Admit it, Howard Dean needs to tone it down and shut up......

[Wetzelbill]

Doesn't he understand that Dems in Washington still need to be civil and go to inside-the-beltway cocktail affairs? What's he thinking anyway?

Just look at the winning strategy the status quo Dems have served up in the last several elections since 2000. Why would Howard Dean want to mess with that record of success?

[killbotfactory]

1. Dean will be the death of the democratic party!!!!

Republicans and corporate-whore democrats keep saying so, and they're never wrong!!

[renaissanceguy]

26. Yup, just like how he killed our chances of

winning in 2004. Had he not spoken up, we would've had an even worse candidate and people scared to defy shrubbie.



http://www.cafepress.com/liberalissues/472476

[DemBones DemBones]

31. A WORSE candidate?

I liked John Kerry and supported him wholeheartedly but the guy didn't stand up for himself and we kept hearing how he was playing chess with his opponents. The only sign of chess play I ever saw from him was that he sacrificed his queen long before he had to.

Or were you perhaps employing :sarcasm: ?

[killbotfactory]

45. Lieberman would have had a clean sweep of Bush!

Oh why didn't we go with the Joementum?! Whyyyyyyyy!?

[renaissanceguy]

48. A clean sweep bending over?

Doubt it.

[Larkspur]

34. Good!! The Dem Party needs to die so it can be reborn!

Reborn as a populist force to "shiver the timbers" of the corporate-whorse, aka DLC and Repukes.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

2. I think that Dr. Howie...

Needs to go to some of those cocktail parties, whip it out and piss on a few legs.

[gumby]

4. Yeah, pissing on people seems

to be the right-wing's new definition of vacation spa.

[TexasLawyer]

23. Oh yeah--

and tell 'em it's raining, as Al Sharpton would say.

[NYCGirl]

3. Damn, no more great cocktail parties!

And those oil company execs are so generous, too.

:evilgrin:

[wtmusic]

5. The "framing" and "presentation" debate is getting very tiresome

when the VP can tell a senator to "fuck off" and not be held accountable, the gloves are off

[sendero]

49. actually...

.... I think it was "go fuck yourself" :)

[gratuitous]

6. Oh, absolutely!

All the conventional wisdom shapers say that he's just pandering to Democratic voters, and discounting the shapers of conventional wisdom! Doesn't he know he's supposed to kowtow to all the campaign professionals? Why would the chairman of the Democratic National Committee say things that the rank and file Democrats would like? Those people are totally accustomed to getting pissed on.

[NYCGirl]

7. You're right. Screw the base. We got 'em in the palm of our hand.

Where are they going to go anyway?
:evilgrin:

[rwheeler31]

8. I don't think so.

nt

[dweller]

9. can't wait for the Kucinich thread...

you're on a roll WBill.

dp

[FreedomAngel82]

10. Why?

Why shouldn't he be able to say what he feels? He has his own voice y'know. Just like you do or I do. If someone doesn't like it oh well. They can disagree. Dean's job is to energize the base and do grassroot work and campaign around the country speaking to people and encouraging them to vote democratic. If someone doesn't vote for a democratic canidate they like because of what Dean says (or said) then they really don't share the parties values anyways and are showing they are ashamed or something. Just because Dean says something that others don't agree with doesn't mean I'm going to stop voting democratic and/or condemn him.

[Jim Sagle]

11. That's right. How can we restart our Joementum when Howard is saying

all these terrible things about the Republicans?

[Wetzelbill]

13. Joementum! That cracks me up

[Lecky]

12. Dean is just fine

I think he really bothers the right, and I find that to be an endearing quality. :P

No really, I like him...he got my attention, and for the first time ever I have donated to the DLC. I don't think he is as crazy as the right spins him out to be. He's passionate for his country and his party and we need that energy.

Republicans always play that fake confidence card and say: "yeah we love Dean, he's great for the RNC!" thinking it's supposed to scare us away. I can't count the amount of times I have heard some Bushite say that. I also thought it was funny when the republicans tried to argue that they were NOT "pretty much a white Christian party." The nerve!



(psst and I think he's hot)

[CAG]

15. He tells it like it is, but to be frank, he could be a whole lot more

tactful and intelligent about it.
He says things without thinking way too often, in my opinion. The "pretty much a white Christian party" might play well in some quarters, but in much of America it does not. Does he think its odd that I, as a white christian, am in the democratic party?? Personally, I'm a democrat BECAUSE I'm a christian.

He needs to be just as fiery and progressive as he has been, but tone down some of the more reckless, nonconstructive comments.

[Lecky]

16. He's a white Christian too though

He was just saying that democrats were a more diverse group, we care for all Americans.

If he were to be running for president I may be a bit worried, but I think he's perfect as a re-energizer for our party. Just my opinion though...

[renaissanceguy]

27. I think had he added the word "only"

somewhere in that sentence, it would've been more clear: The repug party is ONLY for white christians.

A little logic 101:

"If repug, then Christian" DOES NOT MEAN "if Christian, then repug"

http://www.cafepress.com/liberalissues.14741193

[ieoeja]

33. I believe he did.

I remember seeing the exact quote in which that meaning was obvious. The RW are, of course, paraphrasing.

[NYCGirl]

36. No, he did not use the word "only." He said they are "pretty much a white

Christian party," which is undoubtedly true.

Here's a filmclip of the speech:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/object/article?f=/chronicle/archive/2005/06/07/MNdean07.TMP&o=1



Of course, if you are just participating in the sarcasm portion of this post, here's my answer:

The right-wing paraphrasing? Taking things out of context? No. They'd NEVER do such a thing.

[Leafy Geneva]

42. Dean himself, admits that he is not perfect.

He admits that he could improve the effectiveness of his words by increasing the clarity of his words. And he will do that. He's a smart guy.

This is not to say, however that the things he has said are wrong or that they have hurt Democrats - only that they could have been even more effective if they had been even more clear.

[iconoclastNYC]

51. BLAME THE MEDIA, not dean.

Where was the media firestorm over the former RNC chairman who said that Democrats are not real Americans?

(crickets)

Dean doesn't need to win over republicans he needs to win back democrats and he's doing that in spades!

BRAVO DEAN!

[kath]

20. ummm, I hope you donated to the DNC, not the DLC. Big difference.

[Lecky]

25. LOL

I noticed that when it was too late to edit

[Crunchy Frog]

14. He needs to get out of the way for REAL Democrats...

like Joe Biden.:evilgrin:












(I hope that everyone understands that this post was intended as :sarcasm: )

[NYCGirl]

17. LOL!

[Wetzelbill]

19. Yeah that was funny huh?

[Ikonoklast]

18. There must be another Joe Biden.......

.....because the one that I know sucks elephant.

[JaneQPublic]

28. Howard Dean doesn't speak for Joe Biden... but Neil Kinnock does. (nt)

[KittyWampus]

21. Nah, While Some Of His Comments Rub Me The Wrong Way, In The End

it doesn't matter. He's doing a great job.

If I had my way, Dean would have a long time aide who knows him very well working on phrases and such.

Not a handler, but someone to bat stuff around with for practise.

[Tom Rinaldo]

22. Just when Democrats were getting comfortable being the minority

that damn Dean comes along and gets people all upset again. He just can't leave bad enough alone.

[HR_Pufnstuf]

24. Time to get...

"Lean, Mean and Dean"

[Joey Liberal]

29. Dean is okay

Quit being such wimps.

[NuttyFluffers]

30. you are quite right, vascillating sycophancy is truly the way to go.

i mean, the entirity of america is wholly confident in democrats, hence their recent record of success. when one becomes so gauche as to say what one means you are dangerously treading upon political destruction. the people want to be manipulated and ignored by leaders frozen by their own timidity. it's inspiring!

whenever we reach out to our base of voters, y'know, 3 weeks before an election, we need to remind them who was it that pandered to their concerns, even though no effort was put into it, each and every time it was politically expedient. it seems they don't understand or appreciate the laborious effort that goes into vertebrae-less subservience. have they no understanding how hard it is to slither from one side of the capitol to the other? the amount of lobbying money strewn before us to block out path is truly excruciating to endure. we really *feel* our constituency's pain... why can't they feel ours?

[smartvoter]

32. You're absolutely right. We need to accept our place as losers. nt

[ieoeja]

35. He's sure no Terry McAuliffe

I will never forget Terry celebrating the results of the 2004 election, even going so far as to call it a "victory", because the Democratic Party raised more money than the Republican Party for the first time in decades.

Sure, we got creamed in the polling place, but we got more MONEY!

[demokatgurrl]

37. Howard Dean absolutely should NOT shut up.

The only value of the powerless, meaningless, emasculated position of DNC chair is having Howard Dean trying to make it into something worthwhile. If he shuts up, we all may as well fold our tents, register Republican, drink the Kool-aid, report for installation of the identity chip, go home and pull the covers over our heads. Because most of the rest of the Democratic party leaders (with a few notable exceptions like Boxer and the Clintons) are just bending over and taking what the Repubs and the MSM want to give them. It makes me sick.

[TroglodyteScholar]

38. NO NO NO

Being SAFE DEMS (affording the right more courtesy than they give us on their best day) has proven ineffective TIME AND TIME AGAIN.

Safe Dems = Good Germans

Safe Dems = Enablers of Tyranny

Safe Dems = Losers every goddamn time

[lojasmo]

39. Well, Dean said it long ago

"There's not one person in this room who's going to agree with everything I say....not one"

Dean needs to tear some asses apart....republican and otherwise.

[eauclaireliberal]

43. RE: "Well, Dean said it long ago"

He can start with Holy Joe and work his way to the rest of the bottom-feeders.

[eauclaireliberal]

40. What I'll admit is

that I should have voted for the Doc instead of Kerry.

Enough of this nice guy bullshit. Dean will scare the piss out of the Right. Long time coming.

[ZinZen]

41. I agree

I would go so far as saying a real DEM winner would be Al From. Dont' you just him winning TONS of votes? :wow:

[Dr Fate]

44. Yeah- he needs to stop talking about the DSM so much.

He is going to persoanly over-expose that one if he does not stop mentioning it in every appearance.

(Sarcasm off)

[LittleClarkie]

46. It's not binary

it's not "you're with Dean or you're with the Beltway boys"

I can be with Dean and sometimes cringe at some of the things he says. The binary crap is for Bushites.

[Ksec]

47. No, he needs to get louder and more blatant.

and Im serious.

No apologies, no prisoners, balls to the walls, baby.

[iconoclastNYC]

50. I agree 100%.....American people love nuace and respect defference

I agree 100%.....American people love nuace and respect defference to corruption of power!

[Totally Committed]

52. Dean is doing just fine, thank you...

people need to get off his back and let him attack, attack, attack!

The other panty-waists, appeasers, and apologists can just stay on their knees whimpering.... I appreciate a fighter!

Clark, Boxer, Conyers, and Dean!

TC