Repbulicans cite WorldNetDaily to say DSM is fake

[Pawel K]

So Blair and noone else in British government disputed the authenticity of the memos but yet according to Republicans if one of their idiotic blogs disputes it it means that this is another rathergate:

http://www.ronaldreagan.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/ubb/get_topic/f/3/t/003491.html

The same article has the following

The blog goes on to suggest that even if the memos could be authenticated, "they're still meaningless." That they simply do not contain any smoking-gun evidence of lies by the Bush administration or the British government of Tony Blair.

Clearly, they have no desire to seek the truth as if the memos are accurate it would mean Bush lied when he said he would avoid war. Honestly, how do these Republicans live with themselves when they know they are lying their asses off?

[redqueen]

1. Says a lot aobut their "thought" processes.

:eyes:

[MadAsHellNewYorker]

2. Thats like Bush relying on evidence from WH sources

:puke:

[Emit]

13. I had to do a little research of WorldNetDaily...

After some fundy aquaintances of mine kept quoting them as their number one news source. Let me say that most of these people who cite WND are avid end-time believers and will twist logic to support Bush&Co. to no end. Here's some excerpts from some of the info I had gathered just a short while back, in response to an article that cited Joseph Farrah and his book "Taking Back America" (Haven't read it but read reviews pro and con and it is a hard right, Christian Dominionist/Reconstructionism approach to changing America into a Christian nation.) The guy who runs conwebwatch seems to always be up against Farrah on talk shows and as quoted in articles, and his website is constantly debunking WND and Farrah, as well as other (neo)conservative biased mouth pieces (i.e., NewsMax, etc.).

Any respectable, traditional conservative news blog or magazine should not be quoting WND, IMO. It's pure propaganda for xenophobic, religious wingnuts, and true conservatives should be aware of their hidden agenda. I always try to point out the source of their news to those conservatives who are more traditional (and some I know are coming around!). For those that have their religious agenda at heart, there is no convincing them.

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Joseph F. Farah - CNP 1996, 1998; Author, veteran newsman, and media consultant; owner, Farah & Associates, an editorial consulting company, clients have included Rush Limbaugh, the Herald Tribune, Jacobs Engineering, Inc., New World Entertainment, the Institute for Contemporary Studies, and NBC; co-author, This Land Is Our Land, with U.S. Representative Richard Pombo (R-CA); former editor, Sacramento Union, which was owned by Richard M. Scaife; founder and editor, WorldNetDaily 10 , a full-service Internet newspaper, Dispatches, a bi-weekly national investigative newsletter, and Inside California, a monthly publication covering state politics.

Farah is Executive director and co-founder of Western Journalism Center, (WJC) a non-profit, tax-exempt foundation promoting journalism education and investigative reporting. Western Journalism Center was the founder of Farah's internet newspaper, World Net Daily which is now completely and separately incorporated. 11
The Western Journalism Center, which the Clinton administration identified as an enemy, filed a $40 million lawsuit in 1998, against the Internal Revenue Service for what it called a retaliatory audit. The suit accused a former IRS commissioner and an IRS agent of conducting an "unlawful, politically inspired audit" in 1996. It claimed the IRS employees punished the center and other "perceived adversaries of the Clinton administration" by violating their constitutional rights to free speech and to be protected from unreasonable searches.

The Carthage Foundation, controlled by Richard Scaife, is one of the largest funders of the WJC. Farah's board is comprised of high-profile advisers to help with fund-raising, including such conservative luminaries as Sally Pipes, president of the Pacific Research Institute, Marvin Olasky, a professor of journalism at the University of Texas, and Arianna Huffington. Both Olasky and Huffington are senior fellows at Newt Gingrich's Progress & Freedom Foundation.48 Scaife also funds the Pacific Research Institute and GOPAC49 " 12
http://www.seekgod.ca/cnp.f.htm#farah

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Joseph Farah and WorldNetDaily
Farah worked for a number of daily newspapers prior to the creation of WorldNetDaily. In 1990, he became editor of the now-defunct Sacramento (Calif.) Union, owned for several years by Richard Mellon Scaife, though he did not start work there after Scaife sold the paper to two Sacramento real estate developers, Daniel Benvenuti Jr. and David Kassis. They along with Farah were accused of taking the paper in an even more conservative direction than it had been under Scaife and skewing stories to reflect conservative ideas. Farah resigned as editor 15 months later; under his editorship, the paper's circulation declined approximately 30 percent. (The Sacramento Union was revived in 2004 as a web site and a monthly magazine.) Farah has also served as executive news editor of the Los Angeles Herald Examiner (now defunct) and served as editor-in-chief of a group of California dailies and weeklies. Farah is the co-author, with U.S. Rep. Richard Pombo, of "This Land is Our Land," and in 1994 he collaborated with Rush Limbaugh on his book "See, I Told You So." In 2003, he wrote the book "Taking America Back."

Farah co-founded the Western Journalism Center with James H. Smith, former publisher of the Sacramento Union (and CEO and publisher of the revived Sacramento Union operation). The center provided Christopher Ruddy with "additional expense money, funding for Freedom of Information Act requests, legal support and publicity" during his investigation of the death of Vince Foster while working as a reporter for the New York Post and the Scaife-owned Pittsburgh Tribune-Review. This included buying full-page ads in major newspapers reproducing Ruddy's work and co-producing a video about the Foster investigation with Ruddy. The center accepted $330,000 in donations from Scaife-connected foundations in 1994-95. The center has been involved in an ongoing lawsuit against the Internal Revenue Service over a tax audit it alleges was politically motivated. Farah is, like Bozell, also a member of the secretive Council for National Policy.

WorldNetDaily started in May 1997 as a project of the Western Journalism Center. WorldNetDaily describes itself as "a fiercely independent newssite committed to hard-hitting investigative reporting of government waste, fraud and abuse." WorldNetDaily.com, Inc., headquartered in Cave Junction, Ore., but incorporated in Delaware, was spun off in 1999 as a for-profit subsidiary of the non-profit Western Journalism Center with the backing of $4.5 million from investors. Farah and the Western Journalism Center own a majority of WND, according to Farah; the rest of the stock is owned by about 75 private investors. As of late 2001, WorldNetDaily employed 25 people. Farah says that about 80 percent of WND's revenue comes from the sale of books and videos through the site; In 2002, WND created a book publishing division in partnership with Thomas Nelson Publishers, a prominent Christian publisher; authors include Katherine Harris and Michael Savage. That partnership ended in late 2004, and WND's new book partner is Cumberland House Publishing. The company claimed in 2001 that it expected to turn a profit in 2002. WND has approximately 20 employees

http://conwebwatch.tripod.com/stories/primer.html

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Joseph Farrah, an Arab Christian, is the editor of WorldNet Daily. February 28, 2003. Joseph Farah's new book, “Taking America Back,” exposes the weaknesses in America's current system and offers practical solutions – solutions that are real and doable, solutions that can revive freedom, morality and justice in our nation.

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[NewJeffCT]

3. of course

Then, Fox will pick up one person saying it, then the Washington Times will quote another, then Fox will quote the Washington Times, as will Rush, O'Reilly, Hannity & others, then it will circulate to CNN, MSNBC and the 3 free networks.

[Pawel K]

4. The spin machine has started

we need to stop it and we need to stop it now. We can't let this go unpunished.

[onehandle]

5. They Love Ronald Reagan!

Just like Saddam Does!

Birds of a feather...

[mzmolly]

6. That means they fear the contents.

Let em keep it up.

[Pawel K]

7. They fear it greatly, look at the site

the DSM hasn't been mentioned once until they came up with that bullshit. We just have to stop the spin before it starts.

[Jack Rabbit]

8. Citing World Net Daily in order to prove the DSM are fakes . . .

. . . is like citing the ABBA Fan Club to prove that group produced great music.

The memos are authentic and they are meaningful. They demonstrate that both the Bush regime and the Blair government decided to go to war independent of facts and knew damn good and well they had no case against against Saddam, creating the need to fix facts and intelligence around the policy.

Facts were fabricated and intelligence reports dissembled in order to gain Congressional and parliamentary approval for what was really an unjustified war of aggression. That makes the policymakers war criminals.

Get over it, Freepers. They're going down.

[Karenina]

10. Indeed!

DOWNING STREET MINUTES - OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT MINUTES OF AN OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT MEETING - distributed to U.K. EYES ONLY in the form of a memorandum...

[drm604]

9. Their reasoning is contradictory.

Their reasoning is contradictory.

The blog goes on to suggest that even if the memos could be authenticated, "they're still meaningless." That they simply do not contain any smoking-gun evidence of lies by the Bush administration or the British government of Tony Blair.

They're not meaningless at all but, for the sake of argument, let's assume that they're correct and that the documents are meaningless. If they're meaningless and are not a smoking gun then why would someone forge them? I would think that if someone was going to forge something like this, the forgeries would very clearly and unambiguously show illegal actions.

[Jack Rabbit]

12. To buttress your argument, they really aren't the smoking gun

They're very, very close to being the smoking gun, but they aren't quite that. As you say, if these were made up, they would try to appear to be even more incriminating than they are.

These documents certainly show that the regime had made up its mind to go to war independent of a proper evaluation of facts, knew that the case against Saddam was "thin", suggest that the lies would center around charges that Saddam possessed banned weapons and had ties to terrorists, but they don't list what the specific lies were, how it was decided that these would be the lies or exactly what engine was used to manufacture the lies. A smoking gun would be a document detailing that in ways that the Downing Street documents released so far do not.

Much of this has been documented elsewhere. If the policymakers really had any confidence in the case they were making against Saddam, they would not have felt any need to establish something like the Office of Special Plans, whose mission, although they would never state it this way, was to dissemble intelligence reports.

There is enough evidence to bring these bastards to trial and most likely to convict them. We don't really need a smoking gun. The House Judiciary Committee in 1974 recommended three articles of impeachment against President Nixon days before the proverbial smoking gun was made public. It is also possible to successfully prosecute a murder case where the corpse has not been found.

That Bush, Blair and their aides are war criminals is now firmly established.

[da_chimperor]

11. They'd be better off saying "a little bird told me the memos are fake"

It's not like the GOP has any interest in the truth, after all.

[Moochy]

14. Scottie Only Speaks Truth!! (right?)

The White House maintains that Bush decided to invade Iraq only after Secretary of State Colin Powell made the administration's case in a lengthy presentation to the U.N. Security Council on Feb. 5, 2003. His argument focused on intelligence demonstrating that Iraq had illicit weapons. No weapons, however, have been found.

[bribri16]

15. Dems should do a "swift boat" hit about this site and render them

null and void. Include your discreditation of them in every correspondence you make to the MSM, Congress, and the public.

[Jack Rabbit]

16. Gee, and we wouldn't even have to make any of it up

. . . like the Swifties made up all of their "facts" about Kerry.