standing up to the Repugs. That's the kind of Dem I want as a candidate in 2008.

[mike_c]

7. there are lots of them....

Clark, Lieberman, Edwards, Biden, Kerry, Clinton come to mind. Clark is probably numero uno no-no, IMO. I'm finished with the lesser evil....

[TheFarseer]

11. Bearing in mind that I'm not in a swing state

and I feel free to protest vote: Hillary, Leiberman, Kerry (not again!) that's probably it out of the people that might run.

[BlackVelvet04]

12. Clark,..........

Biden, Lieberman.

[Crunchy Frog]

13. To tell you the truth, most of the ones that are currently being talked

about. I'm sort of teetering on the brink of going Green right now, and I have voted Green in the past. There's a few potential candidates that I haven't learned enough about to have formed a solid opinion one way or another. I won't trash anyone on this board though.

[BlueIris]

14. Biden, Hillary, Lieberman and Kucinich are sick-making.

But of those four, er, um, uh, I'd probably have to go with Dennis. Probably. Wouldn't make me feel safe, though. At least he was pro-life and is now pro-choice, unlike the others.

[burrowowl]

18. Kucinich

VOTED AGAINST THE WAR and was against before Dean ever even thought about it!

[BlueIris]

22. ...? I didn't post that he didn't.

Huh? Just...what?

[Ian David]

32. The one thing I don't like about Kucinich...

The idiot wants to spend government medicaid / medicare money on alternative "medicine."

That's just what we need: another faith-based program, but this one based on voodoo and magic.

Sorry, that's when Kucinich lost my vote forever.

Plus, he looks weird and has "crazy eyes."

[Sparkly]

15. I can't think of one single Democrat that would make me change my vote

nor would any make me NOT vote.

It's not just about the candidate, it's about the whole party behind him/her.

And I feel my vote is a civic duty.

I will never not vote, and as far as I can see into the future, I will never not vote for a Democrat for anything, ever.

[Ian David]

33. Not even Sharpton or Zell Miller?

[Skwmom]

16. Any Blank Check Democrat who voted for the war. To reward someone

who sent our sons and daughters, mothers and fathers off to die because of future political ambitions would only serve to encourage such deplorable, self-serving behavior by future elected officials.

[CoffeeCat]

17. I don't want Hillary at all...

I am upset that the media is drumming up support for a Hillary run.

I don't like the idea of her running.

She's not a true progressive.

Her cozy relationship with the BFEE troubles me greatly. There is no gray area with the BFEE who lies, cheats, destroys Democracy, steals elections, tortures, lies us into war, etc. You have to be against them and discussing their crimes daily--or not. I don't like ambivalence when it comes to the unAmerican Bushistas. How can someone hobnob or have drinks with such horrible people?

I want a true progressive to run; someone who is not afraid to stand up and speak out against the BushCo atrocities. We are torturing people. We're embroiled in a war that is based on lies. We're killing thousands of innocents. I don't hear Hillary much on this. She seems to be playing all sides.

We don't need a "politician" at the helm. We need someone who is going to save this country.

The next president will determine whether our democracy is saved--or whether we continue down the path of corruption, corporatism and fascist bullpuckey.

We need someone really special. I will leave the Dem party if it's Hillary.

[AntiCoup2K4]

19. I will not vote for any DLC candidates

Their destructive hold on this party is ending, and they know it. That is why they strike out in fear and hatred against Dean and others who openly oppose them. They will not choose the next nominee.

[LittleClarkie]

20. I would vote for Lieberman over Biden or Hillary

I see him as more honest in his positions even if I disagree wildly. He has an integrity I don't see in Biden.

My order would be:
Hillary over Biden and Leiberman
Leiberman over Biden
Biden over anyone who even vaguely looks like a Bush style Repub
A moderate Repub over Biden

Biden makes Hillary look good to me, and I didn't think that was possible.

Conversely:
Kerry over Clark
Clark over most of the rest of the field

[fujiyama]

21. I agree for the most part

I don't think I've ever seen a politician quite as confused and self serving as Biden. He seems to talk out of both sides of his mouth.

Though ultimately, I'd still vote for him over even a moderate repuke.

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[election_2004]

24. Hillary

After her behavior as a U.S. Senator, she will never have my support for president. Ever.

Besides, I'll be living in California (which she would carry easily if she was the nominee), so it's not like my piddly little vote would tilt California's 55 electoral votes away from her.

As far as the others: Bayh, Warner, Clark, Richardson, Lincoln, Bredesen, Feingold, Vilsack, Edwards, Kerry....I'd support any of them in a heartbeat!!! (provided that none of them do a "Zell" on the LGBT community)

Not sure who I'll be supporting in the primaries...that will depend on who decides to run, and what the field looks like.

[Tesha]

26. Any that voted for war. Any that criticize Dean.

Any that don't stand up for *REAL* Democratic ideals.

Tesha

[ElectroPrincess]

27. Dean now supports continued occupation

Biden - I will NOT vote for that two-faced jerk.

[GreenArrow]

28. Biden, Hillary, Lieberman, Warner, Bayh, Edwards are all

no-go's for starters. I won't vote for any of the above. Plenty more I'd say no to. Easier to make a list of the ones I would vote for -- much shorter list.

[sadiesworld]

29. Any who supports our current trade policies and/or voted for the war.

(quite a bit of overlap there).

[OKNancy]

31. None

Because the worst Democrat is 10 times better than the best goddamn Republican.

There is not one single REALISTICALLY possible 2008 Democrat who is not ten times better than any of the names REALISTICALLY bandied about on the Republican side.

[sadiesworld]

34. Joe Biden is ten times better than John McCain?

:shrug:

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

36. It says more about how awful McCain is than Biden's redeeming

qualities. And make no mistake, Biden is horrible.

[OKNancy]

38. Yes - McCain is a right-wing/ anti-choice Republican

Biden is pro-choice, McCain isn't
Biden voted against the constitutional amendment against gay marriage
McCain voted for it
Biden voted for hate crimes legislation, McCain against

and on and on

Biden has a 95% rating from Americans for Democratic Action, the oldest and most respected liberal ranking group in the US

McCain has a 35% rating.

To compare their voting records:
http://www.adaction.org/ADATodayVR2004.pdf

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[OKNancy]

46. I have respect for him because of his Vietnam

experience, but he is a Bush lackey ( since 2001), and until recently, supporting Bush in every way. In fact he really didn't go that much against Bush yesterday. McCain is a right winger pure and simple.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

47. McCain has lost my respect...

I am a Dem who had been impressed with McCain for the reasons you mentioned.

But watching his actions during the lead-up to the invasion and since has left me utterly disgusted. He should be out in front on condeming our invasion of Iraq -- 1700 men and women of the Armed Forces have died because of Bush lies -- with his silence he is complicent in their deaths.

He continues to shill for Bush and for the invasion/occupation, though I am glad to hear him speaking out on the treatment of the prisoners at Gitmo and their need for trials.

The one Republican I have respect for these days is Chuck Hagel. He has been strong and vocal in his opposition to what we are doing in Iraq, Abu Ghraib, and Gitmo.

[LynneSin]

60. Great, he worked us into giving 3 extremist judge positions...

...by playing on the moderate dems of the party.

FUCK MCCAIN!

[sadiesworld]

55. McCain gets points for attempts at campaign finance reform.

Biden gets points for being to the left on social issues. But, at the end of the day, they're both warmongering corporate whores and I wouldn't vote for either of them.

(warner or Paul might have been better examples, but I think you get my point)

[WePurrsevere]

35. First of all.... NOT voting...

... in an important election such as president is NEVER an option as far as I'm concerned. I could be on my death bed and would have someone get me to the darn polling place or at the vry least do an absentee ballot.

There's not a realistic potential democratic candidate that I can think of off hand that I absolutely would not at least consider voting for however *IF* there were a realistic and truly viable Independant candidate that believed and stood up for all that I believe in for our country I'd give them some very serious consideration and possibly a vote over a Dem.

[Steely_Dan]

37. Mario Cuomo

[Lydia Leftcoast]

39. All the people who are being eagerly suggested in this forum:

(by their staffers?)

Biden
Lieberman
Hillary Clinton
Bayh
Warner

They're all either sell-outs or empty suits. I don't want someone whose main virtue is "name recognition." I don't want someone who just "looks presidential." I don't want someone who plays buddy-buddy with Republicans and badmouths traditional Dems. I don't want someone who votes to make life more difficult for ordinary people.

I want someone with guts. I want someone who, as one of my old sig lines said, is "As wily as serpents but as innocent as doves." I want someone with a track record of standing up for the little person. I want someone who knows the difference between compromise and abject surrender. I want someone with a few "no surrender" principles. I want someone who can communicate effectively with people of all social classes. I want someone who is not afraid to state clear differences from the Republicans.

This tactic of "Let's run someone who doesn't scare the Republicans" has twice given us elections within stealable margins.

[Darkamber]

40. Hillary...

She is the only one that would make me seriously question my party and how to vote. I don't want someone who is 'moving to the center' now as a political move. Someone who moved to NY as a political move.

[nickshepDEM]

42. I will vote for whoever receives the nomaintion, period.

[LynneSin]

44. Well after Nadar used the N-word, I'd vote for Bush before I vote for him

ANd that's saying a hell of alot. Fortunately there will always been a democrat on the ticket even if I have to hold my nose as I vote

http://www.salon.com/ent/col/fix/2005/06/17/fri/index.html

Sharpton vs. Nader? Al Sharpton has lashed out at Ralph Nader for using the N-word during a speech at a Washington fundraiser on Wednesday night. Griping about having been kept off the ballot in certain Southern states during his 2004 presidential campaign, Nader said it made him feel like a victim of the old Jim Crow laws. "I felt like a ," Nader told the crowd, explaining later that he'd meant it "as a word of defiance" -- as the Black Panthers did in the '60s. But Sharpton said, "He's not a Black Panther," adding that, while he doesn't think Nader's a racist, "he ought to be sensitive that he does not sanitize that word." (Lloyd Grove's Lowdown)

[JHBowden]

45. CLARK

Just kidding! (I just want to annoy the Clark cultists here....)

I would support any Democratic nominee that makes through our primary system, even Liebershit. I have had enough of the Republicans and don't want to see someone crazier than Bush like Allen or Owens in the White House.

[SaveElmer]

48. Zell Miller...and that's it

There is no other Democrat that I can think of that would not be better than the current buffoon...including Lieberman.

Of course there are some that would be better than others...my opinion is that Hillary would be our best candidate!

[Gormy Cuss]

49. Clinton

I would put up and shut up. I'd vote for her over any of the likely candidates on the GOP side but I dislike family dynasties in politics at the national level. No more Presidents Bush, Clinton,or Kennedy for a few generations please. Washington is already enough of an elitist club.

I'm not interested in seeing a moderate Democrat get the nod. It's time for a radical change. If the nominee is Lieberman, I'd probably vote Green.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

50. I am taking the Tough Love approach with the Dems....

during the next Presidential election.

Out of party loyalty I have voted Dem since I first registered to vote, but in 2008 they will have to earn my vote.

They cannot be DLC (as modeled by Al Fromm)/PNAC, they cannot be in support of the Iraq invasion, they must be Fair trade not Free trade, they must not actively work against Roe v. Wade, and they must be fearless in their committment to truth and traditional Democratic values.

If a candidate is nominated that I feel I cannot vote for in good conscious, I will not actively work for them and I will write in my Democratic choice.

On DU, I will not "clam up" about any candidate.

[lojasmo]

51. Any Bush enabler...specifically

anybody who voted for IWR, patriot act, and NCLB...

Kerry
Edwards
Clinton
Biden
Gep

[tinfoilinfor2005]

52. None. I will vote for a dem. (Zell is not a dem, so don't go there).

And as for McCain? He may be the number one deciding factor (besides diebolt) as to why bush is in office today.

[FubarFly]

53. There is absolutely 0% chance I would vote for Joe Biden.

The problem with the Democratic Party is that it is essentially an unholy marriage of two Parties, with contrary and competing interests.
From corporate regulations to foreign policy, there are very few issues in which I agree with Joe Biden. The common ground we do have in no way spans the huge chasm we have over very fundamental issues. I will never support a candidate who thinks it is okay to murder children in exchange for..what? Why are we in Iraq again, Joe?

So what should we do? I begin by saying, given where we are now, coupled with Saddam Hussein being in material breach -- that is a fancy phrase for saying not explaining what he has done with the weapons of mass destruction we know he has -- those two things may force us to choose between the better of two not-so- pleasant options.

The option I would choose in this circumstance, even if we do not get world support, is to act. Saddam is in material breach of the latest U.N. resolution.
Yesterday's damning report by the U.N. inspectors makes clear again Saddam's contempt for the world and it has vindicated the President's decision last fall to go to the U.N. The legitimacy of the Security Council is at stake, as well as the integrity of the U.N. So if Saddam does not give up those weapons of mass destruction and the Security Council does not call for the use of force, I
think we have little option but to act with a larger group of willing nations, if possible, and alone if we must. Saddam must disarm or be disarmed.

http://www.themoderntribune.com/new_page_4.htm

And now that that rationale has turned out to be bullshit, you are now properly outraged. Right Joe?

“The decision to go to war was the right one, but every decision they’ve made since Saddam fell was a mistake.”

http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/index.ssf?050321fa_fact

So even though Saddam didn't have WMD, even though Iraq wasn't an imminent threat, despite the fact that 10's of thousands of innocent humans died for no justifiable reason, the Iraq Invasion was the right thing to do, except for, gosh..if only we were more efficient warmongers.



Fuck Joe Biden.

[GreenPartyVoter]

54. Given the way that federal elections have been rigged the last few times

around I am not sure it matters who we vote for POTUS. The GOP is already poised to "win".

[Lydia Leftcoast]

57. Or else get someone into the Dem spot who won't cause

too much trouble for them.

[MadHound]

56. Any Dem who takes corporate money,

Which excludes all of them, excepting for Kucinich. Thus, if he runs, I will vote for him in the primary, and if some other corporate whore Dem wins, I will be voting for the Greens. I'm tired of the two party/same corporate master system of government, and I'm not going to contribute to it any more.

[DemBones DemBones]

58. I'm going with the "Tough Love" approach, as Hell Hath No Fury

christened it. I've been a registered Democrat since I started voting in 1968 and after the Clinton impeachment farce I vowed I'd never again even vote for a Republican for dogcatcher.

Now, though, I'm disgusted with the actions and inaction of most Democrats since 2000 and no longer believe there's much difference, on a national level, between the aims of the GOP and the Democratic Party. I think the DLC is going to push a candidate on us again, very likely Hillary Clinton, and I'm not buying it again.

I just won't vote in the future if I don't think the candidates are what they should be. Or I'll vote but only for those I can support, leaving other races blank or filling in the names of write in candidates as needed. And I sure as hell won't waste several hundred dollars supporting another presidential candidate who "plays chess" all through his campaign.

[mrgorth]

59. I'd go Green

before voting for Hillary.