Kerry Action Expected Soon (Very Soon) on DSM!

[kerrygoddess]

Kerry Action Expected Soon on DSM
20 June 2005

{snip}
The blogosphere has been impatiently waiting (polite version) for word from John Kerry on the DSM. The Boston Herald has an article today, with more spin on what we already know, and a statement from Kerry spokesman David Wade.

{snip}
Although, Wade verified that Kerry will be addressing this, the Herald chose to frame the statement as a hit piece on Kerry, citing he has been “cautious on probing” the DSM.

As I pointed out here last Tuesday, what some might view as cautious or inactive, means nothing of the sort, “John Kerry has been doing what John Kerry does best… following through in a pragmatic manner on this issue to actually get something achieved.”

I further noted in my post last week, “John Kerry has had a full schedule in the past week, one set not by Democrats but by the Republicans who control the Senate.” There was mention of the heavy schedule set by the Republicans at the Conyers’ hearing on the DSM on Thursday.

Note the blogosphere: Good things are worth the wait.

An off the record source has just confirmed to me that we will not have much longer to wait.

Expect to hear more here on LUTD, soon, very soon…

http://www.lightupthedarkness.org/blog/default.asp?view=plink&id=1113

[mctrotter5]

1. Hope he comes out with both guns blazing, and words carefully

chosen for max impact. It would be great if he has taken this time to line up some loud allies in the Senate..

[kerrygoddess]

2. I think everyone will be pleased!

Except for the Repubs!

[Dr Ron]

64. Doubtful

Nothing Kerry does will please the die hard Kerry bashers.

[kerrygoddess]

71. True...

some people are never happy...

[rhett o rick]

164. Wont be pleased until he says he made a mistake voting for the IWAR

nt (lol)

[longship]

3. Good news on Kerry.

I'd like to see some action in the Senate similar to that in the House. I sincerely hope that things are moving towards the goal of keeping these very important documents at the forefront.

On edit: Recommended.

[LifeDuringWartime]

72. there need to be parallels for every action in each house

when the house holds a hearing, the senate should hold a hearing as well. if impeachment proceedings ever start, there should be senate hearings held to keep the senators informed and up to date.

[FreedomAngel82]

92. Remember he did have that letter going around

So maybe something is up. :shrug: Should be interesting.

[Pirate Smile]

4. Good to know you got your heads-up, kerrygoddess.

:)

I can't wait. Well, I can but I'm glad the waiting part is almost over.

[kerrygoddess]

11. Ha Ha! Me too!

:kick:

[iconoclastic cat]

5. Uh huh. I have a whole file of bookmarked posts like this one.

Something's always "about to happen" with Kerry.

[kerrygoddess]

9. Be glad...

You're not the one sticking you're credibility neck out there. I wish I could say more, but very soon is just that very soon...

[iconoclastic cat]

12. He's being paid to stick his neck out for his constituents.

[Sydnie]

13. Of which I am one -- I will not be disappointed

I know when he makes his move, it will be worth the wait.

[kerrygoddess]

14. misunderstood

I'm sticking my credibility neck out here everytime I post "off the record" head's up on Kerry.

He knows full well what he's paid for and he does a damn good job doing his job. Maybe you didn't read the full post on LUTD.

[iconoclastic cat]

16. I read it. I'm really not in the mood to start bashing Kerry.

Let's just say that I am presently impressed with the work currently being done by other Democrats in the Senate and House.

[kerrygoddess]

22. Yeah... they done nothing!

Oy! Give it a rest!

[FreedomAngel82]

93. I do know how you feel

I'm a full-out Kerry supporter and with anybody who claims stuff I get weary and don't want to get my hopes up because I've been disappointed in the past. About a week or two ago Dean said he had something about the election he was going to bring up but I haven't heard anything yet from that either. :shrug: I've heard some say he's waiting cause of the DSM. Well, why? They put out multiple events so why can't we?

[fooj]

19. Credibility? Is there a problem with the memo?

:patriot:

[MelissaB]

6. I'm ready!

:kick:

[Champion Jack]

7. I can predict the spin already

"he's a sore loser so he's bringing up these obviously forged documents..."

[iconoclastic cat]

17. And that's just on DU! /snare drum rimshot

[DemBones DemBones]

28. DU REALLY needs a

rimshot smiley! :hippie:

[iconoclastic cat]

79. We should have audio smilies too. It wouldn't be hard to have DU wired for

sound.

[Lochloosa]

110. Second the rim shot...

[In Truth We Trust]

8. fifty one days since they were released and counting..........wtf!

[TahitiNut]

10. It depends on what the meaning of "soon" is.

:eyes: An expectation is merely a premeditated resentment.

[kerrygoddess]

20. It's no expectation to me...

But that's all I can say for now. You can read into soon what you want but I think the implication is clear enough. Lucky, some people get this sort of info and can share.

[Paul Dlugokencky]

15. I Sure Hope So!

I was going to start a search on googlenews to see if I missed any Kerry "action" on the Downing Street Memo. My faith in him is getting shaky again, and this is from someone who supported him in '03 for '04.



http://www.cafepress.com/kickindemocrats

[bunny planet]

18. Thank you KerryGoddess. I look forward to whatever JK is going to say

on the subject.

[katinmn]

21. Great! Can't wait. :-) n/t

[meti57b]

23. If it were me, I would want to go over the evidence personally, in detail

before going public on it. I'll wait to see what Kerry comes up with.

I will say, I was not happy about his lack of effective response during the August swift boat thing during his campaign.

[FreedomAngel82]

94. Same here

You don't want to come out looking like a fool and not have everything planned out. These people are pure evil and manipulators at the best. Plus, remember Kerry is a prosecutor and has to have his ducks in a row. So, again, here's to hoping!

[Nordmadr]

112. I support this perspecitive whole heartedly.

You have to keep in mind that if this is going to proceed further, it is going to proceed in a legal framework. This requires careful planning and research. If you just jump out there and start running your mouth without making sure all your ducks are in a row, you can hurt your credibility later when you try to present your facts. I think that is why Kennedy came out first. He can fire everyone up, which he is good at, and Kerry can come in and be the calculating one.

Olaf

[Senior citizen]

24. Really! This time it is true! He will! I believe! I'm holding my breath!

Not.

[okieinpain]

119. yeah, kerry had his moment on this. I guess he still taking advise

from those same people that told him the swiftboat would lies would go away.

[Senior citizen]

120. Or that nobody would care if he went back on his promise

not to concede early.

Lives are being lost in Iraq as we speak. Kerry voted for the war and hasn't tried to stop it yet. I guess he only understands bad wars after he has personally killed people in them. I would love to see him try to speak before a Veterans for Peace group today--he has a lot to answer for to troops he should have stood up for.

[Broken Acorn]

25. I'm still waiting for him to count all the votes...

[LittleClarkie]

26. Ask Blackwell why he's stalling Kerry's lawsuit then

I'm sure Don McTigue, Kerry's lawyer in Ohio, would like to know as well.

[NightOwwl]

27. You're more likely to run out of verys...

before Kerry actually does anything.

[kerrygoddess]

30. I doubt it.

But you keep up with your negative assumptions... they are entertaining.

[ray of light]

156. entertaining?!

Yep, watching people throw stones is entertaining.
But I'd rather them throw stones at their local representative, Congress, and Bush.

[DemBones DemBones]

29. Where's he been? Counting all the votes?

:eyes:

Count me as a VERY disappointed Kerry voter who won't be fooled again.

[kerrygoddess]

31. Thanks for sharing.

No need to share anymore here is there? Not everyone is on a downer around here you know.

[DemBones DemBones]

33. No problem. I've already shared my thoughts with John Kerry,

assuring him he'd never get another dime or another vote from us. His post-election conduct has pretty well convinced us that voting Democratic isn't worth the trouble anymore, which really IS a downer.

[kerrygoddess]

34. Kerry should have stomped his feet and cried "Mine"

Ya think? 3 Million vote margin... hmm...

So you're like Green Bones now or what?

[DemBones DemBones]

62. He should have planted his feet firmly and waited

until the votes were all counted and recounts were addressed. He didn't have to fold like a cheap card table. And he should have stood up for himself against the attacks from the Swift Boat LIARS.

You in a hurry for me to change my registration to Green?

[tavalon]

109. Nope

He should have calmly, in that very Presidential air that he does have, said, "I would like to make sure all of the votes are accurately counted before I make a decision about whether to concede or not". Or, words to that effect.

He said he would make sure all of the votes were counted but as soon as it was obvious that there was too large a margin for him to win, suddenly those disenfranchised people's votes just didn't matter so much. And, in conceding so quickly, he derailed the whole election fraud investigation.

So, excuse those of us who watch his actions instead of his words. Actions are always more telling than words.

I certainly hope he finally speaks up about the DSM but I choose to focus on those politicians who have actually carried through on their promises.

[LittleClarkie]

36. Who's us? You and the significant other?

Mouse in your pocket?

Just curious.

[DemBones DemBones]

63. Yes, my husband and I are both extremely

dissatisfied with the performance of the Democratic Party on a national level and particularly with John Kerry's wishy-washy campaign. So's the rest of our family, for that matter, but I was referring to the voting members of our household. (Our yellow dog's not eligible to vote.)

[Im with Rosey]

38. Thank you!

I am soooo tired of the Kerry bashing. Replied to another thread that I think he is taking time to set up a good case, as stated earlier, a good prosecuter knows the answers before asking the questions. I think he is just making sure of the facts before the anticipated bu$hco-bu**. I am relieved he is preparing for the worst they throw at him.

[LittleClarkie]

40. Even if THAT'S not it

I trust the guy enough, that if nothing even happens, that he had his reasons. We can't see a fraction of what these people see. Some I would trust to do the right thing if it's possible. Kerry is one. Others, not so much.

[LittleClarkie]

37. Don McTigue

this is why I have the lawyer's name memorized.

He's workin' on it. He's workin' on it. But Blackwell's an asshat.

[tuvor]

32. I'm tired of Kerry rumours. I'd prefer Kerry news for a change. n/t

[kerrygoddess]

35. Yes well we all would...

Something to look forward to!

I forgot though that some around here don't get how politics work. Some expect instant miracles.

[tuvor]

39. I think this has been discussed to death since the election.

I'm not going to be able to bring up anything useful that hasn't been brought up already.

[Catamount]

41. Thank you Kerrygoddess, as usual you bring hope!

I can't wait...............

Are you involved with the LUTD site?
:hi:

[kerrygoddess]

47. Yes, on LUTD!

I can't wait too!

[TayTay]

42. Good news KG!

I hope the weeks since this really began to gather steam in the US have been used to try to get Dem support for an investigation in the Senate Dem Caucus. It would be nice to have multiple Dem voices rise in support of an investigation.

[LittleClarkie]

43. Oh thanks alot. I have a hymn stuck in my head now

Soon and Very Soon
1. Soon and very soon, we are going to see the King (3 times)
Hallelujah! Hallelujah! We're going to see the King.

2. No more crying there, we are going to see the King (3 times)
Hallelujah! Hallelujah! We're going to see the King.

3. No more dying there, we are going to see the King (3 times)
Hallelujah! Hallelujah! We're going to see the King.

[kerrygoddess]

46. Oh Jesus! N/T

[Jim Sagle]

44. Be vewwy, vewwy kwwiet...Kewwy's on the scent.

:boring:

[LittleClarkie]

49. Sorry, no dog and pony show to keep y'all entertained

just work being done.

[mzmolly]

45. Yahoo. I look forward to hearing from him!

:toast:

Another recommendation!

[second edition]

48. Kerry is still number one with me!

No matter how this all plays out. I know he has tried to do what he thinks is right and always follows the most appropriate road. I am so curious now!!

[kerrygoddess]

50. Still number one with me too!

Always has been ... always will be!

[LittleClarkie]

51. Yawp

[FreedomAngel82]

95. Lovely photo!

Never seen that one before. My favorite is of him with children.

[kerrygoddess]

99. I Love That Photo!

What a hoot!

[Nordmadr]

113. I'll be anxiously awaiting the moment when I get to hear him say

..."So Mr. President, who is going to the the last American to die for THIS mistake? Are you aware of a little thing known as TREASON? Here, please allow me to explain how it works..."

Olaf

[OzarkDem]

52. Been over 3 hours now

Kerry is such a tease...

ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz

[kerrygoddess]

53. Actually... I'm the tease, not Kerry

I posted it. Blame the off the record source though for teasing me.

[oxbow]

54. Thank you kerrygoddess

and thank you in advance to the junior senator from Massachusets!

[OzarkDem]

55. Can you give us a hint

Do you expect something in the next (choose one)

5 hours

24 hours

3-5 days



Will the information be

earthshaking, helping confirm the information crucial to proving Bush's lies?

an obscurely worded press release indicating possible, but not certain support from a Dem leader that the DSM (might/might not) be relevant and worth pursuing before the next election


Will it indicate

a plan of action to show consolidated support for an independent counsel to fully investigate the events leading up to Bush's WMD declarations and subsequent demand to invade Iraq


an attempt to please both sides in the debate by talking tough while offering no plan of action or demand to enforce the laws of our great nation?


Perky platitudes aren't enough to defend the Constitution.

[kerrygoddess]

58. Would you like that gift wrapped?

[OzarkDem]

70. From those of us

who have children, carefully borne, loved, raised, nurtured and educated, who face getting drafted to fight the unnecessary, illegal war in Iraq that my Dem colleagues are so frightened to challenge, your trivializing of this issue is highly inappropriate.

I suppoes you also think its funny that over 1700 Americans have died for no good reason?

Please do me a favor and answer the following question:

"I am willing to let _______ more Americans die needlessly before I'm willing to admit that trivial, silly, ineffective and self-serving political maneuvering will not bring an end to this war."

Please list the number of Americans you're willing to let die before you're willing to hold Kerry and other lily livered Dems accountable to real and substantive efforts to end the slaughter of Americans in a needless war. I'll help you out by notifying you when we reach that number to notifiy you its time to get serious about ending this war instead of trying to use it for political gain.

Mmmmkay?

[kerrygoddess]

101. EXCUSE ME!!! Before you go judging me!!!!

I happen to be an only parent, Ms. Mmmmkay! Yep, that's right, I bore my child, raised, loved, nurtured and educated her and did so all alone for the past 13 years since her father died. She graduates in 2 years and yes, if there is a draft she will be subject to it! So get the F off your high high horse DEM GIRL and do not presume I am trivializing this.

You are triviliazing this by asking for information that you know damn well that anyone who receives confidential information from staffer can not give out.

I gave the information that I had to give and you asked for a whole lot more, instead of having some common decency and waiting like everyone else. Plus you have the audacity to assume that I'm NOT a parent and that I don't give a damn about this war or any of the other issues plaguing this country.

WTF! Look in the damn mirror and hold yourself accountable before you start judging others!

[CTLawGuy]

149. I'd like to add

when is Kerry going to answer for the fact that he enabled Bush to engage in this illegal war and then publicly said he would vote for the enabling all over again?

Kerry courageously spoke out against vietnam,
Kerry courageously, (even if I don't agree with him) opposed the first gulf war.

Why did he, in an act of cowardice, enable bush II to make war in Iraq?

[LittleClarkie]

150. As soon as you get the actual meaning of his vote right

Sorry, he may have been misguided. But he is never a coward.

And between the gulf wars he discovered something called international crime. It has muddied the waters for him a touch.

What his vote meant to him has been explained over and over. He voted for inspectors. He voted thinking there were forces still in the Bush administration that would restrain him. He thought Bush would do what he said he would. He did none of it. Even Kerry, knowing these people, didn't realize they could fuck things up quite this badly.

I have a speech on my site somewhere that has Kerry standing on the very spot that Bush stood on, talking about all the things Bush promised and didn't deliver on. He sounds pissed. Mighty pissed to have been lied to.

Even I had trouble realizing that Bushco would take the worst day of our collective lives and use it politically. That was out of the realm of my imagination until recently.

[CTLawGuy]

151. I don't care what he THOUGHT he was voting for

that resolution was a blank check. Everyone knew it.

the thousands of Dems who called their Senators on that day,

Sen. Robert Byrd, one of the most intelligent Senators in history (who wrote about it in his book),

and I'm sure 95% of people on this board (at least back in 2002).

I'm sorry, it wasn't about being fooled. It was about either being completely ignorant of the wide latitude of the IWR or about concern for one's own "electability" in a certain upcoming presidential election.

As for the 9/11 excuse, it holds no water with me. Crises are when our leaders need their clearest heads. Frankly, they utterly failed in this case. Iraq had ZIP to do with 9/11, and Kerry certainly was smart enough to know that.

Congress has a responsibility to make sure the president uses war power only when it is necessary and only in a responsible way. They failed horribly in both aspects, and kerry was along for the ride.

[LittleClarkie]

152. You'd think he was the deciding vote

the way some folks talk about it around here.

[CTLawGuy]

176. what does it matter

If a Nazi concentration camp guards claims he is not responsible for his crimes because someone else would have taken his place had he not been there, what would you say?

Even if it wasn't the deciding vote, it still was an enabling vote that he didn't need to make. It's still as offensive as if it were the deciding vote.

[sundancekid]

56. Kerry has lost all credibility with me by now ... I busted buns and balls

for him in 2004, but his current message is all about "it's coming soon" and quite frankly, the man ain't even breathing hard ... enough of this crap!

[politicasista]

57. Yawn

:boring:

I don't care what the bashers think, I am still cool with him.

[LittleClarkie]

60. Kerrygoddess's message is that it's coming soon

I don't need the guy to run off half cocked so that people will feel all warm and fuzzy because he LOOKS like he's doing something even if he isn't.

And if you'd been actually watching him this last few months, you'd be thinking, as those of us in the Kerry forum have often thought, that there was no way he was going to be able to keep up the pace. He's been like a freakin' energizer bunny.

I often say, close your eyes and pretend it's someone else, say, maybe, a Democrat you like, and then take a look at what that Democrat has been doing lately and you'd think, wow, he's been busy.

[LittleClarkie]

65. Whew, found it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=273&topic_id=17708&mesg_id=18035

Here's a list someone was keeping from the first of the year to March of JK's activities. I don't know if she's added to it, I haven't seen it lately.

[kerrygoddess]

68. My, my what a busy guy! N/T

[sundancekid]

196. while half-cocked is nobody's choice, neither is untimely, tardy, and

rendered irrelevant by "undelivered just in time" as they say in the biz world ... "coming soon" is at movie theatres; at least they don't charge you admission or take the credit until they actually deliver/show the movie ... get it????

p.s. am still waiting for that response to swift liars, no?

[YvonneCa]

59. Thanks, kerrygoddess...

...for the 'head's up'. You're much appreciated!:D

[MoonRiver]

61. This is really pathetic and lame.

Kerry was a colossal failure as a presidential candidate. Hyping stuff you expect him to do, which will supposedly boost his imaginary aspirations for another half-assed run in 2008, seems so desperate and sad.

[kerrygoddess]

66. What's pathetic and lame...

is that anyone would feel the need to say what you said.

[Name removed]

67. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[LittleClarkie]

69. Kerrygoddess is in contact with people in the Kerry organization

she was good enough to go and check on the status of Kerry and the DSM, knowing that folks were anxious that any Dem leader would step up and stand next to Conyers and move the issue forward. So far Kerry's been one of the few to pipe up about it, however briefly.

This has fuck all to do with 2008. And I for one am getting mighty sick of 2008 being brought up every time the man's name is mentioned, regardless of what is being discussed.

This is about RIGHT HERE, and RIGHT NOW! It is not Kerrygoddess' fault that some people are looking through the "He's gonna run in 2008" lens and letting it distort everything they see. I swear the man could sneeze and someone would say it had to do with 2008.

[OzarkDem]

73. Here's an idea

How about if all you folks who think playing political "tap dancing" games with Republicans and using a needless war to raise money for a political campaign instead of ending said war do us all a favor and go enlist, so my kid doesn't get drafted. Today. Thanks.

[LittleClarkie]

74. Turn about 180 degrees and aim that vitrol cannon where it belongs.

Sounds like you're talking about Bush and Company frankly.

[OzarkDem]

75. Truth hurts

Its time our party starts getting something done instead of using opposition to the Iraq war to raise money for their 2008 campaign.


Show me something substantive by way of ending this war or stop talking about it.

[LittleClarkie]

77. What fucking truth? It would hurt if you had proof maybe.

I don't even know what you're talking about. When was he raising money based on opposition to the war. Give me an article, an insider tip, something. Truth? I see no truth. I see Our Lady of the Assumption. That's all I see.

As for ending this war, the damn DNC Chairman isn't even talking about that, is he? They're all focused on trying to glue the pottery back together. Only Bush is already looking to break something else.

Aim. your. vitrol. where. it. belongs.

[OzarkDem]

80. Stop defending

our parties leaders who do nothing about ending the war or enlist.

[LittleClarkie]

83. Do you think they'd take a 5' 200 pound 40 year old woman?

With bad knees?

Um, had you perhaps not noticed but, um, they're not in power. The people who can do jack shit about the problem are the ones I'm trying to get you turned around to face.

I'm not enlisting. I'm working on getting a Democratic majority in 2006 so that we will actually HAVE the power to DO something. What are YOU doing on THAT front.

[OzarkDem]

87. My apologies

You sound as though you're new at this. I've been active in politics for over a decade and am appalled at how far our party has sunk in standing up for its ideals.

Think of it as tough love.

[kerrygoddess]

103. You wouldn't know an apology if you tripped over it!

Get a grip and stop telling people what to do! Who gave you the job of DNC chair?

[Gay Green]

88. That's Shrub's modus operandi as revealed by one of his advisers...

...last year.

<paraphrase>See, we're an empire now and we get to create our own reality and when you guys get done analyzing that, we create another new reality. THEN when you're done analyzing THAT, we create STILL ANOTHER new reality!</paraphrase>

[kerrygoddess]

102. You think you are the only one with a kid who might get drafted?

Think again!

Get off your high horse and do something useful!

[OzarkDem]

155. I am

I'm supporting the members of my party who are showing courage and leadership.

[Name removed]

76. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[LittleClarkie]

78. Kerrygoddess is still here

what do the two have to do with each other. Kerrygoddess is just a blogger who has cultivated a few contacts. What of it?

[kerrygoddess]

104. Still here... N/T

[Snivi Yllom]

115. correct

Kerry is old news.

[kerrygoddess]

127. Really?

You ought to do a search at http://www.technorati.com and see how "old news" he is. There are more posts on Kerry in the Technorati search engine (blogosphere) than any other Dem.

[MoonRiver]

133. That's only because he's a recent presidential nominee.

Also doesn't mean that people want him to run a second time. Kerry IS old news in terms of presidential elections. He's done. Put a fork in him.

[Ponderer]

81. I agree strongly with your post . . .

Kerry is a very judicious guy, which if you think about it, is what this nation needs. We've been so trained to react without thinking, judging without knowing -- behaviors that are the anethema of deliberative democracy.

[LittleClarkie]

86. That is one thing that sorta drives me nuts

Extreme language, crying wolf, not saving our wad for the real crises. Believing every little blog or internet reporter with a story we wanna hear, even listening to a Zell Miller Democrat if he's singing a song we wanna hear about this politician or that.

It's like we want jiffy pop democracy. MTV edits on CSPAN. Slow DOWN people. Life doesn't work that way.

(sorry, I'm alittle hyped up tonight)

[Ponderer]

179. Yes . . .

We want everything McNow. And all that comes McNow is McCrap.

Btw, the Kerry painting is stunning. Is it your own work? I'm old enough to remember him in those days . . . I worked for him here in Ohio during the general campaign and saw him three separate times. Each time I was so struck by how integrated he is, which is challenging to achieve in a generation like ours -- which is why so many are friggin' nuts!

[johnaries]

82. You have to be careful with that "very soon" stuff on DU,

you'll have people hitting the refresh button every five minutes!

Kerry is a chess player. Too many people here expect an Ahnold to blast through the walls of the Senate and starting blasting all the Repubs with a 60 caliber chain gun.

THIS IS NOT A MOVIE, FOLKS! Everything doesn''t follow the script.

Kerry knew the election was stolen. He also knew he couldn't prove it. He was ready to challenge, until he stepped back and took a closer look at the situation, and knew there was no way he could prove it before the Electoral Vote count. So, he took another step back, and started working on Election Reform. Along with a lot of other issues.

Would you rather him throw all caution to the wind and continually put his foot in his mouth like Frist, DeLay, BUSH, etc.?

No matter what kerry does or how soon he does it, I get the feeling it still won't be enough for many here. Even if Kerry put cuffs on Bush and personally escorted him to jail, some people would still complain.

SHEESH!

Thank you, KerryGoddess for giving the heads-up to those of us who appreciate it!

[OzarkDem]

85. Thanks for clearing that up

Given that we've known for the last two years, and had strong evidence that Bush was lying leading up to the Iraq, it only makes sense to continue to wait for Bush to just self-destruct and save us the trouble of holding him accountable.

I'm beginning to question Kerry's commitment to ending the war.

[johnaries]

89. There's a big difference between knowing and proving.

Clarke, O'Neill, many others told us Bush was lying. How did those work out for ya?

[OzarkDem]

122. Its Congress' job

to take action on the "proving" part. So far, no one in the Senate has developed the intestinal fortitude to take it to the next level. Perhaps they're waiting for the R's to begin investigating it for them?

[kerrygoddess]

128. Actually it's the job of the House not the Senate

to begin the investigation for Impeachment if that is what you are implying.

Quick Overview of the Impeachment Process

1. An impeachment can open in many ways in the House- as long as it begins somewhere in the House. Often the House Judiciary Committee becomes involved at an early stage.

2. Before taking a final vote on whether to impeach a president, the House can vote to authorize its Judiciary Committee to begin an impeachment inquiry.

3. The Judiciary Committee may at this stage conduct hearings and draw up the articles of impeachment.

4. Under the Constitution, the House must vote on articles of impeachment. A simple majority vote can impeach the president-"impeachment" is more of an indictment than a conviction- and send the case to the Senate for trial.

5. The Senate conducts the trial. A prosecution team assembled by the House prsents the evidence for conviction. which requires a two-thirds majority of the Senate. A legal defense team represents the president. The chief justice presides over the trial Normally the vice president presides over the Senate, but he must step aside under the Constitution because he would replace the president if senators vote for conviction. At the end of the trial, the Senate probably would allow senators to debate each article of impeachment before taking a vote.

http://library.thinkquest.org/25185/archfizz.htm
http://library.thinkquest.org/25673/process.htm

[johnaries]

131. EXACTLY! And that's the point of the hearings Conyers started,

to gather information and proof. Of course, I still don't think this Repug House will do anything with the info, which is why the 2006 elections are so important.

And, if we keep hammering away on the DSM's and build public outrage, Congress is OUR'S!

[kerrygoddess]

132. Exactly is right!

So while it's great that Kerry is bringing this up with the Dems on the Intelligence Committee and starting the ball rolling on that end, what is critical is that Conyers' gains enough support within the House.

We definately need to hear the outrage from both bodies of Congress.

[OzarkDem]

154. Excuses, excuses

WWBD? What would Bushco be doing if they were in this situation? Sitting around trying to hem and haw saying, "its not my job"?

If Kerry really thinks he has no cards to play in this situation, why is he trying to get political mileage out of it?

Put up or shut up.

[kerrygoddess]

157. Dem Girl - You Put Up or Shut Up

I've had enough of your snide remarks. You did not even have the decency to apologize after your insinuation that you were a mother and had a kid to worry about being drafted and I did not.

I responded to your attack on me and told you I am a parent, a mother as well with a kid to worry about. Instead of responding you have ignored that and found other posts of mine to attack.

All you you have done is attack Kerry and his supporters in this thread. Clearly you are making trouble purposely and saying things about other posters in this thread including myself, that you should not be saying.

[OzarkDem]

158. Already have

I gave over a thousand bucks to the Kerry campaign and worked countless hours to get him elected. He's not proven himself to be up to the job yet of being a party leader. Its still a free country and I plan to support and not support whomever I choose.

The Democratic Party doesn't belong to you or Kerry or anyone in Washington DC. It belongs to all of us out here in the real world who work every day to raise funds, recruit volunteers, spread the word and get candidates elected, something my family has been doing in this party since the late 1800's. Get used to it.

As for your issues involving having a child who may be of draft age in a couple of years, I can't help you there. You'll have to have that conversation with your child when the time comes and live with the consequences of your own decisions. That's a personal matter for your family.

[kerrygoddess]

167. Hold on here -

Do not go turning this around with the child of draft age comment.

You know what I am refering to, this post of yours where you said this to me and inferred that I did not give a damn - "From those of us... who have children, carefully borne, loved, raised, nurtured and educated, who face getting drafted to fight the unnecessary, illegal war in Iraq that my Dem colleagues are so frightened to challenge, your trivializing of this issue is highly inappropriate.

I suppoes you also think its funny that over 1700 Americans have died for no good reason?"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1871276#1872192

Frankly I don't care how much you've donated or how long your "family" has been involved with Dem party politics, that does not give you the right to make comments like that to anyone.

Fruthermore you are NOT the only person on the board who donates time, money and energy to the Dem party, spreads the word, gets candidates elected.

In the real world, out there on the streets, there are real issues that matter to people and they don't waste their time fussing and whining and stomping their feet demanding things from people like spoiled children.

IF, BIG IF, you have been involved in politics for SO LONG, then you know full well that some confidential information can not be blasted all over the place.

LAST, BUT NOT LEAST, I made it perfectly clear that I gave ALL the INFORMATION I had. And you still demand more.

It's a FREE COUNTRY, yes it is. BUT NO ONE HERE NEEDS TO TAKE YOUR ABUSE!

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[ray of light]

161. Terrific point KerryGoddess, but....

HOW many of you here, who are spending all this time argueing have actually CALLED the repubicans and asked them to get busy and HOLD BUSH accountable? How many have asked their Republican representative to contact the members of the judiciary and ask them to hold an investigation.

As far as I'm concerned, the only way we make a difference is by creating the difference! Let's get busy!

Call your rep and ask them to make the calls today. And keep calling them.

[kerrygoddess]

168. Great suggestion!

Time and energy would be much better sent calling Reps than pissing and moaning here.

[LittleClarkie]

90. Exactly and thank you

It's not a movie. You don't always see what's going on. And many assume that because they see nothing that nothing is going on. What do they want, a stage whisper? "Bush will never suspect THIS move! Heh heh!"

All I know is that this is a good man. You don't go from a good and patient man to a horse's ass that fast. Life may have taught him to be cautious. Being a prosecutor may have taught him to have all his facts straight. Working on investigations for years may have taught him to be patient. But this is not just an empty suit.

Someone here brought up Dem Strategist. I take it that was not a reference with good memories attached to it. I submit another former poster, PeteNYC, who said of his former boss "He is a very good man."

I believe that as well.

[kerrygoddess]

98. My pleasure

I expected the good with the bad when I posted it this.

Maybe it's just me, but making sense of this whole politics thing is just plain commonsense. Politics and the law go hand in hand. You got to be able to prove something. You don't throw caution to the wind if you are smart. And you don't play the an eye for an eye game which is what some people would like Kerry to do. Bush broke the law so he should... absolutely not. Sorry no go. Two wrongs don't make a right.

[Kittycat]

84. I've given up on Kerry...

Fizzled out!

[FreedomAngel82]

91. Here's to waiting

[fooj]

96. The art of foreplay!

:kick:

[bilgewaterbill]

97. Oh Puhleeeze!

Just do SOMETHING, anything. I'm so sick of hearing about what he's gonna do. This man is indefinitely testing the waters and nuancing everything to death. I'll take Howard Dean any day.

[IndianaGreen]

100. Wake me up when His Royal Highness decides to speak up about DSM

until then, we'll have to rely on the likes of Reps. Conyers, Waters, Kucinich, and others. Heck, even Hillary has chided the press about their lack of coverage of the DSM.

[ClarkUSA]

160. Speaking of Rep. John Conyers and DSM....here's his latest email!

Dear Friend:

Thank you for signing the Downing Street Minutes letter to the president. I personally delivered your letter to the White House last Thursday.

Your participation in this issue has made a difference. The mainstream media has been very slow to report on this British Intelligence document claiming that evidence was being "fixed" to support the lead up to war against Iraq.

Yet, the neither the media nor President Bush could ignore the massive groundswell of interest demonstrated by the more than 560,000 individuals who joined you in signing this letter.

On Thursday, I led a hearing about the Downing Street Minutes to receive testimony from former Ambassador Joe Wilson, 27-year CIA veteran Ray McGovern, constitutional lawyer John Bonifaz, and Cindy Sheehan, who lost her son in Iraq.

Despite desperate attempts by Republicans to disrupt the proceedings, 32 Members of Congress attended this hearing. We were forced to use a cramped room in the basement of the Capitol little bigger than a closet, even though plenty of larger hearing rooms were available. The Republican Leadership also scheduled votes for nearly two straight hours in an unprecedented attempt to
limit the ability of Democratic Members of Congress to participate in this hearing.ÊÊÊÊÊÊÊ

Thanks to your help, and the more than 560,000 individuals who signed this letter, the mainstream media felt compelled to cover this event. The room was packed with television cameras and there was significant coverage in national
newspapers and radio networks. After the hearing I hand delivered the list of signatures along with a letter to the president signed by 122 Members of Congress demanding answers, and led a rally outside the White House.

We still have much more to do to make President Bush answer the questions raised by the Downing Street Minutes. Much work remains for us to bring this issue to the attention of all Americans.

Visit my website at http://johnconyers.com to find out what additional steps we are taking and how you can help on this issue of vital constitutional importance.

Please forward this email to friends who want to sign the letter to the president and help get the truth out: http://digbig.com/4dsft

Sincerely,

Congressman John Conyers, Jr.

****

Wes Clark mentioned DSM in his Salon.com interview:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1869916&mesg_id=1869916

[ngGale]

105. Like I just said in another thread, Kerry is SO patient...

we are not. Doing research during the campaign, I came to love Kerry.
You can bet - when Kerry step's into the fray it will be all over for Bush. He's been fighting that family for years. Besides, he owes them one for those damn 'purple heart band-aids' and Swifties!
Even just for himself, payback is hell!

[kerrygoddess]

107. Payback is hell!

I'll be dreaming about that!

[ngGale]

106. Like I just said in another thread, Kerry is SO patient...

we are not. Doing research during the campaign, I came to love Kerry.
You can bet - when Kerry step's into the fray it will be all over for Bush. He's been fighting that family for years. Besides, he owes them one for those damn 'purple heart band-aids' and Swifties!
Even just for himself, payback is hell!

[lojasmo]

129. When Kerry steps into the fray it'll be all over for Bush

Think Kerry will wait until January 2008?

[lojasmo]

130. "When Kerry steps into the fray it'll be all over for Bush"

Think Kerry will wait until January 2008?

[JNelson6563]

108. Yep! Any day now....

Yessirree....any day now..........*whistling patiently*

[lojasmo]

111. It's coming soon...I can feel it

Don't hold your breath, J.

[libertypirate]

114. It's time for Kerry to shit or get off the pot!

[Imagevision]

172. I totally agree- I still have reservations about Kerry saying your votes

will be counted, and while Conyers was busting his ass for a legit recount in Ohio, Kerry did nothing to intervene with Blackwell doing what he could so the re-count wasn't even ligitimate.

Where was Kerry then??

[Tinoire]

116. Recount coming any day too. n/t

[LittleClarkie]

125. Recount happen in December

Lawsuit still pending.

The least you could do is make your snark accurate.

[cestpaspossible]

186. Why are you introducing facts into the discussion?

You should know better :spank:

[Mr.Green93]

117. Free Beer Tomorrow

[Lerkfish]

118. and the purpose for waiting would be.....?

allowing it to fall off the media radar? NOT striking while the iron is hot?
worried about his own political career over the country?

help me out here....what is the advantage, political or otherwise, to hold back while others (Conyers) are charging ahead?

[ScreamingMeemie]

121. I hope no one minds if I don't hold my breath...we've waited for lots

of things...that never quite seemed to materialize. I'm not even going to hope. Sorry. :(

[NAO]

123. Kerry's Investigations - b/f: wing-nut conspiracies; after: public record

When Kerry investigates something, he REALLY investigates it. Kerry moves things from the domain of 'wing-nut conspiracy theories' to 'documented in the public record'.

If Kerry does act on DSM, he will be very effective.

****

How John Kerry Exposed the Contra-Cocaine Scandal
By Robert Parry
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/102604B.shtml

excerpt

Derided by the mainstream press and taking on Reagan at the height of his popularity, the freshman senator battled to reveal one of America's ugliest foreign policy secrets.

In December 1985, when Brian Barger and I wrote a groundbreaking story for the Associated Press about Nicaraguan Contra rebels smuggling cocaine into the United States, one U.S. senator put his political career on the line to follow up on our disturbing findings. His name was John Kerry.

Yet, over the past year, even as Kerry's heroism as a young Navy officer in Vietnam has become a point of controversy, this act of political courage by a freshman senator has gone virtually unmentioned, even though - or perhaps because - it marked Kerry's first challenge to the Bush family.

In early 1986, the 42-year-old Massachusetts Democrat stood almost alone in the U.S. Senate demanding answers about the emerging evidence that CIA-backed Contras were filling their coffers by collaborating with drug traffickers then flooding U.S. borders with cocaine from South America.

full article at above link

****

Think the US government involvement in drug dealing is just lunatic fringe conspiracy? Thanks to John Kerry, it is part of the PUBLIC RECORD

Selections from the Senate Committee Report on
Drugs, Law Enforcement and Foreign Policy
chaired by Senator John F. Kerry
http://www.webcom.com/pinknoiz/covert/contracoke.html

excerpt

The Subcommittee found that the Contra drug links included:

--Involvement in narcotics trafficking by individuals associated with the Contra movement.

--Participation of narcotics traffickers in Contra supply operations through business relationships with Contra organizations.

--Provision of assistance to the Contras by narcotics traffickers, including cash, weapons, planes, pilots, air supply services and other materials, on a voluntary basis by the traffickers.

--Payments to drug traffickers by the U.S. State Department of funds authorized by the Congress for humanitarian assistance to the Contras, in some cases after the traffickers had been indicted by federal law enforcement agencies on drug charges, in others while traffickers were under active investigation by these same agencies.

These activities were carried out in connection with Contra activities in both Costa Rica and Honduras.

The Subcommittee found that the links that were forged between the Contras and the drug traffickers were primarily pragmatic, rather than ideological. The drug traffickers, who had significant financial and material resources, needed the cover of legitimate activity for their criminal enterprises. A trafficker like George Morales hoped to have his drug indictment dropped in return for his financial and material support of the Contras. Others, in the words of Marcos Aguado, Eden Pastora's air force chief:

more at above link

[Larkspur]

124. Kerry is the "Rip van Winkle" of the Senate

:boring:

It takes him so long to muster the courage to protest injustice. Maybe it's Alzheimers?

[Mairead]

135. "Maybe it's Alzheimers?"

Nah, T., it's that his DLC handlers are having a hard time figuring out how to equivocate on this one.

[rniel]

126. I heard this about a month ago

He's a little slow isn't he...

Maybe in a few more years he will start disputing the stolen election

[Mairead]

134. What we have here is 'inverse FUD'

In the '60s and '70s, whenever a company started considering moving away from IBM to another computer vendor, IBM would have a sales team go in and do a big dog-and-pony show, talking about the wonderful products in the pipeline that the customer would be missing out on if they moved. This created FUD --Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt-- about whether the company should switch vendors, generally killing the sale for the other vendor. IBM was notorious for this tactic.

The wonderful products hardly ever materialised.

After a few lawsuits against IBM by competitors alleging unfair business practices, customers got wise, stopped responding to the FUD attacks, and IBM lost a big chunk of their revenue.

It might take awhile, but people do usually wise up to FUD, eventually. Also to its mirror image.

[Burried News]

136. If you tangle with them, come back with blood on your shirt or don't

come back at all.

[kerrygoddess]

137. Waiting on signatories...

While everyone is busy slamming Kerry for not moving as fast they want him to, it's not all about him... he's waiting for other Dem Senators to sign the darn letter to the Senate Intelligence Committee.

"Kerry has been enlisting other senators to sign onto a letter to the Senate Intelligence Committee seeking answers about the memo, aides said." - http://www.lightupthedarkness.org/blog/default.asp?view=plink&id=1113

[Mairead]

138. Conyers got over 500,000. Kerry can't get...what? 30? 40?

[kerrygoddess]

141. You don't read do you?

From other Senators! You got a problem them taking their sweet time signing the letter, call them! Oh and call the Repub's too and tell them to ease up on the schedule so that they have more time for this! Okay!

[Mairead]

178. Of course I read--how do you think I discovered that Kerry's a dud?

How long does it take to sign something?

Anyone who's worked for any time in the computer industry knows how much credence to give claims of Real Soon Now: zero. When people 'pre-announce', as you're doing, 99.9% of the time it turns out to be FUD.

[kerrygoddess]

181. I work in the computer industry actually

But Kerry doesn't. He works in the Senate and the letter is being sent to other Democrats in the Senate to sign. Kerry already signed it. He's waiting for it to get returned.

Complain to those who have it. Not here. Your rhetoric is ridiculous. Anyone who knows anything about how the Senate works knows that these things often take time.

[Mairead]

182. 'Real Soon Now' = 'Fuggetabbodit'

Is Kerry paying you, by any chance? I can't imagine why you'd try to inflate someone like him otherwise. He's a dud. I know: I live in Mass and helped put him into his senate seat in '84, and keep him there in '90 and '96.

I also, with over 25000 other people, tried to vote him out of that senate seat in '02 after he completely ignored our pleas and voted for BushCo's crimes against humanity. We'll try again in '08, but this time we'll have more than the 2 weeks we had last time.

He is a dud, and a vicious one. Whatever merit he might have had in his VVAW days, he's long since lost it.

[kerrygoddess]

183. I from MA...

Live in CA now. Not getting paid. Most everyone I know in MA has the utmost respect for Kerry and I know a lot people in MA. You are among the minority there. But thanks for sharing.

[hippiechick]

139. Yeah, woohoo whoopie, here's Kerry's 'action' ...

:eyes: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1872670&mesg_id=1872670

yawn.

[kerrygoddess]

142. Woohoo whoopie...

Wow big find! Same damn article I quoted!

I am so impressed!

[LittleClarkie]

143. What else do Rush Limbaugh, the Boston Herald and Common Dreams

agree on?

Should I take another look at Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Frist and Bolton. Rush and the Herald think I should. And after all, if they agree with Common Dreams, they must have some merit, right?

Maybe I'll become a Republican. They suddenly appear so much more reasonable, agreeing with one of our premere progressive sites as they do.

Yes, ever since that lobotomy I'm feeling much better, thank you for asking.

[cestpaspossible]

145. Actually, that's an article from the right-wing rag Boston Herald

good for wallowing in Kerry-hatred, I guess, no matter how innacurate it is.

[dchill]

140. I'm no Kerry-basher, but...

Although, Wade verified that Kerry will be addressing this, the Herald chose to frame the statement as a hit piece on Kerry, citing he has been “cautious on probing” the DSM.

“'cautious on probing' the DSM" doesn't sound like a hit piece to me - sounds like the truth.

[Dr Fate]

144. Godspeed to Kerry- we really need a high profile hero.

If you deliver, you will be a favorite for 2008.

STOP listening to the Donna Braziles in the party and listen to your heart & your BASE for this one.

[shadowknows69]

146. ZZZZZZZZ

Wake me when he gets balls

[snickersnee]

147. does this remind anyone else

of the "last throes" debate?

:hide:

[CTLawGuy]

148. this reminds me

anyone ever read a book called "Waiting for Godot?"

:shrug:

[karynnj]

162. Yes, in French in college

found it utterly depressing. I prefer at least trying to make things better, even if it often leads to tilting at windmills.

But I don't understand what the rush is - Kerry will do what he thinks makes the most sense. I think that Kerry or anyone else with a high profile risks damaging the credibility of the overall issue - that there were intentional lies to Congress and the UN, if they handle this poorly. The media will then identify the errors in what he (or others) said and then consider the issue closed. (Remember many people already are calling it old news. How many chances do you think they'll give us.)

Kerry seems to have intentionally mentioned the issue and criticized the press for being disinterested. Maybe he wants the issue to gradually get more MSM coverage. Otherwise, you risk having it be another letter Kerry and others sign, a Senate speech (hopefully well received on the internet), but probably heard by few, and a few out of context mentions on television.

[cestpaspossible]

163. The play was rewritten as a novel?

By whom?

[karynnj]

169. You can read the play in book format

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[CTLawGuy]

189. would you like me to find some more unsplit hairs for you?

I messed up, "waiting for godot" is not a BOOK, but it is a PLAY.

I'm sorry, I didn't major in English.

[cestpaspossible]

192. So you didn't actually read or see the play -don't be embarassed

most people haven't. It's no be deal.

[CTLawGuy]

199. no

but I know what happens ... (or doesn't happen at the end)

for some reason Kerry reminded me of that

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[cestpaspossible]

185. What exactly is it that you are apologizing for?

Reading your comment passed the time... but it would have passed anyway.

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[htuttle]

153. Been there, Done that

Got the T-Shirt.

[AX10]

159. I hope he comes out swinging on this, but I have my doubts...

he ran a horrible campaign last year. I don't see him swinging at Bush on this.

[Jacobin]

165. Just checking in for the 'very soon' contribution of Senator Kerry

:eyes:

[kerrygoddess]

170. Waiting on signatories

Um... the Senate has been debating the Energy bill all day.

Last word I had was the letter is still out, waiting on another sig.

[Inspired]

171. God, don't hold your breath

What are we waiting for Senator? Which way is the wind blowing? North? East? Southerly?

[kerrygoddess]

173. Do you not read?

The F'ing Senate was on the floor all day debating the energy bill. Some Senators were also in meetings.

WTF? Why do people think that these Senators will drop everything to please them? The Republicans control the agenda and YOU ALL KNOW THAT.

[Oversea Visitor]

187. Getting Senators signatures

Aaah this going to take a few days.

[yebrent]

166. In the words of the Talking Heads' "Crosseyed and Painless":

still waiting...boom-ba, boom-ba, boom-ba, boom-ba

still waiting...boom-ba, boom-ba, boom-ba

[Independent_Liberal]

174. Goodie, goodie!

I can hardly wait! I'm pissing my pants from the excitement!

[LightningFlash]

175. I dare to dream.

I guess we'll wait and see what happens with him and how he approaches the "shadow based" investigation he does best. :shrug:

[lonestarnot]

180. Oh shit! This good!

[kentuck]

191. Any minute now ?

:shrug:

[In Truth We Trust]

193. two days later from original post............still waiting. 53 days after

release of DSMinutes...........still waiting:crazy: :boring:

[kerrygoddess]

194. This was expected to happen yesterday... Mea Culpa

I was delayed due to further interest and willingness to sign letter, by other Senators.

The good news is there is more interest in the Senate, evidently and that caused the release to get delayed.

The bad news is, I shared it would happen "soon" and it got delayed.

The Senate is debating the Energy Bill today. The Kerry amendment is due for vote on the floor at some point today.

Personally I take the delay as a good sign that there is more interest.

[Capn Sunshine]

204. Well it's 7 pm on the E Coast. So officially, that's THREE days later

:nuke:

[rhett o rick]

195. I am waiting!!! nt

[seeker4ever]

198. What ever! Results! Remember those? If can get results..

god bless his slow lumbering ass.

Frankly, I doubt it.

[meppie-meppie not]

201. I guess I'll believe it when I see it.

[ProudDad]

202. Uh, where's he been for two months?

:shrug: :shrug:

[AntiCoup2K4]

203. Maybe he drank too much of his own Kool-Aid

[LittleClarkie]

205. Since when exactly?

In relation to what?

What happened two months ago?

He's been around. We try to let people know what he's doing, but we're often told, "fuck him" and "can't you wait until 2007?"

[Demobrat]

206. And if you believe that

I know of a very pretty golden bridge for sale cheap.

[Moderator]

207. Locking

Three days is enough.