Wesley Kanne Clark (Biography + Awards)

[illbill]

Good to have on hand. Has a list of medals and honors received including a biography.

http://www.realopinion.com/realboards/showthread.php?p=4734

[knowbody0]

1. thanks,

i enjoyed that.

[snowbear]

2. CNN had a hard time saying he beat Hillary in the KOS poll today!

:rofl:

The woman on CNN flashed the numbers for a second and mumbled the results sounding like someone just ran over her cat. :mad:

About 3 minutes later they forgot about the poll and said to Donna Brazille, "face it, Hillary is unbeatable in the Dem's eyes"

Donna said, "Hey I'm bias.. but no.. I think any one of a few people could win including Clark.. etc.."

:crazy: The media are ~~~"HILLARY HOUNDS"~~~ :crazy:

[FrenchieCat]

4. I saw another segment where CNN reported on the KOS Poll

When I saw it, it was the two "girls" sitting in front of their computers reporting on "selected" blogs.

They were talking about a Biden run....

They mentioned the Kos poll....and how many people had responded...

They showed the result on the screen for like a nanosecond. Then instead of saying Wes Clark had won the poll, they said that "No Frigging Clue" had come in 2nd! Now "No Friggin' Clue" did come in second....but was behind Clark's 27% (on that quick screen flash) by 11% points.

I was amazed, cause they just weren't gonna say the man's name.

If Hillary had won, they'd be doing an interview with Kos.

CNN -- So Full of assholes; so little news!

[smartvoter]

19. Saw it too. Thought it was bogus. nt

[AX10]

38. Wesley Kaane Clark is our man! He has the backround....

and ability and will to take America back! The MSM/Right Wing is scared shitless of him. Wes Clark will CRUSH his opponents, whoever they are!

[Totally Committed]

5. I can't believe CNN mentioned the Kos Poll!

It would give me such a feeling of satisfaction to have Wes shoved down their throats as this Party's nominee in '08!

They are pushing Hillary right now for all she's worth. I would love it if they were proved WRONG.

Go, Wes!

TC

P.S. thanks for this bio... it is awesome!

[FrenchieCat]

24. Yep.....mentioned the poll

but not it's winner!

Isn't that kind of unusual? :shrug:

[Frederik]

9. Hillary is definitely the choice

of the establishment. They don't like Clark and they fear Howard Dean.

[Clark2008]

15. Oh I wish I'd seen that!!

That was on CNN, for real?

:rofl:

I'm at work, but even if I was at home, I wouldn't have had CNN on.

Man... I wish someone had TIVO'ed that.

[lumpy]

3. Thanks for the post.

Filed this for reference.

[Adelante]

6. What game are you playing?

illbill (550 posts) Mon Jun-20-05 02:02 AM
Response to Original message

36. I can't stand Clark...

Overrated, a fmr. Republican, and would be labelled as a "flip-flopper" so badly by the Republican Party in 08 that it would be pointless to run.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1869629&mesg_id=1869908

[Totally Committed]

7. Okay...

now I feel like a fool.

Thanks for pointing this out WesDem. I join you in your query!

TC

[Adelante]

8. Don't feel like a fool, TC

Plants grow everywhere.

(Crunchy's the smart one, not me.)

[ClarkUSA]

10. Just recognized illbill immediately from Jackson4Gore's thread re: Wes

I was just reading the OP when I was saying WTF? Then scanned the comments and got to WesDem and TC's queries.

To sum this up:

First illbill says he can't stand Clark just yesterday:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1869629&mesg_id=1869908

I answered his "I can't stand Clark" crap:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1869629&mesg_id=1870316

So, are you seventhson, illbill? Clark Bar asked you and you haven't answered yet:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1869629&mesg_id=1871915

And is illbill is a reference to Bill Clinton? :grr:

Good reference info anyway, despite your rather questionable motives. :hi:

[Adelante]

11. He has that elaborate site all set up and ready

Honey traps, the CIA used them well in my youth.

[ClarkUSA]

12. Well, the silence is deafening so far...

Gee, I wonder why "illbill" would do all this? Any wild guesses? :eyes:

Good call, WesDem (kudoes to Crunchyfrog, too). :thumbsup:

[Adelante]

13. Ever notice?

These "honey trap" threads are often posted very late at night. Then trusting Clarkies wake up and think they've found a positive Clark thread and are grateful to the OP. The next act in the play unfolds when Clark haters step in and flame. Then honest DUers are led into thinking Clarkies are "swarming" DU with Clark posts. The thread gets locked and the impression lingers. It's just a trick. Now, this is the kindest interpretation. Having a setup site ready and waiting... lots of possibilities.

[Totally Committed]

14. So, what you're saying is...

we wuz had?

TC

[Adelante]

16. We wuz, sweetie

But it's not the first time and it's not all bad. We can always learn from these things. :hug:

[ClarkUSA]

47. Yes, now that you mention it...

Great breakdown analysis again, WesDem.

Divide and conquer is the GOP game.

:toast:

[Adelante]

17. Update

From his posting history, this is a Biden guy, if we believe him.

Opportunistic Clark bashing type. Likes a Biden/Republican ticket.

13. Helluva lot better than Clarke. (Mon Jun-20-05 07:58 AM)

Biden & McCain ticket is the only way our party can win in 08.

* Sorry to all the dreamers who think Clarke and Misc. Other have a chance

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1869809#1869904

So now we know -- garden variety oppo. Buh-bye :hi:


Edit: fixed link

[Totally Committed]

18. Ugh...

:puke:

TC

[FrenchieCat]

20. So what's the "ploy"?

Since it appears that this "bio" was just ripped off from another website?

Lure folks onto the site, and then start posting some off the wall articles, or some links to websites that lie about Wes? If not that, I don't get the logic? What's Illbill's strategy for attempted damage?

I will say that I thought the awards list at "that" site listed was less than Wes has actually earned.

Here's the listing I found at a more "reliable" site!
Edited to note that the listing below does not list his civilian awards, e.g., the Medal of Freedom and a few others.....

General Wesley K. Clark USA (ret.) is the nation's most highly decorated officer since Dwight Eisenhower. Among his military decorations are the Defense Distinguished Service Medal (five awards); Distinguished Service Medal (two awards); Silver Star, Legion of Merit (four awards); Bronze Star Medal (two awards); Purple Heart; Meritorious Service Medal (two awards); Army Commendation Medal (two awards); NATO Medal for Service with NATO on Operations in Relation to Kosovo, NATO Medal for Service with NATO on Operations in Relation to the Former Republic of Yugoslavia, Legacy of Leadership and Lady Liberty(TM) Award.

His Foreign awards include the Honorary Knight Commander of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire (United Kingdom); Commander of the Legion of Honor (France); Grand Cross of the Order of Merit of the Federal Republic of Germany; Knight Grand Cross in the Order of Orange-Nassau, with Swords (Netherlands); Grand Officer of the Order of Merit of the Republic of Italy; Grand Cross of the Medal of Military Merit (Portugal); The Commander's Cross with Star of the Order of Merit of Republic of Poland; Grand Officer of the Order of Merit of the Grand Duchy of Luxembourg; Grand Medal of Military Merit (White Band) (Spain); The Grand Cordon of the Order of Leopold (Belgium); Cross of Merit of the Minister of Defense First Class (Czech Republic); Order of Merit of the Hungarian Republic; Commander's Cross, The Silver Order of Freedom of the Republic of Slovenia; Madarski Konnik Medal (Bulgaria); Commemorative Medal of the Minister of Defense of the Slovak Republic First Class (Slovakia); First Class Order of Lithuanian Grand Duke Gediminas (Lithuania); Order of the Cross of the Eagle (Estonia); The Skandeberg Medal (Albania); Order of Merit of Morocco; Order of Merit of Argentina; The Grade of Prince Butmir w/Ribbon and Star (Croatia) and the Military Service Cross of Canada.

(Central Europe Sep. 8, 2000, U.S. State Department Oct. 2, 1999, http://Individual.com)
http://wesleyclark.h1.ru/awards.htm

[Adelante]

21. Hard to know with the surrounding kookiness

Farming email addresses? The link leads straight to the registration form even though it's not necessary to register to view the site.

[allemand]

22. www.realopinion.com seems to be his website.

There is also a link to the Centre for Policy Studies (listed as "supporters"), a British right-wing think tank founded by Margaret Thatcher. Perhaps they want to collect e-mail addresses, monitor our discussions, etc.

[FrenchieCat]

23. Very possible.

It seems, in this day and age, information on a particular group can lead to quite a bit of mayhem. Fundraising letters that aren't real; negative information sent out in bulk; monitoring of activities.

Kind of scary.....

[illbill]

25. lol some crazy assumptions

I set it up because I know there are a lot of Clark supporters. I am a Biden supporter but at the same time, I would vote Clark over any Repug.

[Tom Rinaldo]

27. The point that some are making

is that while you may well vote Clark over any Rethug, you have made a series of unflattering posts about Clark on DU in the past. Which in itself is fine, you have as much right to your opinions as anyone else. But usually those who start Clark threads offering to provide positive information on Clark are, how can I say this, Clark supporters. That is different than being willing "to vote for him over any Rethug".

Which doesn't mean you can't offer free information when you think others will find it valuable, if that is what you are doing. It is simply that mis assumptions can become problematic, and some here wanted to make sure that others did not make some mis assumptions about who you are enthusiastic about, compared to your actual feelings about Wesley Clark.

[FrenchieCat]

28. But why would you feel it necessary to offer this

considering that there are many sources with this exact information?

When one considers your actual views on Clark, are you saying that the "Business" side of things made you do it?

After this post from you....it's hard to understand why you would be so compeled. Are you are selling out on your original principle just to promote your website? Isn't that a cheap thing to do?

illbill (551 posts) Mon Jun-20-05 01:02 AM
Response to Original message
36. I can't stand Clark...

Overrated, a fmr. Republican, and would be labelled as a "flip-flopper" so badly by the Republican Party in 08 that it would be pointless to run.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1869629&mesg_id=1869908

[illbill]

29. lol...

Not quite. Quite a heavy leap in logic there.

Take it as you want though Frenchie.

[FrenchieCat]

30. Unfortunately,

"LOL" does not quite answer my question.

Why do you bother to put up a website....but yet, don't feel that you need bother to answer a question on your motives?

Since there are a lot of Clark supporters, what benefits does this website offer you?...since you obviously didn't do this for the benefit of one you "can't stand".

[illbill]

32. Simply for reference.

If you don't need or want it, to go to it.

[ClarkUSA]

31. Oh really? Crazy like a fox, in this case... so, were you "seventhson"?

Yesterday, we read that you "can't stand Clark"and you also said:

"Biden & McCain ticket is the only way our party can win in 08.* Sorry to all the dreamers who think Clarke and Misc. Other have a chance"

and today you're trying to draw Clark supporters to your website that links to a British right-wing think tank founded by Margaret Thatcher after bashing him wrongly yesterday as a fmr. Republican (see replies #10, #17, and #22 for source links).

Yeah, it'd be nice to collect "a lot of Clark supporters" emails and other personal info, huh? What's next, a call for donations? I hear there's big money in selling email lists these days to political organizations...is that true?

Why are you linking to a British right-wing think tank founded by Ronald Reagan's dear friend Margaret Thatcher, who thinks John Bolton is a great choice to be UN ambassador?

By the way, Bill Clinton is not ill, however much you may wish otherwise.

[illbill]

33. Sure.

If you do not want the information, do not click it.

[FrenchieCat]

34. That wasn't the point.....

I understand that I can click or not click onto the information. Tell us something we don't know, like an answer to the questions asked of you via post #31.

And again, LOL is not an answer.

[illbill]

35. Alright.

On my previous comments about Clark, I had yet to make up the biography and honors, etc and post them. After I made those comments and was told that he was never a registered Republican and remained an Independent, I wanted to see for myself. I made the Clark bio (since there is already a Biden one as well) and since I knew many DU'ers worshipped the man, I posted the link for reference.

[RandomUser]

37. Nice try, but no cigar

You did not make up the bio, as you claim. You swiped it (including the sourcing attributions compiled by others) from another site.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wesley_Clark

So, what's your game?

[illbill]

39. That is what I meant.

I didn't know him, so I copied the bio on my site then posted it.

[RandomUser]

40. Why?

Why not just link to the wikipedia article? Instead of passing it off as your own? There is nowhere on your site that you indicate the bio is not compiled by you, or give credit to the people you stole it from. The references you copied even give the false impression that you researched and wrote the piece.

I can't help distrusting your motives, especially in light of your long term anti-Clark posting history, and your very recent vehement slams against Clark in the last few days.

Presenting someone else's work as your own is dishonest. If your concern was solely with the information, you could have just linked to the wiki article you stole it from. Or is this about trying to drive up your site and harvest emails and personal info?

Or are you saying you've had a change of heart about Clark in the last 24hrs? I don't understand why you would steal and host a bio of someone you dislike and feel necessary to bash and denigrate.

[returnable]

42. He's a Biden supporter. Plagiarism comes naturally!

:hi:

[FrenchieCat]

43. No here....

"LOL" is the answer! :rofl:

[RandomUser]

45. I question whether he's even a Biden supporter

Remember, Seventhson once tried to falsely pass himself off as a Dean supporter and used that persona to attack Clark. It wasn't until election night that he revealed he was a Freeper mole and bragged about Bush's reelection, telling DU'ers to have gay sex and die of AIDS.

[ClarkUSA]

46. Skepticism is warranted - he has still to answer whether is "seventhson"

Though there seems to have been a few very passionate Biden supporters at DU speaking up ever since Joementum II's unofficial 2008 announcement.

Probably a coincidence. :eyes:

[ClarkUSA]

44. Yesterday, illbill said Biden is "Helluva lot better than Clarke."

3. Helluva lot better than Clarke. (Mon Jun-20-05 07:58 AM)

"Biden & McCain ticket is the only way our party can win in 08.* Sorry to all the dreamers who think Clarke and Misc. Other have a chance"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1869809#1869904

And he mocks Clark supporters here:

"I made the Clark bio (since there is already a Biden one as well) and since I knew many DU'ers worshipped the man, I posted the link for reference."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1872582&mesg_id=1872582

"illbill" then proceeds to plagarize Wikipedia's bio on Wes Clark and pass off as something he "made" (see above).

And still "illbill" does not answer our questions fully.

Very interesting.

Here's one more question for you to avoid answering, "illbill":
Do you think GOP Senator John McCain is "helluva lot better than Clarke"?

[Clark Bar]

48. Is that you seventhson?

Why, it appears that you are again at work here as a mole,eh.

[ClarkUSA]

41. Your website is linked to a British right-wing think tank...

which was founded by Margaret Thatcher. Why?

And are you "seventhson", who was tombstoned recently?

You favor a Biden/lying hypocrite Bush bootlicking Republican McCain ticket
and think Clark and no one else has a chance. Why are you trying to draw Clark supporters to your website when you clearly have no respect for us nor do you hold Wes Clark in any favorable regard?

***DUers: see replies #10, #17, #22 for source links for my remarks to "illbill"***

[trillian]

26. Thanks for posting this.

Handy indeed!

:patriot:

[Crunchy Frog]

36. Read the entire thread trillian.

:)

[Moderator]

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